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Post by AlphaOmega on Aug 20, 2004 6:51:07 GMT -5
Protestant,
Sometimes changing the subject can be like a breath of fresh air. It blows the cobwebs away.....
Christian.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Aug 20, 2004 8:35:29 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah... Self-Important noisemaking We follow as the discussion leads, and not as some people would like to dictate.
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Post by LauraJean on Aug 20, 2004 8:56:30 GMT -5
Instead of hijacking this thread like you are all doing why dont you make your own thread. Stick to the subject. You mean there's more to the "You're all going to Hell because you go to church on Sunday" elucidation? Who knew?? Peace, LJ
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Post by ChristianBizMan on Aug 28, 2004 22:51:01 GMT -5
Good Golly, Pro!
I've actually had a life for several months and you're still babbling your SDA agenda?
Colossians 2 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[1] 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
You can celebrate the Sabbath and any festival you want. Some of the festivals sound like a hoot!
But don't tell me I'm going to hell if I don't. Jesus saved me. Period. Exclamation point!
Signed with love,
You'll remember......
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Post by Protestant on Aug 28, 2004 23:43:30 GMT -5
Good Golly, Pro! I've actually had a life for several months and you're still babbling your SDA agenda? Colossians 2 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[1] 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. You can celebrate the Sabbath and any festival you want. Some of the festivals sound like a hoot! But don't tell me I'm going to hell if I don't. Jesus saved me. Period. Exclamation point! Signed with love, You'll remember...... Never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people on these message boards come out with these comments and then sign it with "Love" or "blessings" or some other dopey comment in an attempt to counteract their attacks. I have seen your misquote before. The fact is the 7th day sabbath is not a shadow of anything. It is a memorial of creation made before sin entered the world. You have no idea of what salvation is. The first new covenant promise is to make us commandment keepers. All who get the mark you are going to hell. Sunday sacredness is the mark as far as i can see. I do not babble any SDA agenda. I just post the way i understand the scripture. I dont know who you are, i dont remember! If you think that i am wrong then show me what the mark is.
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Post by LauraJean on Aug 29, 2004 10:43:26 GMT -5
I have seen your misquote before. The fact is the 7th day sabbath is not a shadow of anything. It is a memorial of creation made before sin entered the world. I'm not sure what misquote you are referring to. I have to say that I can find nothing in the text, the context, or elsewhere in scripture to support your opinion that Saturday Sabbath was excepted in the pkmtyolpage from Colossians 2. Can you help with this? Thanks! Blessings, LJ
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Post by TarueBeliever on Aug 29, 2004 11:38:44 GMT -5
The fact is the 7th day sabbath is not a shadow of anything. It is a memorial of creation made before sin entered the world. wăyebārĕkhe 'ĕlōhĭym 'ĕth-yōwm hăsh·shebĭy'ĭy wăyeqădēsh 'ōthōw kĭy bōw shābăth mĭkāl-melă'khetōw 'ăshĕr-bārā' 'ĕlōhĭym lă'ăsōwthGenesis 2:3 transliterated from the Masoretic Text Translated word for word ...wăyebārĕkhe [bārăkh e] and-he-praised'ĕlōhĭym [' ĕlōhĭym] God'ĕth-yōwm [yōwm] dayhăsh·shebĭy'ĭy [sh ebĭy'ĭy] the-seventhwăyeqădēsh [qā dăsh] and-he-set-apart'ōthōw [ōw] itkĭy [kĭy] becausebōw [ōw] in-itshābăth [shābăth] he-rested/ceasedmĭkāl-melă'khetōw [melă'kh e] from-all-his-work'ăshĕr-bārā' [bārā'] that-he-created'ĕlōhĭym ['ĕlōhĭym] Godlă'ăsōwth ['āsāh] to-make/doMy humble attempt at a translation put together ...And God praised the seventh day and He set it apart because in it God rested/ceased from all His work that He had created and had to make/do.There's not a single bit about the seventh day being a "memorial" here. God didn't make the Sabbath Day a memorial until He told the people of Israel ...8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.I've heard the argument that God wouldn't have waited 2500 years to reveal the Sabbath to his people. That's a hollow argument. He waited thousands of years to reveal the various parts of prohpecy. He waited 4000 years from mankind's fall to the most important event of history, the coming of the Savior. Even now, SDAs claim He waited until the second half of the nineteenth century to send another prophet with additional "light."
The fact of the matter is that there is no Biblical evidence that God told anyone about the Sabbath until He told the Israelites about it after He brought them out of Egypt.
TB
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Post by RealistState on Aug 29, 2004 11:42:39 GMT -5
Hello Protestant! It's been quite some time since we've had any exchanges on these boards. Never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people on these message boards come out with these comments and then sign it with "Love" or "blessings" or some other dopey comment in an attempt to counteract their attacks. I can understand your frustration, but ad hominem attacks on peoples intelligence certainly does nothing to further your cause or the message of Christianity. Are you sure you mean misquote or do you mean a misapplication of Scripture. And yet, it appears that with the exception of the SDA (I could be wrong), all other Christians appear to follow the literal Scriptural interpreptation of the mark appearing on the right hand or the forehead. It appears they've only posted once. So either they posted under another name, or they just are familiar with your postings. May the Peace of the Lord be with you.
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Post by TarueBeliever on Aug 29, 2004 15:08:22 GMT -5
I'm quite sure that the "prophet" of the SDA Church had an imperfect understanding about "the seal of God." She wrote ...
Not one of us will ever receive the seal of God while our characters have one spot or stain upon them. It is left with us to remedy the defects in our characters, to cleanse the soul temple of every defilement. Then the latter rain will fall upon us as the early rain fell upon the disciples ... Now is the time to prepare. The seal of God will never be placed upon the forehead of an impure man or woman. It will never be placed upon the forehead of the ambitious, world-loving man or woman. It will never be placed upon the forehead of men or women of false tongues or deceitful hearts. All who receive the seal must be without spot before God--candidates for heaven. Ellen G. White, Maranatha; The Lord Is Coming, p. 240.
So, from EGW, we're to understand that until we're perfect, we cannot be sealed; However, in the Scriptures, we read ...
17 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; 19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. 20 But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. 25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another. 26 BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity. 28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. 29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. 30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:17-32 NASB
Note that Paul is advising Christians to change their ways, not to continue in their old ways. He is doing this after they were sealed by the Holy Spirit (see verse 30). Christains aren't sealed only after reaching perfection -- without stain, completely pure. We're sealed when we first believe ...
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, ... Ephesians 1:13 NASB
EGW teachings about the seal of God are in error.
TB
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Post by RealistState on Aug 29, 2004 21:53:24 GMT -5
I found an interesting article regarding whether the 7th day sabbath is a sign or a seal. This is an excerpt: The word seal found in Daniel 12:4; 1 Kings.21:8 in the Strong’s Concordance :2856 chatham ; a primitive root; to close up; especially to seal: KJV-make an end, mark, seal (up), stop. Nowhere is the word seal used for the Sabbath.
Sign is used for the Sabbath in Ez.20:12, 20, 31:13,17 In Strong’s Concordance it is a completely different word.#226 'owth (oth); probably from OT:225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc. Ex 12:13: “The blood will be a sign (oth) for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pkmtyolp over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.”(also Ex.13:9)
Besides these being different words the use of these words are different also. The word sign is used between God and the Israelites, the nation of Israel not the church. He never delivered the Church out of Egypt.
The rest of the article is found here: www.letusreason.org/7thAd28.htm
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