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Post by Shirley on Aug 26, 2003 17:44:55 GMT -5
Hello SJudy. I'm still praying for you. Let me direct you to a more peaceful messageboard where you will be able to learn the truth in a loving and caring environment. pub15.ezboard.com/bchristincorrectionsPlease visit here and there are many Christian brothers and sisters who would be willing to talk to you about the Truth of Christ where there is little to no non-Christians there to cause disruptions. Mook: We are not trying to help SJudy on our terms, we are trying to help her on Christ's terms for those are the only ones that matter. Babysis, I appreciate what you are saying. However, there are some answers I cannot get from christians. Things that have occurred to me both in the past and in the last month. I know the christian answer already. It must be demons. But its not demons. I am not going to go into it here for several reasons. One being that these things cannot be freely discussed here. I have already seen that. I was a christian for a long time. I do need answers from these other sources. I will continue to seek the truth in the way that I feel it is necessary to do. If not here, then elsewhere.
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Post by babysis on Aug 26, 2003 18:11:46 GMT -5
Well then, what difference would her answer to that question have to do with "Christ's terms?" I mean if she says no, how does this affect your love for her? And if she says yes, then again, how does that affect your love for her? Does that question really matter to anyone but her? Or let me say that differently>>>Should that question matter to anyone but her? I don't need an answer to her question. I was just letting you know that it is not our terms, but Jesus'. I love her no matter what. Jesus tells us to love our neighbors and I try my hardest to do it, most of the time being successful, but I'm sure you can agree there are many who make that difficult to do. The answer to her question is between her and the Lord. But as people who care about the eternal soul of others, yes it does matter to us. Will I demand an answer out of her? Of course not. But I do care about the answer. If she chooses not to answer (as she has) I'll find out in heaven what her answer was. But I would rather the answer be her hugging me as we stand next to Jesus, praising His name.
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Post by Kee on Aug 26, 2003 18:13:32 GMT -5
However, there are some answers I cannot get from christians. Things that have occurred to me both in the past and in the last month. I know the christian answer already. It must be demons. But its not demons. I am not going to go into it here for several reasons. One being that these things cannot be freely discussed here. I have already seen that. [/font][/color][/quote] I can sure appreciate how you feel here Shirley. Pretty much the same thing that happened to me. Once that window to my awareness openned up, and as I recalled so many past things, ideas such as spiritual warfare, demons, and the like just do not equate to the experiences themselves. Thus, I find they are inadequate explanations for the nature of what we are and can sense as multidimensional entities.
Once one recognizes that what we are is not limited to our physical body and temporal brain, then tenets which do not explore the nature of consciousness are incomplete. There are just things in many perennial teachings and elsewhere that you know already inately, and they do ring true within the core of your being. That is how it is for me, and those qualities come from the soul stuff in my view. That's why they resonate. ;D That's my take on it anyway.
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Post by babysis on Aug 26, 2003 18:13:50 GMT -5
Babysis, I appreciate what you are saying. However, there are some answers I cannot get from christians. Things that have occurred to me both in the past and in the last month. I know the christian answer already. It must be demons. But its not demons. I am not going to go into it here for several reasons. One being that these things cannot be freely discussed here. I have already seen that. I was a christian for a long time. I do need answers from these other sources. I will continue to seek the truth in the way that I feel it is necessary to do. If not here, then elsewhere. This is why I was giving you an "elsewhere" to look into. You may not be able to talk about these issues with people here, but I know for a fact (even without knowing the issues) that you could talk about them at the CIC board. If you would like to talk to me about it, please PM me. I'm always open for listening to others when they are seeking the Truth.
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Post by Charis on Aug 26, 2003 18:51:50 GMT -5
Anything you say outlaw girl. After all, you know so much about my beliefs, and my faith in God, and my life, and my family, and my friends. I'm just this filthy disgusting wretched evil wicked satanic person. Care to burn me at the stake? Or would you just prefer enjoying seeing me burn in hell? No one here would ever enjoy that. How sad that you would think we would.
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Post by Charis on Aug 26, 2003 18:56:10 GMT -5
I do have one request though: Please stop with the crying emoticons. Several of you know my struggle with guilt and its heavy burden. When I see those things, it makes me feel all the more bad. It doesn't help, it just feeds guilt, one of the things I have got to shed. I haven't been able to in those 23 years. I NEED to now. By whatever means. It is crippling me. Yes, that part IS about me.
I cant speak for others, but I am NOT trying to lay a "guilt trip" on you. I am simply saddened by your choices. Is it a crime to feel sad and express it?
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Post by Shirley on Aug 26, 2003 19:01:36 GMT -5
I cant speak for others, but I am NOT trying to lay a "guilt trip" on you. I am simply saddened by your choices. Is it a crime to feel sad and express it? No, its not a crime, and I understand where you are coming from, as I have been there too. I just stated how it makes me feel. I am trying to get over a whole boatload of guilt that 23 years couldn't let me. I am just beginning to. Please try to understand from my POV. Blessings, Shirley
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Post by Shirley on Aug 26, 2003 19:02:57 GMT -5
I can sure appreciate how you feel here Shirley. Pretty much the same thing that happened to me. Once that window to my awareness openned up, and as I recalled so many past things, ideas such as spiritual warfare, demons, and the like just do not equate to the experiences themselves. Thus, I find they are inadequate explanations for the nature of what we are and can sense as multidimensional entities.
Once one recognizes that what we are is not limited to our physical body and temporal brain, then tenets which do not explore the nature of consciousness are incomplete. There are just things in many perennial teachings and elsewhere that you know already inately, and they do ring true within the core of your being. That is how it is for me, and those qualities come from the soul stuff in my view. That's why they resonate. ;D That's my take on it anyway. Yes, exactly!
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Post by AISLINN on Aug 26, 2003 19:08:42 GMT -5
Kee kee, that pretty much is the same thing that happened to me. After so many experiences I had had that are considered taboo by the church it opened my eyes to different possibilities. Lucid dreaming, O.B.E.'s, they are very real to me I have had them. I do not believe they are evil but enlightning. I consider myself fortunate to be able to experience them.
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Post by Charis on Aug 26, 2003 19:22:55 GMT -5
No, its not a crime, and I understand where you are coming from, as I have been there too. I just stated how it makes me feel. I am trying to get over a whole boatload of guilt that 23 years couldn't let me. I am just beginning to. Please try to understand from my POV. What I don't get is Christ came to release us from guilt, so why did you feel guilty? Edited: Mook is right. This is post #1000 for me! Woohoo! ;D
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Post by mook2357 on Aug 26, 2003 19:26:57 GMT -5
Hey Aslan, Desert Rose, newbirth...YOU just made 1000 posts!! WOOT! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kee on Aug 26, 2003 20:15:28 GMT -5
No one here would ever enjoy that. How sad that you would think we would. Newbirth, it's how it comes across to someone who isn't even remotely evil, nor is doing satan's work, nor is satan personified as implied by that scripture posted. Is satan not one of the most vile symbols depicted and thought of in your religion? And no offense to you personally, but I have actually had (on the old board) a few of the current banned members who frequently used this same kind of verbage literally discuss and joke about tourching IamLight and I on their front lawn, jeer of the taste and smell of charred dolphin meat. Pretty disgusting huh? I gotta tell ya... as a Christian -- satan was always a personal thing to me and vitually never something I projected onto other people. Well, there was this one time that was enough to learn my lesson. ;D
Hope that gives you a little insight on using those kinds of remarks and judgments as a comparative of what can often typify those who do.
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Post by Kee on Aug 26, 2003 20:20:39 GMT -5
Kee, that pretty much is the same thing that happened to me. After so many experiences I had had that are considered taboo by the church it opened my eyes to different possibilities. Lucid dreaming, O.B.E.'s, they are very real to me I have had them. I do not believe they are evil but enlightning. I consider myself fortunate to be able to experience them. How did I know that you two would fully understand my meaning? ;D ;D ;D Very recognizable when you are on that page, isn't it?
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Post by kenosis on Aug 26, 2003 20:46:25 GMT -5
Satan called a worldwide convention
Satan called a worldwide convention. In his opening address to his evil angels, he said, "We can't keep the Christians from going to church.
We can't keep them from reading their Bibles and knowing the truth.
We can't even keep them from forming an intimate, abiding relationship experience in Christ.
Once they gain that connection with Jesus, our power over them is broken.
So let them go to their churches; let them have their conservative lifestyles, but steal their time, so they can't gain that relationship with Jesus Christ. This is what I want you to do, angels.
Distract them from gaining hold of their Savior and maintaining that vital connection throughout their day!"
"How shall we do this?" shouted his angels. "Keep them busy in the nonessentials of life and invent innumerable schemes! To occupy their minds," he answered.
"Tempt them to spend, spend, spend, and borrow, borrow, borrow. Persuade the wives to go to work for long hours and the husbands to work 6-7 days each week, 10-12 hours a day, so they can afford their empty lifestyles. Keep them from spending time with their children. As their family fragments, soon, their home will offer no escape from the pressures of work!"
Over-stimulate their minds so that they cannot hear that still, small voice.
Entice them to play the radio or pkmtyolcette player whenever they drive. To keep the TV, VCR, CDs and their PCs going constantly in their home and see to it that every store and restaurant in the world plays non-biblical music constantly. This will jam their minds and break that union with Christ."
"Fill the coffee tables with magazines and newspapers. Pound their minds with the news 24 hours a day. Invade their driving moments with billboards.
Flood their mailboxes with junk mail, mail order catalogs, sweepstakes, and every kind of newsletter and promotional offering free products, services, and false hopes. Keep skinny, beautiful models on the magazines so their husbands will believe that external beauty is what's important, and they'll become dissatisfied with their wives. That will fragment those families quickly!"
"Even in their recreation, let them be excessive. Have them return from their recreation exhausted, disquieted and unprepared for the coming week.
Don't let them go out in nature to reflect on God's wonders. Send them to amusement parks, sporting events, concerts and movies instead.
Keep them busy, busy, busy!
And when they meet for spiritual fellowship, involve them in gossip and small talk so that they leave with troubled consciences and unsettled emotions. Go ahead, let them be involved in soul winning; but crowd their lives with so many good causes they have no time to seek power from Jesus.
Soon they will be working in their own strength, sacrificing their health and family for the good of the cause.
It will work! It will work!"
It was quite a convention. The evil angels went eagerly to their assignments causing Christians everywhere to get more busy and more rushed, going here and there.
I guess the question is: Has the devil been successful at his scheme?
You be the judge! Does "busy" mean: B-eing U-nder S-atan's Y-oke?
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Post by Charis on Aug 26, 2003 20:58:55 GMT -5
Kenosis, Reminds me a bit of a fan fic type story I wrote, a la Frank Peretti. It was my conversion story from the angelic POV, which is what made it fiction. I wish I had it on my computer. One of these days I need to find the copy and type it up, maybe put it online to augment the poetry on my site.
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