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Post by donkeydude on Mar 19, 2005 16:09:15 GMT -5
DD, just wondering if you can tellme something? What is it like knowing that you condone something that God Himself hates? you amuse me
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Post by beth on Mar 19, 2005 16:26:04 GMT -5
Do I now? What is so amusing about me? I wonder at any person who acts a fool. Sorry but idiotic people fascinate me. That I wonder at your ability to thumb your nose at God? You support of the murder of innocents, the shedding of innocent blood that God Himself said he hated. Does my honest simple question amuse you? Or did it disturb you? Either way, answer it. What does it feel like to condone something that God hates? I would ask the same question of satan if I could.
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Post by babysis on Mar 19, 2005 17:44:52 GMT -5
beth, you could get your same point across without flinging around "names" like fool and idiotic people. Whether directed at DD or not, the point can be made without the insulting words.
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Post by donkeydude on Mar 19, 2005 22:50:49 GMT -5
Do I now? What is so amusing about me? I wonder at any person who acts a fool. Sorry but idiotic people fascinate me. That I wonder at your ability to thumb your nose at God? You support of the murder of innocents, the shedding of innocent blood that God Himself said he hated. Does my honest simple question amuse you? Or did it disturb you? Either way, answer it. What does it feel like to condone something that God hates? I would ask the same question of satan if I could. I don't see it that way. I condone nothing but choice, free will. If abortion is limited it opens the door to limiting others things that people find immoral based on religion. My faith is my own I won't force it on others.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Mar 20, 2005 16:04:45 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. I condone nothing but choice, free will. If abortion is limited it opens the door to limiting others things that people find immoral based on religion. My faith is my own I won't force it on others. So then we should not legislate murder? We should not legislate theft? We should not have any laws at all? After all, the base of all laws have some kind of religious background. Everyone does have to choice to do whatever that comes to their mind, however that choice is not ever free from consequences, whether legal or otherwise.
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Post by donkeydude on Mar 20, 2005 17:50:26 GMT -5
So then we should not legislate murder? We should not legislate theft? We should not have any laws at all? After all, the base of all laws have some kind of religious background. Everyone does have to choice to do whatever that comes to their mind, however that choice is not ever free from consequences, whether legal or otherwise. same old worn out defense to a never ending argument...
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Post by christian on Mar 22, 2005 10:54:29 GMT -5
donkeydude,
Would you prefer to live in a world without laws, where somebody who possibly wanted to kill you would be entirely free to do so, without the fear of possible arrest and punishment? Without laws there can never be justice for those who have been murdered and their loved ones, and others who have been wronged. Are you an anarchist?
Andy.
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Post by donkeydude on Mar 22, 2005 12:40:04 GMT -5
donkeydude, Would you prefer to live in a world without laws, where somebody who possibly wanted to kill you would be entirely free to do so, without the fear of possible arrest and punishment? Without laws there can never be justice for those who have been murdered and their loved ones, and others who have been wronged. Are you an anarchist? Andy. I am not an anarchist nor do I believe murder should be allowed. It is the pro-lifers here drawing a comparison between murder and abortion. I don't see it that way.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Mar 22, 2005 17:44:23 GMT -5
I am not an anarchist nor do I believe murder should be allowed. It is the pro-lifers here drawing a comparison between murder and abortion. I don't see it that way. What I do not understand is what is so different about a human life before birth and a human life after birth? In my mind, only the location has changed. How does killing that life a day before it is born different than killing that life a day, or a month, or 50 years after it is born? How is it murder for someone to kill that life against the will of the mother, but not murder if it with the consent of that mother?
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Post by donkeydude on Mar 22, 2005 19:46:17 GMT -5
How is it murder for someone to kill that life against the will of the mother, but not murder if it with the consent of that mother? Those are laws written and pkmtyolped by abortion foes. I do not believe it is murder. I do not a see a fetus as a human life very simple.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Mar 23, 2005 9:38:07 GMT -5
Those are laws written and pkmtyolped by abortion foes. I do not believe it is murder. I do not a see a fetus as a human life very simple. So what is the difference between a fetus that is one day from being born and a fetus one day after it was born? Actually, I think I remember you saying that you are against late term abortions. Is this correct? If that is true, then at what magical time in the pregnancy does the fetus go from being a lump of multiplying and diversifying cells to a human life?
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Post by christian on Mar 23, 2005 11:35:44 GMT -5
donkey', Beth, Philip,
Here's what I think: Avoiding pregnancy (by chemically preventing the uterine implantation of a fertilized egg) is not murder, but termination after implantation is murder. I believe that it's at the moment of implantation that the soul enters that small cluster of cells.
Andy.
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Post by Kee on Apr 27, 2005 0:28:30 GMT -5
So then we should not legislate murder? We should not legislate theft? We should not have any laws at all? And legislation frees our world of these acts? Hogwash!
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Post by Kee on Apr 27, 2005 0:40:27 GMT -5
donkeydude, Would you prefer to live in a world without laws, where somebody who possibly wanted to kill you would be entirely free to do so, without the fear of possible arrest and punishment? Name one person who was murdered that isn't dead because the person who killed them wanted them to be. I would wager that the fear of prosecution deters very few.
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Post by christian on Apr 27, 2005 9:33:59 GMT -5
Name one person who was murdered that isn't dead because the person who killed them wanted them to be. I would wager that the fear of prosecution deters very few. You don't know that. Society would break down if its laws were removed, and only the fittest, most ruthless, individuals would survive. They would use torture or the threat of it to control people, including you and I. They would rule the roost. Is that what you want? Many of our traditional western values are based on Judeo-Christian laws which are essential for the welfare of individuals and civilized society as a whole. You can find them in the Holy Bible. Andy.
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