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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 8:37:57 GMT -5
Hi Philip - within the Rcc you do have to be an Rcc to receive the Eucharist. Besides the basics of being clean of heart and free from sin at the time, you are also the fully believe that you ARE receiving Christ and it's not just symbolic. HOWEVER, i, a devoted Roman Catholic Christian, am ashamed to admit, that from what I've been told, 70% of Rcc don't understand, yet alone believe. God Bless, Marysia Marysia, I think for many people being Catholic is more of a cultural thing than spiritual. Like the folks who only go to pkmtyolm on Easter or Christmas Eve. I have even met a few who call themselves Catholic and don't know what Holy Communion is at all. "What's that?" Even though Baptismal promises are renewed many people do not let them sink in, just mouth the words. Another problem is that adult religious education or formation is not a priority for many people. So there are Catholics in name only. unfortunately, I have to agree. One of the things that changed with JP2 for which I'm truly thankful -- the opening of the Rcc to questions - to being able to really ask and learn. Our churches here have bible studies and a variety of other "empowering by the Word" type of things going on daily.
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 8:49:01 GMT -5
[ Marysia, So you have decided that whatever God revealed to Mr. Benny Hinn about the days leading up to the rapture of His people and what will happen to the Papacy is amusing? I offered to share it with you and you declined, remember? Are you afraid? And like it or not the RCC is false, therefore the visions received by its members have to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, especially when you have demonic spirits impersonating "Mary". Pope John Paul II was used by Satan to unite all the members of all the Christian denominations who are not true Christians, the aim being to portray the Roman Catholic Church as being the one, true, "Holy" Roman Catholic (universal) Church. And let's not forget that during the Reformation the RCC burned at the stake anyone who opposed it's claim to be the true Christian Church. And there's the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. God Bless, Andy. andy, i'm trying to remain Christian here but when you take the Nicene creed and misrepresent it - you are speaking falsehoods and that is wrong - point blank. I find your comment about JP2 and satan vile, disgusting and completely uninformed and childish. I am appalled that you are calling myself and other practicing Rcc not "true Christians". I have tried to listen to Mr Hinn and have not been impressed or moved. I do not need your link as I have my own and it's not necessary. We are told not to bear false witness - you're judging: all Rcc as not real Christians, the teachings of the Rcc and the visions of Mary - is what scares me. We are told in 1 John 4:2-3 we are told that any spirit that confess that Jesus is come in the flesh IS of God. When a vision of Mary comes that tells people to pray to "her" or someone other than Christ - then I might be open to listen to the comments you speak. However, as that is not the case, I leave the point moot. I will not debate the visions or other point with you as they have been exhausted on previous threads. God BLess, marysia
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Post by christian on Sept 12, 2005 10:01:52 GMT -5
[ Marysia, So you have decided that whatever God revealed to Mr. Benny Hinn about the days leading up to the rapture of His people and what will happen to the Papacy is amusing? I offered to share it with you and you declined, remember? Are you afraid? And like it or not the RCC is false, therefore the visions received by its members have to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, especially when you have demonic spirits impersonating "Mary". Pope John Paul II was used by Satan to unite all the members of all the Christian denominations who are not true Christians, the aim being to portray the Roman Catholic Church as being the one, true, "Holy" Roman Catholic (universal) Church. And let's not forget that during the Reformation the RCC burned at the stake anyone who opposed it's claim to be the true Christian Church. And there's the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. God Bless, Andy. andy, i'm trying to remain Christian here but when you take the Nicene creed and misrepresent it - you are speaking falsehoods and that is wrong - point blank. I find your comment about JP2 and satan vile, disgusting and completely uninformed and childish. I am appalled that you are calling myself and other practicing Rcc not "true Christians". I have tried to listen to Mr Hinn and have not been impressed or moved. I do not need your link as I have my own and it's not necessary. We are told not to bear false witness - you're judging: all Rcc as not real Christians, the teachings of the Rcc and the visions of Mary - is what scares me. We are told in 1 John 4:2-3 we are told that any spirit that confess that Jesus is come in the flesh IS of God. When a vision of Mary comes that tells people to pray to "her" or someone other than Christ - then I might be open to listen to the comments you speak. However, as that is not the case, I leave the point moot. I will not debate the visions or other point with you as they have been exhausted on previous threads. God BLess, marysia Wow! Can you disprove the fact that the Papacy is one of Satan's instruments? Here's another link: www.remnantofgod.org/godmary.htmGod Bless, Andy.
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Post by christian on Sept 12, 2005 10:34:03 GMT -5
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Post by babysis on Sept 12, 2005 12:17:56 GMT -5
And who are you to doubt the salvation of another man? Andy, you really make me sad. Hi Babysis -- i think the difference is the usage of the words - saved and salvation. While JP2 does credit Mary with saving his life - mortally at the time of the gun shot - his life was Saved by Christ. semantics That's not what I was talking about. You were doubting his having the Holy Spirit.
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 14:25:16 GMT -5
Hi Babysis -- i think the difference is the usage of the words - saved and salvation. While JP2 does credit Mary with saving his life - mortally at the time of the gun shot - his life was Saved by Christ. semantics That's not what I was talking about. You were doubting his having the Holy Spirit. Hi Babysis, i'm "assuming" you were challenging Andy's doubting JP2's having the Holy Spirit?! I was merely pointing out as you asked about JP2 and the "Mary save me" comment that andy made. While it's true he did some something along those lines, it was not that Mary was his Saviour, he knows that's the job of Jesus. that's all.
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 15:39:30 GMT -5
Wow! Can you disprove the fact that the Papacy is one of Satan's instruments? God Bless, Andy. andy, i am going to conclude this monologue for apparently, you feel compelled only to speak your own thoughts and not actually listen or hear what i am saying. there are a number of threads in which myself and many others have discussed the fact that Rcc do not worship Mary in and of herself, rather only venerate her becuase of WHO she is / WHAT she did - she is the one choosen by God to be the Mother of His only Son, our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. She is the woman who God choose above all others. She was not just some "petri dish" rather the one that nurtured, nursed, taught and raised Jesus. God choose Mary for a reason - while the exact reason will not be known to us until we die - I can only know the relationship I have with my mom. Christ will not come visiblaly to this earth until His Second Coming. I do not believe that God cares so little for us that He will not do things to the extreme - like sending His people amongst us - Mary included. If she were to speak of worshiping her over her Son, then it would be vile, however this is not the case. If you were a doctor or plumber, your mother would try to move mountians for you to succeed. Can you imagine the pride and love that Mary has for her Son?! Would a mother not try eerything within her power to let everyone know and love her Son? Does God not have to power to let her do that?! Most people, when they are in "trouble" go to their mothers first.... You take the phrases on that site out of context - just as you say others do with scripture - using only bits and pieces where it suits them. In regards to the Totus Tuus -- yes, this was his "slogan" - however the Mary part was nowhere on any of the area that held that slogan either in Rome or in Poland. Maybe one day you will actually quite listening only to those who's thoughts fit your own design. maybe one day you will experience for yourslef, instead of listening to a Christian friend of a friend - we all know what happens when stories are pkmtyolped along. maybe one day you will understand the mystery of "mothers" - through your wife, your daughter, your own mother - it's not something you can understand until you're open to the experience. maybe one day you'll understand that God can do anything. maybe one day you'll actually listen and hear what your Christian brethern are saying - even when they are Rcc. maybe one day you'll understand that when you post links to obviously anti Rcc sites who twist information, it only shows lack of knowledge, not serious debate. maybe one day and I hope sooner than later, you understand that you are neither my judge, nor my jury, only the Lord God knows my heart, my love for He, His Son, His Spirit and yes, His mother & earthly father. May God bless you, Marysia
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Post by babysis on Sept 12, 2005 18:22:24 GMT -5
That's not what I was talking about. You were doubting his having the Holy Spirit. Hi Babysis, i'm "assuming" you were challenging Andy's doubting JP2's having the Holy Spirit?! I was merely pointing out as you asked about JP2 and the "Mary save me" comment that andy made. While it's true he did some something along those lines, it was not that Mary was his Saviour, he knows that's the job of Jesus. that's all. Sorry, quoted the wrong person.
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Post by babysis on Sept 12, 2005 18:23:03 GMT -5
Maybe I didn't... I'm confused. LOL
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Post by christian on Sept 13, 2005 6:38:43 GMT -5
Wow! Can you disprove the fact that the Papacy is one of Satan's instruments? God Bless, Andy. andy, i am going to conclude this monologue for apparently, you feel compelled only to speak your own thoughts and not actually listen or hear what i am saying. there are a number of threads in which myself and many others have discussed the fact that Rcc do not worship Mary in and of herself, rather only venerate her becuase of WHO she is / WHAT she did - she is the one choosen by God to be the Mother of His only Son, our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. She is the woman who God choose above all others. She was not just some "petri dish" rather the one that nurtured, nursed, taught and raised Jesus. God choose Mary for a reason - while the exact reason will not be known to us until we die - I can only know the relationship I have with my mom. Christ will not come visiblaly to this earth until His Second Coming. I do not believe that God cares so little for us that He will not do things to the extreme - like sending His people amongst us - Mary included. If she were to speak of worshiping her over her Son, then it would be vile, however this is not the case. If you were a doctor or plumber, your mother would try to move mountians for you to succeed. Can you imagine the pride and love that Mary has for her Son?! Would a mother not try eerything within her power to let everyone know and love her Son? Does God not have to power to let her do that?! Most people, when they are in "trouble" go to their mothers first.... You take the phrases on that site out of context - just as you say others do with scripture - using only bits and pieces where it suits them. In regards to the Totus Tuus -- yes, this was his "slogan" - however the Mary part was nowhere on any of the area that held that slogan either in Rome or in Poland. Maybe one day you will actually quite listening only to those who's thoughts fit your own design. maybe one day you will experience for yourslef, instead of listening to a Christian friend of a friend - we all know what happens when stories are pkmtyolped along. maybe one day you will understand the mystery of "mothers" - through your wife, your daughter, your own mother - it's not something you can understand until you're open to the experience. maybe one day you'll understand that God can do anything. maybe one day you'll actually listen and hear what your Christian brethern are saying - even when they are Rcc. maybe one day you'll understand that when you post links to obviously anti Rcc sites who twist information, it only shows lack of knowledge, not serious debate. maybe one day and I hope sooner than later, you understand that you are neither my judge, nor my jury, only the Lord God knows my heart, my love for He, His Son, His Spirit and yes, His mother & earthly father. May God bless you, Marysia Marysia, I trust the Lord will one day open your eyes to the truth about the RCC, the Vatican and Papacy. I do not hate Catholics, but I do hate the system and its lies. And church politics has nothing to do with my choice of links. I don't understand why Pope John Paul II thanked Mary for saving his life, but she had nothing to do with it. It was stated in his obituary that he went on a pilgrimage as his way of thanking her. Sounds to me like he was worshipping her. She wouldn't have known anything about it because she's long departed from this life. The departed saints don't pray to God for us and they can't save us if we pray to them. Only our Lord Jesus Christ and His angels can save us. And don't you know that it's wrong to talk to the dead?: Deuteronomy 18:10-12 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
God Bless, Andy.
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Post by marysia on Sept 13, 2005 11:39:45 GMT -5
1 John 1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; becasue many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flech is not of God: and this is the sporit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; even now already is it in the world.
Rev 22:17 and the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hereth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come, And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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Post by christian on Sept 14, 2005 7:05:36 GMT -5
1 John 1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; becasue many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flech is not of God: and this is the sporit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; even now already is it in the world. Rev 22:17 and the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hereth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come, And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. So what are you trying to say?
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Post by marysia on Sept 14, 2005 11:26:49 GMT -5
i've said what i've said. those Scripture are for you and your interprutation. I know what they mean to me.
God Bless, Mary
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Post by christian on Sept 15, 2005 11:35:59 GMT -5
I understand the pkmtyolpages, but am a little confused about why you posted them.
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Post by marysia on Sept 15, 2005 14:24:58 GMT -5
I understand the pkmtyolpages, but am a little confused about why you posted them. then that is where we differ - amazingly moreso than i thought. you can quote that God can not send and yet, in Scriptures they talk of spirits some of God and some not. God does send spirits to help, prod, promote - whatnot and as long as they are speaking of God, of Christ - they are "of God" as we are told. to me God's "bride" would be Mary. a bride is female and in Godly mannerism's only a bride (which in turn is a wife) would be able to bear a child. Since Mary bore God's Child, Jesus, i would see her symbolically as His bride.
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