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Post by guidemeLord on Aug 22, 2003 11:11:14 GMT -5
Thanks for your kind words. Guidme is a little mislead by some incorrect teaching I think. Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. Semper, Doody Edited by globalmoderator3 Edited per member request not to use their real name is surprisingly confident that her interpretation is Fact while mine is fiction. Are you that confident also? I wonder why the subject is so debatable if you guys have all the facts? One other question: Is this doctrine we are discussing? Hmmmm? I mean really, across the globe there are even Premillenialists that disagree amongst themselves about the events that will/have happened and yet you propose that I am in error? Hmmmm.... I guess a debate/discussion on this subject is useless if you erroneously assume that you have a FACTUAL view of eschatology. These comments border on defamation but I won't be removing them.. why? Because it tells alot more about you both as posters... I hope you enjoy your stay here on the boards. God bless.
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Post by Heart4Him on Aug 26, 2003 0:24:31 GMT -5
nevermind.
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Post by semperfidelis on Aug 26, 2003 9:53:31 GMT -5
Semper, Doody Edited by globalmoderator3 Edited per member request not to use their real name is surprisingly confident that her interpretation is Fact while mine is fiction. Are you that confident also? I wonder why the subject is so debatable if you guys have all the facts? One other question: Is this doctrine we are discussing? Hmmmm? I mean really, across the globe there are even Premillenialists that disagree amongst themselves about the events that will/have happened and yet you propose that I am in error? Hmmmm.... I guess a debate/discussion on this subject is useless if you erroneously assume that you have a FACTUAL view of eschatology. These comments border on defamation but I won't be removing them.. why? Because it tells alot more about you both as posters... I hope you enjoy your stay here on the boards. God bless. Guideme, I believe we have the correct view. Also dont worry about your comments here. We are all on this board to learn and teach when applicable. Is this doctine we are discussing? It is interpretation of scripture and prophecies in the bible... I would say doctrine is reading and then properly applying the Word of God. So I would say yes. Also in reference to your fact and fiction comments. I would not say that it is about fact and fiction, it is about the timing of events. Not all of your interpretations are wrong, some are just off the timeline according to our intepretation. If you feel strongly that you are correct then there is no reason to be upset or to feel uneasy about your position. I continue to stand firm that the Preterist interpretation of events is wrong and that the prophecies surrounding the tribulation period and the second coming of Christ are yet to come. The Dispensational Premellinnialist viewpoint makes the most sense as I apply it to my own scriptural studies. It is the clearest explanation of events based on the literal interpretation of scripture and I see no reason to view it any other way.
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Post by luvmyGod on Sept 7, 2003 17:48:29 GMT -5
Today's topic in church service was "Things to remember in the Last days. My Pastor referenced 2 Peter 3:1-9.
There were a couple of points I would like to share. I post this here because this is prophecy being fulfilled today more violently than ever. The crucifixition of Christ is the most memorable of scoffers in the past. You can take out of this post what you would like. I pray that it will provide added strength as you go forth and spread the Word.
There are three things to remember in the Last days. 1. The truth is real. 2. The truth is reliable 3. The truth is revelant
2 Peter 3:1-9 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.. 2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles. 3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, ]“Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (2 Pe 3:1-9). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.
be derisive or scornful: to express derision or scorn about somebody or something She scoffed at all our suggestions. n (plural scoffs) 1. expression of scorn: an expression of derision or scorn 2. object of scorn: somebody or something that is derided or scorned
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Four Characteristics of a scoffer 1. Scoffers do not take God seriously. The word scoffer comes from the Greek word to mock, to play like a child or port about. May God bless you with discernment in those that you are currently trying to lead to Christ. Scoffers do not ake the Godhead seriously. They joke about those that do. Can those that make a mockery out of the Godhead believe in our Savior Jesus Christ and what he did for us by his mercy and grace? 2. Scoffers treat God with comtempt-they turn their nose to God. They act as if God does not exist. Misery loves company and Satan seeks out those that he can destroy and what better way than to use those that love the Lord. 3. Scoffers ridicule the Word of God. They make fun of the Word of God as well as those that follow after His teachings and profess His name. They scorn worshippers and make a mockery of the followers lifestyle.
How many of us have experienced this type of ridicule. I personal know of at least 5 people that work for me that mock my belief in the Word of God. I listen to Christian music at work in my office. My office is decorated with spiritual pictures. This motivates me.
When I motivated my people I use the Word of God as an exampleas well as other material. I can't help but use the Word because the word is in me. My decisions, the goals that I write, the way that I do business is all in direct relation to the Word. I am in no way perfect, trust me. I do my best and I do it with the help of God.
Now I have owned this company for about 10 years. It has been in the last 2 years that I have seen a change in people. I have seen the degrading of Christians to the point of where I see christians hiding their belief.
Does anyone else see this happening in their work place or with close friends?
Satan is strong and he wants to surpress the believers so that we will not be the advocate of God to those that do not believe. Pray for strength so that we may be made strong in Him that made us. Strengthen your walk so others can not use you as an excuse. Be careful with those in whom you are trying to lead to Christ. Discern whether you are teaching a scoffer/a deceiver or someone who is serious about learning about Christ.
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Post by trentroy on Sept 8, 2003 9:40:52 GMT -5
Now I have owned this company for about 10 years. It has been in the last 2 years that I have seen a change in people. I have seen the degrading of Christians to the point of where I see christians hiding their belief. Does anyone else see this happening in their work place or with close friends? Satan is strong and he wants to surpress the believers so that we will not be the advocate of God to those that do not believe. Pray for strength so that we may be made strong in Him that made us. Strengthen your walk so others can not use you as an excuse. Be careful with those in whom you are trying to lead to Christ. Discern whether you are teaching a scoffer/a deceiver or someone who is serious about learning about Christ. I see people hiding it all the time, and there are fewer children raised christian than there once were. I also see a lot of ridicule of christians, and many are afraid of even admitting they are christian. I believe we are witnessing the "great falling away".
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Post by parousia70 on Sept 9, 2003 19:34:18 GMT -5
there are fewer children raised christian than there once were. . Please cite your evidence for this claim. Oh...also, can you clarify whether you mean there are fewer Children raised Christian "in your neighborhood" or "On the earth"? Thanx
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 9, 2003 19:45:45 GMT -5
Please cite your evidence for this claim. Parousia, from your posts it seems that you come across like you think the world is getting better or something and we are headed for a utopia. As stated clearly in scripture we are heading for at time when the Son of Perdition will rise into the world from the final empire directly before Christ returns. It is not a wonderful thing to think about but it plainly states that things will get worse before they get better. This is what is happening now, things are going downhill. Maybe not with believers but the fallen world is rotting to the core and it will continue to do until Christ returns and sets things right. This is according to his word.
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Post by parousia70 on Sept 9, 2003 21:14:01 GMT -5
Parousia, from your posts it seems that you come across like you think the world is getting better or something. The world is getting better, and it is a direct result of the unstoppable spread of Christianity, exactly as prophesied. The Bible's Man of Sin/Son of Perdition was a contemporary of Paul in the 1st century, currently alive and being restrianed during Pauls Ministry. The Last Days apostasy was indeed an ordained falling away and came to pkmtyolp in the Last days of the Old Coventant. The World of Believers is overtaking the fallen like the mustard seed becomes the Tree that overtakes the garden. The truth of the matter is that there are more Christians on earth today than there have ever been and there will be more Christians on earth tomorrow than there are today. Such is the unbroken History of the Church on earth, the Very Body of Christ Himself. This is according to his word.
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 10, 2003 11:51:55 GMT -5
I agree that the word of Christ is spreading but that does not mean the world is improving. I think if you look at the stats you will find that divorce rates are up, family values are down and their is a general decline in morals within society. Christ predicted that he was not of this world and that the world is fallen and would hate believers because of his name.
Where in the bible does it state the world will get better before the return of Christ?
Are we not approaching the time of the prophecy of the most evil ruler the world has ever known to come into power?
Your put your faith in the world when your faith should be beyond this world and in the enternal.
The Antichrist is being restrained but that does not mean that Satan is powerless. This is a prophecy of the actual physical ruler, it has nothing to do with evil being restrained.
You are again taking literal statements and twisting them into figurative statements to back up your time text interpretations.
I see this as a direct prophecy of the coming Antichrist and perhaps the rapture of the church. If you continue to read 2 thessalonians 2 you will see the obvious references to the tribulation period and the delusion that God will send to unbelievers.
9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
That is true but it does not take away from the fact that this is a fallen world and that Satan is in control of much of it. Remember the scripture I posted from Ephesians. Darkness is in control of much of this world. We are to carry on the great commission to be lights in a world of darkness.
Satans numbers are growing also. Other religions are growing at a rapid rate as is New Age spirituality and Aethiesm. Take a look at MTV tonight and let me know if kids between the ages of 5-17 should be watching it? Notice how it is has become far more provocative and liberal in what is shown.
This is just one thing. You cannot turn your TV on now without seeing a sex scene or watching Madonna and Britney Spears kiss on Television. Have you watched an episode of the Osbournes lately where they say very legible cusswords throughout the entire show. Cusswords that had it been even 10 years ago would not have been allowed.
Did you know that 3 out of 4 people in Africa have aids and Starvation in 3rd world countries is increasing. Why is that? Why is Aids more of a problem now than it was five years ago. Why does Bill Gates have 50 billion dollars and many people in other countries are starving to death.
Why are the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer? Why is there fairness and unbalance and pain and suffering?
Think about it. Its not getting better, its getting worse.
This world is on a crash course with disaster Parousia and only one thing can save it.
Jesus Christ. He will do so when he comes back and smashes the next predicted empire by Daniel and he will rule the nations with an Iron Sceptor that will usher in a period of prosperity and fairness the world has never known.
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Post by parousia70 on Sept 14, 2003 11:58:47 GMT -5
I agree that the word of Christ is spreading but that does not mean the world is improving. I think if you look at the stats you will find that divorce rates are up, family values are down and their is a general decline in morals within society. Within which society? Globally? the West? America? California? Can you prove that Globally, The Christian world is not gaining ground on the fallen? It states that the world will get better AFTER the coming of Christ, which is exactly what is happening. Hardly. My faith lies squarely in the things unseen and eternal. It would appear your faith lies in what you see in the newsparers. They will all come to nothing, just like all the other religions of history that have risin and FALLEN. Ever heard of PAX?, PBS? TBN? Just because you choose to whtch immoral TV dosen't mean I have to. Again I say "prove it". Jesus Christ has already saved the world. Your view makes His work on the cross of no effect at all. How Sad.
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 14, 2003 13:41:07 GMT -5
Within which society? Globally? the West? America? California? Can you prove that Globally, The Christian world is not gaining ground on the fallen? You are missing the point here. Your interpretation has created this reality that the world is getting better because you put most or all of the tribulation prophecies in the past. If you think the world is increasing and getting better you are not paying attention to what is going on around you. Kids are becoming more violent and are maturing at a must faster rate than ever before. Drugs are tried at an earlier age, sex is experimented with at an earlier age. Video Games and Movies are more violent. News channels run stories about tragedy 24 - 7 that we are all tuned into. Dont misunderstand me, as a believer your heart is guarded and you are protected, but that does not mean the world is getting better. Christ did not say in the bible that spreading his word would change the nature of the world or defeat evil. The prophecies are clear on what must happen to destroy evil and usher in his eternal kingdom. To deny this is to deny the promise of God. No this is wrong. Christ has not returned and is currently sitting at the right hand of the Father. The final empire predicted by Daniel and the evil one that controls it will rise as predicted before Christ returns to take the promised throne of David. This is when he will rule the nations with an Iron Sceptor. Obviously that is not in force right now. To take the viewpoint you do you disregard many scriptural promises. Untrue, my faith lies squarely on Jesus Christ and what his written word says. Your faith lies within the world, it would seem, mine does not. Your right, but only when Christ returns and smashes them down. Your correct, but you are arguing that the world is getting better. Your statement here conflicts your earlier statements about the world getting better every day. Your point here is that TV shows are getting worse but you do not have to choose to watch them. Thats true and as a believer your life is blessed and protected by Christ. It is the other people of the world that watch these shows and infects society, therefore having a very negative effect year and year. The fact that they are out there in mainstream media also presents problems for believers because some believers are tempted into watching them. Just because you choose not to watch them does not mean they do not present a Problem for what you claim. Just take a look around you man. Investigate, read books and newspapers, pray that the Holy Spirit would give you wisdom and allow you to "SEE".. Open your eyes to reality. I think the problem here is that you do not want to see it, not that you cant see it. Because if you see it and it is proven that the world is getting worse, that would mean your interpretation of coming events would be wrong. That is exactly the case to. If you think things are getting better and the prophecies are not going to be fulfilled you are incorrect. No Jesus has not saved the world - Jesus has saved those that wish to put their faith in him. I notice You get enjoyment out of twisting my words around. Nothing I have said in any way takes away from the fact that Jesus is the Lord of the Universe, he is the Most High God and he took away believers sins when he was crucified. Jesus died and took away sins but he has not taken the Davidic throne yet. He waits in Heaven at the right hand of the Father until his enemies have been made a footstool for him. He is also waiting on the nation of Israel to come to repentance and accept him. Once these things happen he will return and take the promised throne and rule the nations of the earth with an iron screptor.
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Post by parousia70 on Sept 15, 2003 13:03:50 GMT -5
If you think the world is increasing and getting better you are not paying attention to what is going on around you. Kids are becoming more violent and are maturing at a must faster rate than ever before. Drugs are tried at an earlier age, sex is experimented with at an earlier age. Video Games and Movies are more violent. News channels run stories about tragedy 24 - 7 that we are all tuned into. At what rate are all the above things happening in China, the worlds most populous country? Please provide refrences for your figures. The world is getting better and it is a direct result of the unstoppable spread of Christianity. If the world is getting worse, Please cite at what point in history the world was better than it is today. Was it better...... Last year? 10 years ago? 20? 50? 100? 500? But while I use scripture to support my stance, you are effectively using CNN as your proof that we are in the endtimes. and you claim my eyes are on the worldly? ?? What about all the false religions that arose and fell already without Christ returning physically? Remember Heavens Gate, the Branch Davidians? By your interpratation, they could not have fallen unless Christ returned physically to do them in, yet they fell anyway........ Look around at the WORLDLY THINGS for my proof? I'll leave looking to the worldly to you, I'll keep my eyes on the heavenly. The Bible teaches otherwise: Acts 2:30-32 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, F10 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 15, 2003 16:17:27 GMT -5
At what rate are all the above things happening in China, the worlds most populous country? Please provide refrences for your figures. Rate what things have happened in China, not sure I get your question here? Also, just because technological improvements are happening does not mean the world is getting better. The point is, is the world a better place in terms of what Christ says is better. Wrong. Wake up man. Have you been living in a cave or something. The world is not getting better. Believers life might be getting better but the world in general rejects Christ and many will do so until the end. It is written in scripture. [/quote]If the world is getting worse, Please cite at what point in history the world was better than it is today. Was it better...... Last year? 10 years ago? 20? 50? 100? 500?[/quote] I would say the worlds woes are compounding similar to what happens with money. Compounding interest on money is a good thing for retirement but it is a bad thing in terms of the problems we have. Society is moving a a much faster pace, I would call it a quickening, this quickening will lead us into the final days and then usher in the return of Christ, which BTW will be a very good thing. What scripture? I am the one that has been rapping off scripture through this debate. I dont believe I have seen one scripture example from you. Also, the scripture prophecies clearly show us moving into a period of great distress and the beginning of terrible birthpangs for the world before the return of Christ. Read Revelation from 6 forward, does that sound like a rosy time to you? It states that it will be part of the bith pangs that lead to his coming. Basically there will be false Christs that appear all the way up until the end. I believe it will intensify before his actual return. What? Ok you completely lost me here. The Branch Davidians have nothing to do with what we are talking about other than this was just another person claiming to follow Christ that obviously made terribly bad choices. What Proof? This world is fallen and is headed in one direction. My faith is in Christ who is the worlds only hope. BTW, if you have proof or scriptural evidence I am all ears as I have been saying over and over. [quote}The Bible teaches otherwise: Acts 2:30-32 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, F10 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.[/quote] What do you think this means? Christ sits at the right hand of the Father until his enemies are made a footstool to him and the nation of Israel repents and accepts him. Acts 3:19-21 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Heb 10:12-13 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet.
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Post by parousia70 on Sept 15, 2003 18:21:29 GMT -5
Rate what things have happened in China, not sure I get your question here? Ok, I'll help you. You claimed a handful of specific things are ocourring GLOBALLY TODAY (Kids are becoming more violent and are maturing at a must faster rate than ever before. Drugs are tried at an earlier age, sex is experimented with at an earlier age) This is a bold claim and I merely want to test your sources for it. So far you have done nothing but specualte. Lets try an example shall we? You said, as evidence that the world is getting worse, and I quote: "sex is experimented with at an earlier age" Please cite the average age that the Chinese began experimenting with sex 30 years ago, and cite the average age they begin experimenting with it today to prove your claim that this is ocourring GLOBALLY as you say. Also, just for fun, why don't you cite the average age the Romans of the 1st century began experimenting with Sex. By your definition, they must have been a far more moral society than ours, for your officilal claim is that todays is worse. We [the Church] are to subdue kingdoms and establish righteousness as the Hebrews 11 heroes did: Hebrews 11:6, 32-33 for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him...for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lionsThe Christian Church walks in this great heritage of unstoppable faith just like our Hebrews 11 brothers and sisters. We are in process of subduing kingdoms, establishing righteousness, and asserting Christ's dominion over all nations through the same faith of David, Samuel, Joshua, and Moses had. Nothing can stop us (Matthew 16:18-19). Society is being redeemed by the Atonement of Christ's blood and the power of the Holy Spirit via the Church. Christ's Church is carrying out the reconciliation of the Cross to all nations and we cannot fail (Matt 16:18-19): 2 Corinthians 5:18-20 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, not imputing their trespkmtyolpes unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ampkmtyolbadors for Christ, as God did beseech you by usSo we can see that at this time God, through the Church, is reconciling all the world unto himself, and it is Christ in us that will turn the world around, as the scripture states: Acts 17:6 These [the Christians] that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;
1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them [past tense]: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 2:13 ye have overcome the wicked one.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith Jesus Christ already has control over the whole earth and is carrying out his will and dominion through the expanse of His Church: Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
1 Peter 3:21-22 Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, AFTER angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.We have now established Christ's current rule and reign as the ruler over all the kings of the earth. It means what it says. Acts 2:30-32 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throneThis is the Promise of God to "raise up" Christ to occupy the throne of David. And this is the Fulfillment of this "Raising up": 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.The Promise: "God will raise up" The Fulfillment: "God hath raised up" Christ resides on the throne of David today, as plainly recorded for us in the pages of Scripture itself.
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 15, 2003 19:03:45 GMT -5
This is a bold claim and I merely want to test your sources for it. So far you have done nothing but specualte. Lets try an example shall we? You said, as evidence that the world is getting worse, and I quote: "sex is experimented with at an earlier age" Please cite the average age that the Chinese began experimenting with sex 30 years ago, and cite the average age they begin experimenting with it today to prove your claim that this is ocourring GLOBALLY as you say. Since America and Europe are by far the largest contributer of cultural values to the world perhaps you should look and see what is going on here. This is a ridiculous argument anyway, the point is we are continuing to move towards the tribulation period and the return of Christ. This is a promise I believe God will keep. The American media giant has global influence and it carries over into other countries. Your are completely taking this point off track. I would not expect any less from you. We are in agreement that the Church will never be destroyed. However, this does not mean that Christ does not need to return or change the future prophecies. Christ and the Church are continuing to convert the nations to him, but again, this does not change the fact that he will not come back and rule the nations. Parousia, the world will not turn around. It is not predicted to turn around. The predictions are clear. Christ will set at the right hand of the father until he then comes back to take the throne of David and smash the final empire to the ground. When he does he will rule with an iron sceptor. We will do great things in the name of Christ but the throne of David is for Christ and Christ alone. You put your faith in man and I put my faith in Jesus ChristHeb 10:12-13 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. 44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands-a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. You deny the promise of the second coming of Christ! [/color] We can see the waiting period and the promise of his coming after certain things have taken place. Matt 25:31 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:Notice that he says that he will not sit on the throne of his glory until he comes back with the holy angels.
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