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Post by parousia70 on Sept 16, 2003 12:25:33 GMT -5
Since America and Europe are by far the largest contributer of cultural values to the world perhaps you should look and see what is going on here. This is a ridiculous argument anyway, the point is we are continuing to move towards the tribulation period and the return of Christ. This is a promise I believe God will keep. The American media giant has global influence and it carries over into other countries. The simple fact remains, and remains unaccepted by you: All non Christian Governments and powers and principalities that have risin in the History of the world have fallen, (Without Christ's physical presence BTW) and those non Christian governments, principalities and peoples in place today will fall just like their predecessors, WHILE THE CHURCH REMAINS. The Church (the very body of Christ on earth) is the force that has triumphed, is triumphing and will continue to triumph forever. I Put my faith in Christ and His body on earth, the Church, whom Christ himself promised would do greater things than even He did. Ahhh, the famous futurist mantra of "already but not yet". I've got news for you Semper, Christ is directly enforcing His will on Earth right now. Satan is in the Lake of Fire suffering eternal torment. Shortly after John predicted it would.
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 16, 2003 16:47:06 GMT -5
The simple fact remains, and remains unaccepted by you: All non Christian Governments and powers and principalities that have risin in the History of the world have fallen, (Without Christ's physical presence BTW) and those non Christian governments, principalities and peoples in place today will fall just like their predecessors, WHILE THE CHURCH REMAINS. I have never said that the Church will be destroyed or not stand up. I have said that the fallen world will continue to go downhill and evil will persist until Christ returns and destroys it. To contest this is to contest the word of God. Parousia, if you really think that this is triumph and that this is the best we have to hope for I really feel sorry for you. We are lights in a dark world that is still very much controlled by the forces of darkness. Jesus kingdom is not of this world right now, it is a spiritual kingdom but very soon he will return, destroy evil and reign gloriously. We can do great things and we will do great things. But, certain things will be allowed to persist that are beyond your control. It says in scripture that Satan will continue to thwart men until he is dealt with by Christ. This is Gods word, not mine. I would like nothing more than to see him bound and destroyed right now but the times and the dates are set by God, not me. Yes within believers but he is allowing some things to go on. Why? because he is working his plan. Why are men allowed to sin, why are men allowed to do evil. Why is Satan allowed to tempt? God could step in and stop it all right now, why doesnt he? When you figure this out you will come closer to understanding Gods plan. What? ? Yea, and I can run a mile in 2 minutes Parousia, this is a future event sir. Your timelines are so messed up you have no grasp of what is happening or what is supposed to happen.
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Post by larrygn on Dec 26, 2003 10:44:13 GMT -5
The Christain world as we know it is not only lossing ground, it is in danger of losing the New Jeruselem as well. We had best stop sitting back, and march onward as soldiers of the cross. The church no under attack, is the church apostate, the church at rest. We are to march onward as Christian soldiers, and not only keep that which have been given, and taken, but to bring freedom's Holy Light ( that is the Christ ) TO ALL NATIONS. As for being and fiting into a certain mold, those who hold certain positions many have come to them through there own study. They do not fit into a mold, since they, and I did not say, hey this is a good position, how can I defend it. We , rather, question, what is accepted, and are looking for truth, which is of the utmost importance.
It is in this vein that I say that we are half way to the end of the 1000 years of the New Jeruselem, and somewhere between 2494-2544 will end time forever for us.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by semperfidelis on Dec 27, 2003 1:23:29 GMT -5
The Christain world as we know it is not only lossing ground, it is in danger of losing the New Jeruselem as well. We had best stop sitting back, and march onward as soldiers of the cross. The church no under attack, is the church apostate, the church at rest. We are to march onward as Christian soldiers, and not only keep that which have been given, and taken, but to bring freedom's Holy Light ( that is the Christ ) TO ALL NATIONS. As for being and fiting into a certain mold, those who hold certain positions many have come to them through there own study. They do not fit into a mold, since they, and I did not say, hey this is a good position, how can I defend it. We , rather, question, what is accepted, and are looking for truth, which is of the utmost importance. It is in this vein that I say that we are half way to the end of the 1000 years of the New Jeruselem, and somewhere between 2494-2544 will end time forever for us. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry Larry, you must be a prophet because from what I understand not even the angels in Heaven know the time of the end. Only the Father knows.
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Post by larrygn on Dec 28, 2003 8:43:05 GMT -5
Semperfi: It says that we do not know exactly, not have a time frame, so one can get to a time frame with study, historical reference, and the Bible, Larry
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Post by genesda on Jan 29, 2004 11:53:23 GMT -5
The Christain world as we know it is not only lossing ground, it is in danger of losing the New Jeruselem as well. We had best stop sitting back, and march onward as soldiers of the cross. The church no under attack, is the church apostate, the church at rest. We are to march onward as Christian soldiers, and not only keep that which have been given, and taken, but to bring freedom's Holy Light ( that is the Christ ) TO ALL NATIONS. As for being and fiting into a certain mold, those who hold certain positions many have come to them through there own study. They do not fit into a mold, since they, and I did not say, hey this is a good position, how can I defend it. We , rather, question, what is accepted, and are looking for truth, which is of the utmost importance. It is in this vein that I say that we are half way to the end of the 1000 years of the New Jeruselem, and somewhere between 2494-2544 will end time forever for us. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry Larry, you're a hoot!! I hope no one takes your posts seriously though. You're way out in left field. I really don't know where you're getting this stuff from. It certainly isn't from any bible that I know of.[/color]
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Post by larrygn on Jan 29, 2004 15:59:06 GMT -5
genesda:
Well, I think I can give facts to back mine from historical reference better than you can that junk about the Rcc, and the other non-Christian stuff you are trying to expose us to in the name of truth. Maybe you should have talked with his Holiness Pope Paul VI about some of your ideas, he dealt with a lot of people in a manner that caused them to respect the church in his day. Yours in the Ever Living Christ; Larry
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Post by genesda on Jan 30, 2004 9:22:28 GMT -5
genesda: Well, I think I can give facts to back mine from historical reference better than you can that junk about the Rcc, and the other non-Christian stuff you are trying to expose us to in the name of truth. Maybe you should have talked with his Holiness Pope Paul VI about some of your ideas, he dealt with a lot of people in a manner that caused them to respect the church in his day. Yours in the Ever Living Christ; Larry I don't recall ever seeing anything from you that is proof of what you claim. By knowing what the bible does teach, it's easy to see through what you write here. Why don't you try posting the "proof" that Jesus died in 27 a.d. instead of just saying it?[/color]
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