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Post by christian on Sept 8, 2005 10:22:39 GMT -5
BTW, I'm pleased to hear that many Catholics are giving their lives to the Lord Jesus Christ, and I look forward to the day when God tells them all to leave the RCC. That has to happen. Giving one's life to the Lord Jesus Christ is now and has always been a requirement for full communion in the Catholic Church. That bit about Mary being co-Redeemer is very out of context and highly misunderstood. Anti-Catholics have a field day trying to make a case for idolatry when the fact is that Catholic doctrine admits to only one God in three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And only one redeemer, Jesus the Christ. I think some non-Catholics feel threatened by the fullness and richness of the Catholic faith and therefore persecute it to validate their own need feel right outside of it. I am offended by your unchristian Catholic bashing. Pete, First of all, welcome to these boards. I have a friend who was a Catholic. She is now a fully committed, "born-again" Christian who was told by God to leave the Roman Catholic Church. She is well aware of the fact that the RCC is not truly Christian. And I don't accept that you have to give your life to Jesus Christ before taking Catholic Communion. You just need to be a good Catholic, that's all. And I'm not taking back what I've already said. God Bless, Andy.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 8, 2005 12:45:40 GMT -5
Giving one's life to the Lord Jesus Christ is now and has always been a requirement for full communion in the Catholic Church. That bit about Mary being co-Redeemer is very out of context and highly misunderstood. Anti-Catholics have a field day trying to make a case for idolatry when the fact is that Catholic doctrine admits to only one God in three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And only one redeemer, Jesus the Christ. I think some non-Catholics feel threatened by the fullness and richness of the Catholic faith and therefore persecute it to validate their own need feel right outside of it. I am offended by your unchristian Catholic bashing. Pete, First of all, welcome to these boards. I have a friend who was a Catholic. She is now a fully committed, "born-again" Christian who was told by God to leave the Roman Catholic Church. She is well aware of the fact that the RCC is not truly Christian. And I don't accept that you have to give your life to Jesus Christ before taking Catholic Communion. You just need to be a good Catholic, that's all. And I'm not taking back what I've already said. God Bless, Andy. Well, technically, you don't have to be a Christian to take communion in any denomination. You just have to follow that particular denomination's rules. How are they different?
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Post by marysia on Sept 9, 2005 8:22:52 GMT -5
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Mr. Benny Hinn is being powerfully used by God. He was apparently going to Jerusalem when God told him to go back home and pray for 3 days, and he was told not to answer any phone calls or answer the door. He was given a vision of what was going to happen in the remaining years before the Lord returns. God told him to only share it with Christian leaders, as it's very deep and would disturb new Christians. Mr. Hinn has met Pope John Paul II, something that I imagine no die-hard Protestant or Seventh Day Adventist would have dreamt of doing. [/quote]
i find it quite amusing that when "prophets" of other denominations "hear from God" it's "real" yet when prophets of the Rcc do - it's false! Sister Faustina also heard from God. She was never to tell anyone, only promote something very special - Divine Mercy. The Divine Mercy of our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. For years, many were devout and yet many skeptical until JP2 confirmed. You see, until her death, she only promoted the Divine Mercy - never ran around up hill and dale telling people -- I spoke with God. Those are the "prophets" that cause me pause. So what amuses me is that - visions from God - when they are within the Rcc are falsehoods.
I also chuckled about your explaination that no other Prot or SDA would meet with JP2 - like Mr Hinn was doing something extra-ordinary. It was a nice outreaching, but where is your amazement and joy at the fact that JP2 was the biggest promoter of conjoining Christain religions - well before the visit of Mr Hinn.
God Bless, Marysia
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Post by marysia on Sept 9, 2005 8:25:25 GMT -5
Well, technically, you don't have to be a Christian to take communion in any denomination. You just have to follow that particular denomination's rules. How are they different? Hi Philip - within the Rcc you do have to be an Rcc to receive the Eucharist. Besides the basics of being clean of heart and free from sin at the time, you are also the fully believe that you ARE receiving Christ and it's not just symbolic. HOWEVER, i, a devouted Roman Catholic Christian, am ashamed to admit, that from what i've been told, 70% of Rcc don't understand, yet alone believe. God Bless, Marysia
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Post by Pietro on Sept 9, 2005 8:56:19 GMT -5
Pete, First of all, welcome to these boards. I have a friend who was a Catholic. She is now a fully committed, "born-again" Christian who was told by God to leave the Roman Catholic Church. She is well aware of the fact that the RCC is not truly Christian. And I don't accept that you have to give your life to Jesus Christ before taking Catholic Communion. You just need to be a good Catholic, that's all. And I'm not taking back what I've already said. God Bless, Andy. Well, technically, you don't have to be a Christian to take communion in any denomination. You just have to follow that particular denomination's rules. How are they different? Pete=Pietro. I had to open a new registration. I will limit my responses to anyone who say, "RCC is not truly Christian." I have encountered this kind of spiritual arrogance and bigotry before and know it is futile to debate. All Catholics must make the Baptismal promises involving giving your life to Jesus but only God know who really keeps them.
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Post by christian on Sept 10, 2005 6:44:45 GMT -5
[ Mr. Benny Hinn is being powerfully used by God. He was apparently going to Jerusalem when God told him to go back home and pray for 3 days, and he was told not to answer any phone calls or answer the door. He was given a vision of what was going to happen in the remaining years before the Lord returns. God told him to only share it with Christian leaders, as it's very deep and would disturb new Christians. Mr. Hinn has met Pope John Paul II, something that I imagine no die-hard Protestant or Seventh Day Adventist would have dreamt of doing. i find it quite amusing that when "prophets" of other denominations "hear from God" it's "real" yet when prophets of the Rcc do - it's false! Sister Faustina also heard from God. She was never to tell anyone, only promote something very special - Divine Mercy. The Divine Mercy of our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. For years, many were devout and yet many skeptical until JP2 confirmed. You see, until her death, she only promoted the Divine Mercy - never ran around up hill and dale telling people -- I spoke with God. Those are the "prophets" that cause me pause. So what amuses me is that - visions from God - when they are within the Rcc are falsehoods. I also chuckled about your explaination that no other Prot or SDA would meet with JP2 - like Mr Hinn was doing something extra-ordinary. It was a nice outreaching, but where is your amazement and joy at the fact that JP2 was the biggest promoter of conjoining Christain religions - well before the visit of Mr Hinn. God Bless, Marysia[/quote] Marysia, So you have decided that whatever God revealed to Mr. Benny Hinn about the days leading up to the rapture of His people and what will happen to the Papacy is amusing? I offered to share it with you and you declined, remember? Are you afraid? And like it or not the RCC is false, therefore the visions received by its members have to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, especially when you have demonic spirits impersonating "Mary". Pope John Paul II was used by Satan to unite all the members of all the Christian denominations who are not true Christians, the aim being to portray the Roman Catholic Church as being the one, true, "Holy" Roman Catholic (universal) Church. And let's not forget that during the Reformation the RCC burned at the stake anyone who opposed it's claim to be the true Christian Church. And there's the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. God Bless, Andy.
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Post by Pietro on Sept 10, 2005 9:23:28 GMT -5
Hi Philip - within the Rcc you do have to be an Rcc to receive the Eucharist. Besides the basics of being clean of heart and free from sin at the time, you are also the fully believe that you ARE receiving Christ and it's not just symbolic. HOWEVER, i, a devoted Roman Catholic Christian, am ashamed to admit, that from what I've been told, 70% of Rcc don't understand, yet alone believe. God Bless, Marysia Marysia, I think for many people being Catholic is more of a cultural thing than spiritual. Like the folks who only go to pkmtyolm on Easter or Christmas Eve. I have even met a few who call themselves Catholic and don't know what Holy Communion is at all. "What's that?" Even though Baptismal promises are renewed many people do not let them sink in, just mouth the words. Another problem is that adult religious education or formation is not a priority for many people. So there are Catholics in name only.
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Post by christian on Sept 11, 2005 7:55:23 GMT -5
One question for you Catholics out there to answer: If Roman Catholicism is truly Christian, then why did Pope John Paul II thank Mary for saving him from death by an aspkmtyolsin's bullet? Surely he should have thanked the Lord our God and Him only?
I make this point because it is written:
1 Timothy 2:5-6 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
God Bless, Andy.
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Post by babysis on Sept 11, 2005 19:08:45 GMT -5
I've never heard of the pope thanking mary for saving him.... got a link? Or is this another heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend thing?
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 11, 2005 20:26:07 GMT -5
I've never heard of the pope thanking mary for saving him.... got a link? Or is this another heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend thing? Eh, you know Andy, he would prefer to stick to rummors and gossip instead of actual facts.
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Post by christian on Sept 12, 2005 6:28:12 GMT -5
I've never heard of the pope thanking mary for saving him.... got a link? Or is this another heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend thing? It was mentioned in his obituary in one of the newspapers here, and wasn't mentioned by a friend. I'd also heard about it elsewhere. And since it was confirmed, and my formerly Catholic friend told me that Catholics worship Mary, and she had to say sorry to God for her involvement in the RCC, I'm comfortable with what I've said. Links? I'll see if I can find one, though why links on the Web should necessarily be any more reliable than a friend, or a friend of a friend, or a newspaper, is beyond me. The interesting thing about Pope John Paul II was that he was respected by the world's secular media, and many in the Protestant Church and other denominations. Did he have the Holy Spirit? I doubt it. Did he have a religious spirit? Certainly. Was he a good man? I think so. God Bless, Andy.
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Post by babysis on Sept 12, 2005 6:35:50 GMT -5
I've never heard of the pope thanking mary for saving him.... got a link? Or is this another heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend thing? It was mentioned in his obituary in one of the newspapers here, and wasn't mentioned by a friend. I'd also heard about it elsewhere. And since it was confirmed, and my formerly Catholic friend told me that Catholics worship Mary, and she had to say sorry to God for her involvement in the RCC, I'm comfortable with what I've said. Links? I'll see if I can find one, though why links on the Web should necessarily be any more reliable than a friend, or a friend of a friend, or a newspaper, is beyond me. The interesting thing about Pope John Paul II was that he was respected by the world's secular media, and many in the Protestant Church and other denominations. Did he have the Holy Spirit? I doubt it. Did he have a religious spirit? Certainly. Was he a good man? I think so. God Bless, Andy. Because depending on the link you provide it would be researched and reliable. You would have to find a credible website though to link to. And who are you to doubt the salvation of another man? Andy, you really make me sad.
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Post by christian on Sept 12, 2005 8:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 8:33:52 GMT -5
I've never heard of the pope thanking mary for saving him.... got a link? Or is this another heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend thing? actually, no he did say that he's owed it to Mary. some who were very close to him persoanlly have said that Mary was sent to protect him from the bullet so that he could continue to foster the relationships within the Christian denominations and with the youth. However, to Andy.... you can bastardize this all you want - a true Christian within the Rcc knows that Mary is only a vessel for God. She was God's gift to women, mothers, families. However, without God & Jesus she is nothing.
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 8:36:08 GMT -5
And who are you to doubt the salvation of another man? Andy, you really make me sad. Hi Babysis -- i think the difference is the usage of the words - saved and salvation. While JP2 does credit Mary with saving his life - mortally at the time of the gun shot - his life was Saved by Christ. semantics
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