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Post by larrygn on Jul 14, 2003 11:17:46 GMT -5
I believe that history shows us that the real rapture took place between the years 476-538 A. D. The exact moment is not known, nor would ever berevealed, as if so, we could use that to predict the end of time, which according to God, no man knows, so it is best if we only know to within 50 years. While this can not be shown, as having happned in the Bible,whose last book was written in 95-96 A.D.; I do believe there is a mountain of historical evidence, and actions by the then living church, which shows that something of this type happened. I shall be glad to entertain any opinions, and further discussion on this.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry
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Post by Shirley on Jul 14, 2003 11:21:50 GMT -5
Larry,
Please give us more details. Maybe one thing at a time. Like, what points to the rapture having occurred? What is the historical evidence based on what the church was doing?
Thanks.
God Bless,
Shirley
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Post by billbo1970 on Jul 14, 2003 11:22:11 GMT -5
Oh no, we're not back to this again... are we!? 
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Post by larrygn on Jul 14, 2003 11:47:13 GMT -5
Bill:
My position is hardly perfect, but the best fit I can find. If you do not agree, show me where something better works. I would be happy to find that I did not have to live like a citizen of the New Jerselem must.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry
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Post by larrygn on Jul 14, 2003 11:51:09 GMT -5
I may get the hang of how to post yet. I had responded to Shirely; however, no one else can see the post. I base my decision on the fact that 35% of what was then the Christian world popoulation dropped. This happened between the years 476-538 A.D.; and is based on some reports of population both before and after, and then extrapolation, it is, of course, not flawless.
IE:
population of Rome:
400 A. D. = 2,000,000
538 A. D. = 100,000
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry
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Post by billbo1970 on Jul 14, 2003 12:36:54 GMT -5
Bill: My position is hardly perfect, but the best fit I can find. If you do not agree, show me where something better works. I would be happy to find that I did not have to live like a citizen of the New Jerselem must. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by guidemeLord on Jul 14, 2003 13:19:23 GMT -5
I may get the hang of how to post yet. I had responded to Shirely; however, no one else can see the post. I base my decision on the fact that 35% of what was then the Christian world popoulation dropped. This happened between the years 476-538 A.D.; and is based on some reports of population both before and after, and then extrapolation, it is, of course, not flawless. IE: population of Rome: 400 A. D. = 2,000,000 538 A. D. = 100,000 Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry Why would there need be a rapture?? Are you trying to meld a preterist view to fit with a premillenium view? You say you are part of the New Jerusalem... I agree... But why must there be a physical rapture? Weren't you enraptured by the Love of God when you heard the Good News? Don't you have a true King whom you follow named Jesus Christ? Why is there a need for a rapture? When your body dies you are resurrected to incorruptible and live in the mansion prepared for you by Jesus Christ... |
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Post by pippin on Jul 14, 2003 13:35:48 GMT -5
Guidemelord
Are you saying we don't have to have a rapture? I asking because I can never seem to find it spelled only in Matthew 24 and that to me seems like it would be the saved jews.
Now personally I don't think the rapture matters. What matters is spreading the Word of Christ Jesus. And our relationship with God.
In His Love ysic
pippin
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Post by larrygn on Jul 14, 2003 14:42:48 GMT -5
While you agree that we are in the New Jeruselem, that is of primary importantce to me. Whether or not you can accept a physical rapture having taken place is of little importance, since you know where you are. It may; however, interest you to know that the date timing is correct for the rapture period I posted, so that is why I had to go back, and find a period that would explain all events fortold by John.
As citizens of the theocracy known as the New Jeruselem, we have a lot to do to even restore us to the position of the church-state in 1787. We then must move forward from there,until we are the nation envisioned.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry
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James 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
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Post by Alleluja on Jul 14, 2003 15:27:44 GMT -5
Larry, whatever possessed you to think up this discertation?
Psalm 126:6 He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing His sheaves with Him.
Who is HE that goeth forth weeping....
Jesus:
Seed: Truth/Word Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. John 1:2 The WORD, Jesus, Logos....alive now....
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He hath poured out His soul unto death: and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Jesus Today Alive, and Soon To Come to Earth Again...
Hebrews 2:10 For it became Him, for Whom are all things, and by Whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the Captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
bringing His Sheaves with HIM!
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
Sheaves: those who are bound to Him as a branch to the vine:
John 15:5 I am the Vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in Me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him.
Who Will Christ Bring With Himself?
1 Thessalonians 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring WITH HIM
1 Thess 3:13 To the end He may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH ALL His saints.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive THE EARY AND LATTER RAIN.
Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
Matt 24:3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at his coming.
Galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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Post by woodyblueeyes on Jul 14, 2003 15:37:23 GMT -5
Larry,
If I'm understanding your posts, you theorize that we live in New Jerusalem NOW? That the United States is the New Jerusalem of the Bible?
And you feel that the rapture of the saints has already taken place? That Jesus has descended to call his children home?
If we follow your theory and you say that as it has been foretold by John in the book of Revelations...then WHERE is the anti-christ? Where are the plagues and the judgements that will befall the earth? Where are the seal judgements that will befall the earth?
The great earthquake? The hail and blood and fire that will consume 1/3 of the trees and and gpkmtyolr?
When in our history as 1/3 of the oceans become blood and killed 1/3 of all the marine life?
I could go on but I think you get where I'm going with this.
I do not know exactly just HOW bad the tribulation is going to be, but I have to believe that it is going to be much worse than ANYTHING we have seen in recorded history to this date.
If you consider the rapture to be insignificant, then that's fine...IF it is to happen in my lifetime, then it would be insignificant to me as well because I will be "caught up" to be with the Lord.
Woody[/color]
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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Jul 14, 2003 15:38:56 GMT -5
So how does the events of Revelation play into this theory? For example when was the Abomination that causes Desolation set up in the Temple? The Temple was destroyed in 70AD before the book of Revelation was written in approximately 96AD so how could it have been set up there if the temple did not exist ?
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Post by woodyblueeyes on Jul 14, 2003 15:43:35 GMT -5
Good point D Joy. I knew someone in the "smart" category would chime in.
I just can't believe that the rapture has taken place already...just doesn't jive.
Woody
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Post by Shirley on Jul 14, 2003 15:46:16 GMT -5
So how does the events of Revelation play into this theory? For example when was the Abomination that causes Desolation set up in the Temple? The Temple was destroyed in 70AD before the book of Revelation was written in approximately 96AD so how could it have been set up there if the temple did not exist ? |
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Post by woodyblueeyes on Jul 14, 2003 15:50:04 GMT -5
I think that many historians, will give a timeline to an event that will back up their theory....because WHO is here from that certain event to disprove them?
Just a thought...
Woody
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