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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 17, 2005 1:13:08 GMT -5
So, acting on a whim today, I followed the links to Baptist Bible Believers Website and did a quick search for the word evolution as it's appeared in posts over the last 1,000 days. Not surprisingly, there were countless references to the theory as false, atheistic, un-Christian, etc. Now, it's been my experience that when the theory is referred to in that way, it usually stems from a failure to understand what the theory really says, so I created a user account there under this name and politely asked what the members of the board understood the theory to mean. I created the account around 2pm, logged back into it around 11pm, only to find that both the post and account had been deleted. Now, I'm well aware of the majority opinion of evolutionary theory and of me on that board, and I wasn't expecting a warm welcome, but isn't there something wrong with a position when dissent is not only discouraged, but outright silenced? If the fundies over there really have it right, if their brand of Christianity is the One True Faith (TM), shouldn't it be solid enough to withstand a single question? What is any group of Christians becoming when they tell a brother or sister "You are not welcome here?" --TDv2.0 1:4:9
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Post by babysis on Jun 17, 2005 6:29:57 GMT -5
Traff, you should have known better. I haven't even tried to join over there, don't want to either.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 17, 2005 11:18:16 GMT -5
Oh, this has been fun, six accounts deleted already, as well as my most recent reply to the board. How sad is that, they don't want a faith, they want a club. Yeah, I knew exactly what sort of response I'd get over there, but every once in a while, it's fun to poke them with sticks. Really, it's great fun playing with True Believers (TM), anyone who thinks that the strength of their belief is a substitute for logic or facts is just a party waiting to happen. --BDT 'spect yo' daddy!
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Post by babysis on Jun 17, 2005 12:30:45 GMT -5
As frustrated as I get my some of the things there, I don't poke with sticks. It's not fun. Whether we like it or not they are our brothers and sisters in Christ and we shouldn't do that to our own, no matter how much it gets done to us.
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Post by beth on Jun 17, 2005 16:55:18 GMT -5
Hey traf. When exactly are you going to stop beating that long dead evolution horse? Don't you get it? No one cares! People have their own opinions about the matter, and whatever yours are they don't care, and they certainly are not going to take your nonesense and your attitude problems and your hatefulness on the issue. Your not worth talking to about it. I would have banned you too before letting you start the same ugliness that you got started here. G
Take the hint traf. DROP IT and go argue elsewhere.
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Post by donkeydude on Jun 17, 2005 21:56:44 GMT -5
TD is well within his rights to discuss what ever he likes on this board as long as he is not violating the TOS.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 18, 2005 10:55:17 GMT -5
beth - You're right, the topic is dead. For over a hundred years now. The scientific community took a look at evolutionary theory and declared it to be valid. Evolutionary theory, and science as a whole, is not a matter of opinion. We do not get to hold an opinion of whether or not species arise from preexisting species any more than we get to hold an opinion on whether all objects exert an attractive force on each other. Unfortunately, there remains a significant portion of the Christian community, predominantly in America, that refuses to acknowledge this reality, whether out of fear, dishonesty, ignorance, or delusion. They set up a straw man model of science and condemn the rest of us for not buying into their lie. When it comes down to establishing the credibility of Christians as a whole, their special brand of fear and hatred is an anchor dragging the rest of us down. When they set themselves up as the One True Faith(TM), they are taking on the role of Christ, noone getting to the Father except through them. You accuse me of starting ugliness here, take a look at the Interpretations thread again and tell me who threw the first stone. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't me.
--Traffic X Selling the Drama
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Post by beth on Jun 18, 2005 12:16:09 GMT -5
Donkey dude, your a real laugh, you take yourself way too seriously with your liberal nonesense. Yeah he can try to talk about whatever he wants, but what if no one else wants to talk to him about his chosen subject? What if people are sick to death of him, his attitude etc. And just what if that is why no one posts here. Because of people like you and traf?
Traf, it takes two to tango, and I refuse to dance with rude, arrogant people. Have fun arguing with yourself. Now take the hint, no one cares about this religion of yours but you. You have your opinion and welcome to it. Now stop being obnoxious and find some other topic, or go argue the religion of evolution elsewhere, I know Im not the only one sick of you sticking evolution into everything.
Have a nice life.
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Post by babysis on Jun 18, 2005 12:57:36 GMT -5
Beth, you can share your opinion about his discussing his topic, but Traff is your brother in Christ so falsely calling science that he recognizes as true a religion is cruel. You say he is being mean and you turn around and say the same thing. Instead of jumping on him, just stay out of topics about evolution. I don't understand why that's so hard. If people left it was their choice. If they were sick of these threads they should just stay out of them not leave completely. There had to be other reasons for leaving.
Yeah, has the horse been beaten to death? Yeah. But if someone doesn't think so or doesn't care and continues to talk about it, just don't post, or don't read what they are saying. It happens a lot with a lot of other topics, people just choose to use this one to place blame.
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Post by donkeydude on Jun 18, 2005 13:14:44 GMT -5
Donkey dude, your a real laugh, you take yourself way too seriously with your liberal nonesense. Well, I've come a the conclusion it's time for my party and other liberals to stop laying and constantly keep saying "Well. I see your point, but..." The truth is you're just wrong. The conversative movement is wrong. We won't win by talking down to people or treating Middle America with disdain. We, too, believe in moral values and should be willing to talk about "moral values" only I believe we more profoundly believe in the Biblical values of caring for the poor, protecting the environment, and doing justice than do the current conservatives.
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Post by heathen76 on Jun 18, 2005 13:16:23 GMT -5
I love the fact that beth speaks negatively of the same "liberal nonsense" that allows her to post here and worship as she pleases. The Founding Fathers of this country WERE liberals in the extreme. Conservatism is the mindset of fear. It is apparent in the politics of today.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 18, 2005 14:30:26 GMT -5
beth - "but what if no one else wants to talk to him about his chosen subject? What if people are sick to death of him, his attitude etc. And just what if that is why no one posts here."
You're kidding, right? Take a look back through the board's history. When I disappeared, there was no increase in postings, the dropoff actually became greater.
"Now take the hint, no one cares about this religion of yours but you."
Um, my religion is Christianity. Even judging solely by church attendance around the country, to claim that nobody cares about Christianity is absurd in the extreme.
"You have your opinion and welcome to it."
Once again, science is not about opinions, it is about uncovering the nature of reality. The validity of evolutionary theory is not an opinion, it is a fact, regardless of whether or not you recognize it. As always, if you have any evidence that would significantly contradict the present model or support a different model, post it to the Interpretations thread. I'm waiting, same as before, but you won't bring any because you don't have any. "or go argue the religion of evolution elsewhere"
What "religion of evolution?" Would you care to point out even a single claim that evolutionary theory or any other scientific principle makes regarding the supernatural? No, you wouldn't, because you can't. Oh, you love to think this is the case, and you would be thrilled if more people thought so as well, but it simply isn't. That's ok, just remember the black eye you're giving all of us the next time you try to rationalize lying by doing it in God's name.
--DX TD Oh, you didn't know?
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Post by beth on Jun 18, 2005 15:45:54 GMT -5
Babysis, no I don't consider traf to be anything other than an obnoxious and odious personality. No he is not my brother in anything let alone Christ. The Holy Spirit will bear witness to other believers when a believer is present. And you also can know a fellow Brother and Sister in Christ by the fruits they bear. All traf brings around is what he THINKS is truth, and he delievers it in the most condescending way possible.
And I am glad that at least one person can acknowledge his religion is evolution. Even if he doesn't. And guess what, if a person doesn't know that he or she is being an obnoxious jerk, and no one tells them, isn't that cruel?
And if you and other people like yourself think thatthe fact that I have the......... honest urge to let him know he is being a jerk is cruel, and persecuting him for his beliefs then people like you have no clue what real religious persecution is, or real cruelty. Cruelty is traf telling people they are idiots for choosing to believe the Bible and take God at His word. The fact that traf can't see past his own little meager brain, and the knowledge contained therein, is his problem to deal with. His garbage has been posted and debated to death.
How many people is he going to run off from this site? And the fact that you do nothing tells a great deal about yourself babysis.
Donkeydude, I hate to aquaint you with reality, but I guess someone has to. Liberalism is what is wrong with America.
Traf, it still takes 2 to tango. I still refuse to dance.
Heathen, the so called conservatives in office, are anything but. They are still politicians, which immediately places them in the catagories of liars and thieves, and coorporate butt kissers. They do not represent mainstream america, they only have one agenda in mind, and thats how much money can they get.
All: And where I get my rights from was not from liberalists. Those rights were set down in a document called the US Constitution. History has it that the men who wrote that document were all Christians. Conservatives all of them. And those very rights were preserved by men like my grandfather, father and mother, lets not mention uncles and aunts as well. The very same military liberals decry, slam, and slander. It breaks my heart to think of what soldiers go through for people like you. Ungrateful whinners.
Does this sound familar to any of you liberal Chrsitans?
Liberal "Christians" typically seek to adapt religious ideas to modern science. Their goal is to make Christianity "relevant" to modern man. By elevating science to supreme authority, they assume the Bible is a fallible human document, approach Scripture with an antisupernatural bias, and dismiss miracles as the fantasies of ignorant people in biblical times who did not understand the laws of nature. They also view humanity as fundamentally good, with no real sin problem. Science depends on observation, and humans are biased and inherently flawed.
Jesus is not viewed as God incarnate or as a divine Savior. Rather, He was a man supremely full of God and was characterized by ethical and moral excellence. He is an example to - and moral teacher of - the human race. He didn't die on the cross for our sins, but His death nevertheless has an uplifting "moral influence" on people (setting an example of sacrifice).
God's primary attribute is said to be love. His holiness, judgment, and wrath are practically ignored. Thus, it is not surprising that liberal "Christians"hold out the hope of immortality for all people. The idea that any will spend eternity in hell is rejected.
You can't lie and say that this is not what you believe.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 18, 2005 16:19:22 GMT -5
beth - "No he is not my brother in anything let alone Christ."
Wow, a creationist denying my salvation. That's new. Thankfully it's not in your hands.
"All traf brings around is what he THINKS is truth"
Well, me, and pretty much every scientist on the planet.
"And I am glad that at least one person can acknowledge his religion is evolution."
Thanks for making the assertion again, but you still haven't shown a single claim regarding the supernatural made by any scientific principle, let alone evolutionary theory.
"Cruelty is traf telling people they are idiots for choosing to believe the Bible and take God at His word."
Funny, but I've never said anything of the sort. Perhaps you would like to cite a relevant post. No, you won't, you'd much rather move on to more claims that you can't back up.
"Liberal 'Christians' typically seek to adapt religious ideas to modern science."
What is wrong with this? If a belief contradicts reality, then the belief is wrong. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
"Science depends on observation, and humans are biased and inherently flawed."
That doesn't make science inherentlly flawed, if you would find fault with any scientific principle, you need more than a blanket assertion, you need evidence. As always, you have none.
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Post by beth on Jun 18, 2005 17:17:38 GMT -5
Hey traf, what about the human appendix? If our "nearest" relative are monkeys and apes, how come they don't have one?
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