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Post by Kee on Aug 26, 2003 23:24:35 GMT -5
Satan called a worldwide convention You be the judge! Does "busy" mean: B-eing U-nder S-atan's Y-oke? Apparently it does in this writers reality. The rest of us do the best we can to provide a living for our family, enjoy the bonding of family meal time. And pitch the junk mail in the recycle bin. As for magazines -- a beautful woman is what she is. I won't be jelous of her for that, in fact just tonight I said to my Husband... "Man I just saw Britney Spears on the cover of a magazine at the grocery store. That is one beautiful girl. She has such a lovely face and eyes! Perfect smile....." ;D ;D ;D
It's all in one's perspective, Vada.
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Post by Ben johnson on Aug 27, 2003 2:37:07 GMT -5
Hello, Shirley. I have read pages 1-5 and 12-13 here. I have read your "earth-shattering-revelation":
Parousia is ...misguided. HAS Jesus returned? According to the angels in Acts1:11, "Jesus WILL RETURN in exactly the same way as He left." According to Matthew 24:30, "Jesus will come in GREAT CLOUDS OF GLORY" (and all will see Him). According to 1Cor15:50ff, "we will be changed --- the MORTAL will put on the IMMORTAL". Tell me, Shirley --- do you feel immortal? Do you KNOW any immortals?
It hasn't happened yet.
I wish to say three or four things to you --- I have completed my text on "OSAS", now to submit it for publication. It is VERY comprehensive, delving deeply into Scripture, detailing the essence of salvation. I would be honored if you would consider reading a copy of it --- just consider it copyrighted material and don't give it to anyone else.
Secondly, you said on about page 2 or three: "I need to find TRUTH for ME". That's fine; but I think you realize, there are UNIVERSAL TRUTHS that stand alone; they don't need you, and they don't need me. Jesus is the only religious founder that said, "I am GOD, and I am THE ONLY SALVATION.
Thirdly --- I know you believe in God. I know you know that God is REAL --- sentient, intelligent --- He thinks, feels, laughs, cries. Please read Jeremiah 29:11-14: "For I know the plans I have for you, plans for prosperity and not adversity, to give you a future and a hope; then you will come to Me and seek Me, and you shall FIND Me, when you search with all your heart; I WILL BE FOUND BY YOU!" I know that you know there are deceivers in the world; but, as 1John4:4 says: "You have overcome them; because you are from God, and greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world." Do you understand? It doesn't really matter what I say to you, or he or she says to you, or anyone; if you search for God, you will FIND Him. And He will meet you there.
Finally --- about your guilt. Do you understand, that guilt is a CRIME? ? ? In Matt6, where Jesus teaches us how to pray, there is ONE POINT in that prayer that Jesus considers important enough to EXPOUND upon --- forgiveness. "If you do not forgive them, GOD WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU!" YOU are one of those that you must forgive!
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; but if we CONFESS our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1Jn1:9
Do you understand, now? Guilt is NOT-FORGIVING-OURSELVES; and it is rejecting God's forgiveness! I don't know what you did; I don't wanna know, it isn't important. It isn't important, 'cause it doesn't MATTER! There is NOTHING you did, or COULD do, that He would NOT forgive!
God has one very neat ability, for which He doesn't receive enough credit. WHEN God forgives us, He then FORGETS THE INCIDENT! So "washed clean" are we from Jesus' blood, that it is AS IF WE HAVE NEVER SINNED!!! He totally forgets about it. Doesn't that just BLOW YOU AWAY? ? ?
FINALLY (gosh I'm gabby!) --- please read 1Jn4; it's all about LOVE; "He who abides in God, abides in love; for God IS LOVE. There is no fear in love, fear involves punishment, and love casts out fear; we love, because He first loved us."
God bless you, Shirley! I will be praying for you to find yourself in the center of God's hand, His heart, His will. I have faith in you, that you will. There are "other truths", but they are deceptions. If you want to find THE TRUTH, then just ask Him; seek Him with all your heart, and JESUS-THE-TRUTH will answer you. Guaranteed.
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Post by Agape on Aug 27, 2003 3:36:21 GMT -5
Wow "GABBY" I loved that, never quite looked at it that way, I have had such a hard time forgiving myself for things done in the past but figured it was my problem, not once did I think of it as "rejecting God's forgiveness" not saying that knowing this makes it any easier to rid myself of quilt, any suggestions?
I have asked God to forgive me for the same thing over and over again and I do know that is wrong, if God forgets my sin then by asking for forgiveness over and over it is just reminding Him of it, I'm sure He thinks I sound like a broken record but it seems like things always keep popping on inside my head, I just can't seem to forget, help.
Shirley I really think you should take Ben up on his offer of reading what he has written, to me it would be an honor that he asked you to do this. I myself don't think Jesus has come back. Can you imagine what people must have thought way back when, it says that ALL will see Jesus return, in the old days how could people believe this, the world is round, if Jesus came back the people on the bottom of the world couldn't see him could they? All I can think of is if a cameraman caught it on film then everybody would be able to see his return on that nasty old t.v set, at least that's the only way I can figure out how all will see. Anyone have any better ideas.
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Post by Shirley on Aug 27, 2003 4:28:00 GMT -5
Ben, I will read your text. Thank you. Shirley
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Post by outlawgirl3464 on Aug 27, 2003 7:35:26 GMT -5
Satan called a worldwide convention Nice story Vada! It hits the nail right on the head. Thanks for sharing
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Post by Panther on Aug 27, 2003 7:58:19 GMT -5
Thank you Lisa. But even labling us "new agers" carry connotation. Yes, you are correct, I didn't mean to do that. I should have thought a little more before I wrote that. My whole meaning was just to express that I do like you guys and feel we can all learn from each other, no matter what the beliefs. New Age is such a loose term, I agree! Blessings to you, Lisa
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Post by Panther on Aug 27, 2003 8:00:26 GMT -5
I prefer "human being". Yes! That works the best!! Blessings to you!
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Post by Panther on Aug 27, 2003 8:10:37 GMT -5
You are right, this thread is no longer about me and what I do or don't believe. No one seems to hear what I am saying. So I guess I will just shut up and continue my search elsewhere. Thanks for all the input.... Hi, sjudy! I thought my input to you WAS saying I understood and AM listening to you. It was my way of reaching out to you. I am sorry you don't think I am hearing you, I thought from my post to you that you would understand that I AM hearing you...... Please, let's continue to talk. I do care about you. Blessings Lisa
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Post by Job19:25 on Aug 27, 2003 9:49:25 GMT -5
"But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break thru nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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Post by Ben johnson on Aug 27, 2003 10:38:24 GMT -5
Hi, AG. I have often longed for a TIME MACHINE (own probably every movie on "time-travel"). How much I would change, if I could only go back. Sadly, my time-machine doesn't WORK YET. Partly because I'm not a physicist, mostly 'cause it's not really built. So there are two or three things in your life, too, that you would change! Part-and-parcel of forgiving ourselves, is the final recognition that WE ARE HUMAN. Unforgiveness has at its heart a certain, "BEHAVIOR REQUIREMENT". When someone hurts us, it is as if we REQUIRED THEM TO ACT DIFFERENTLY. Which may even be a righteous desire on our part. What about forgiving OURSELVES? Well, what do we REQUIRE OF OURSELVES? Do you make mistakes? Do you SIN? ARe you PERFECT? You have no right to require perfection of yourself. Before you can forgive yourself, you must accept your own fallibility.Because none of us HAS that time-machine, then the past is only SHADOW. Just a mist, gone behind. We don't have access to it, do we? WE CAN'T CHANGE THE PAST! You must find a mirror and SPEAK to the person IN that mirror: "You did the BEST that you COULD, with WHAT you HAD! There are reasons for everything we do; maybe you SHOULD have done differently, but that was just WHERE YOU WERE, THEN. You did the best you could with what you had. I do not require perfection from you. What you have done, may be a guide of where you, and I, have come from; and, knowing this, we can strive to choose the direction of TOMORROW. I do not demand that TOMORROW you will be PERFECT; you-in-the-mirror will still make mistakes. I ACCEPT THAT! There's only One who WAS perfect, and you ain't HIM. You have the Spirit in you, you serve Jesus; I forgive you, I accept your Humanness and fallibility. We trust JESUS; HE has the plan, we don't hafta worry; we only hafta pick up the BALL, and DO what He has PLANNED. But there is no worry; occasionally, no matter how hard we try, that ball will slip through our fingers; it's OK, He just changes the plan a little... I forgive you, and I accept you; because I know that HE LOVES YOU! Completely, unconditionally, without reserve or hesitation."Can you say that to the person in the mirror? The past is gone --- you cannot change it. And, you know what? The FUTURE is but shadow, TOO! YOU CANNOT TOUCH THE FUTURE! All you have is a PAPER-THIN-SLICE-OF-NOW! Take that paper, write the words of your life on it, AG. Do you see? HE'S GUIDING YOUR HAND! And SEE? There is the NEXT page, the next moment-in-time; take that one too, write your life on IT, and lay it down. One by one lay down the pages of your life; and, before you expect it, YOU WILL SEE A GREAT STACK OF PAGES! In a real sense, the FUTURE has become the NOW, has become the PAST! And you will have written what you WANT on those pages; and always He was there to guide you as you wrote.Surrender your "perfection", surrender your "unforgiveness", to HIM. Lay yourself broken, and humble at His feet; for it is only broken and humble that He can use you. UNBROKEN you have too many sharp edges; broken, crumbled --- He mixes you with the WATE OF LIFE --- and places you gently on His "POTTER'S WHEEL"; and shapes you into something incredible.He is the POTTER, you, and I, are the clay. Submit to the sculpter's hands --- receive HIS PLAN for you; it is HE that created you, it is HE that has your purpose; it is HE that accepts your frailness and errors; and He loves you anyway. He truly delights in your presence --- do you know that? Delight in His. And this will be Heaven and eternity; being in the presence of the One WHO IS LOVE! That's what it all is about...
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Post by Ben johnson on Aug 27, 2003 10:41:33 GMT -5
"WATER of life" --- all right, WHO STOLE MY "R"? ? ?
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Post by Panther on Aug 27, 2003 10:46:26 GMT -5
Ben, EXCELLENT post on forgiveness. Thank you brother!
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Post by Global Moderator 6 on Aug 27, 2003 14:26:32 GMT -5
"WATER of life" --- all right, WHO STOLE MY "R"? ? ?I modified it. LOL ;D GM 6
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Post by BlindFaith on Aug 27, 2003 14:32:59 GMT -5
Shirley, what exactly do you believe now? forgive me I've only read to page 2....will keep reading though...13 pages???
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Post by trentroy on Aug 27, 2003 17:32:36 GMT -5
Ben, I will read your text. Thank you. Shirley Hi Shirley. Let me know what you think after reading Bens' text. Actually, if I believed it had already happened, I would be totally without any purpose to my life, totally lost. But I'm not, because I don't believe that, but that's only because I've read the bible, and the pieces do not fit for it having already happened. If we believe in what is written in the bible, then we have to know that the predictions will happen as written. For it to have already happened would mean that many, if not most of the predictions in Isaiah, Jerimiah, Daniel, Revelations, etc., were just skipped. God doesn't have these predictions written and then just change His mind about them happening. These things have not come to pkmtyolp, if they had, and all the prophecies of Revelation had indeed happened, we would not be here.
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