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Post by larrygn on Jan 15, 2004 11:45:09 GMT -5
Semper fi:
are you a new gnostic in hiding, one that attacks the Rcc's, but was within their confines for 18 centuries? You seem to have a lot of their thought, and you are fascinated with Isreal, and can not get that out of your system. I just wonder where you are coming from, and what your real objectives are, not the ones you post, the ones you think, Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by semperfidelis on Jan 15, 2004 20:06:32 GMT -5
Semper fi: are you a new gnostic in hiding, one that attacks the Rcc's, but was within their confines for 18 centuries? You seem to have a lot of their thought, and you are fascinated with Isreal, and can not get that out of your system. I just wonder where you are coming from, and what your real objectives are, not the ones you post, the ones you think, Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry Larry when you say this it stumps me. I read the bible and pray to Christ for guidance and this is the interpretation that comes to me. When it says in Zechariah that Israel will repent and Christ will rescue them, then that is what it means. I am not sure what you mean by Fascination with Israel.. I have a fascination with Christ and his plan more than I do anything else. God chose Israel to work his plan through from the beginning and prophecy states that God will continue to do that. People that try to deny this deny the very words of Christ himself or try to twist scripture into something its not. Getting Israel out of my system is not an option.. Just as getting Christ or the truth of his word out of my system is not an option.
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Post by larrygn on Jan 16, 2004 11:20:19 GMT -5
Semper fi:
I agree; however, I believe that the vessel for this is the army of the soliders of the cross, which is the USA military or what is is supposed to be as designed by the Christ and envisaged by him in his Revelation to St. john. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by genesda on Jan 20, 2004 10:58:27 GMT -5
O.K., show me where there is a prophecised gap in the 70 weeks. Show me where it is stated that Israel will, as a nation, accept God. Please show me how 70 weeks which is 490 literal years equals literal 2,970 years, so far. [/color] You know the answer to these questions. The gap is between the 69th and 70th week. If you read through Daniel Chapter 2, you can also see a gap between the Roman Empire and then the rise of the final empire that is represented by the ten toes on the statue. This kingdom that will be destroyed by the stone not cut by human hands has not risen yet. Same time gap as in the seventy weeks. There is no gap. It's in your imagination because you and others hold to the Jesuit ideas on this subject.
Very simply put, if there was a gap of time in the 70 weeks prophecy, it wouldn't be 70 weeks. This is very simple to understand.
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Post by genesda on Jan 20, 2004 11:05:27 GMT -5
Larry when you say this it stumps me. I read the bible and pray to Christ for guidance and this is the interpretation that comes to me. When it says in Zechariah that Israel will repent and Christ will rescue them, then that is what it means. I am not sure what you mean by Fascination with Israel.. I have a fascination with Christ and his plan more than I do anything else. God chose Israel to work his plan through from the beginning and prophecy states that God will continue to do that. People that try to deny this deny the very words of Christ himself or try to twist scripture into something its not. Getting Israel out of my system is not an option.. Just as getting Christ or the truth of his word out of my system is not an option. Yes, and God gave them one last chance to do what He chose them for. The 70 weeks was that last chance and they proved they wouldn't change. Instead of recognizing the prophecies concerning the arrival of Jesus, they chose to kill Him instead. They knew who they were crucifying and did it anyway. Why is it the Magi knew it was time for the Messiah to come onto the scene? Nicodemus knew Jesus was the Messiah. Why didn't the rest know? They did!! The Jews probation ran out and they still didn't change. Just what do you think any Jew can do today to help with the spreading of God's plan of salvation? I'll answer this one for you. NOTHING!!! The gospel is already in almost all of the world WITHOUT THEM. I believe it is you that needs to be reprogramed in the true meaning of the prophecies.
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Post by semperfidelis on Jan 20, 2004 19:49:33 GMT -5
Yes, and God gave them one last chance to do what He chose them for. The 70 weeks was that last chance and they proved they wouldn't change. Instead of recognizing the prophecies concerning the arrival of Jesus, they chose to kill Him instead. They knew who they were crucifying and did it anyway. Why is it the Magi knew it was time for the Messiah to come onto the scene? Nicodemus knew Jesus was the Messiah. Why didn't the rest know? They did!! The Jews probation ran out and they still didn't change. Just what do you think any Jew can do today to help with the spreading of God's plan of salvation? I'll answer this one for you. NOTHING!!! The gospel is already in almost all of the world WITHOUT THEM. I believe it is you that needs to be reprogramed in the true meaning of the prophecies.
[/color][/quote] No, incorrect. No where does it say one last chance. That is why Matthew 23:39 is so important because Jesus leaves the door open for Israel to repent and come back into blessing. This is the same pattern that has been since the beginning of the Old Testament. God chose Israel to work through as a nation. Nothing has changed, that is why the Old Testament prophets speak of Israel coming back into blessing during the tribulation period. Also, we all killed Christ Genesda, yes that includes you. Your sin and my sin is what put him on the cross, the Jewish leaders were just intstruments in the crucifixion. He died for the Jewish leaders just as much as he did you and I, we are all sinners. No where in the bible does it say that God is through with Israel. In fact it says exactly the opposite and Christ will one day set his feet on the mount of olives and take his rightful place as ruler of the nations from Jerusalem. its written plainly in the bible Genesda.
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Post by genesda on Jan 21, 2004 6:55:08 GMT -5
No, incorrect. No where does it say one last chance. That is why Matthew 23:39 is so important because Jesus leaves the door open for Israel to repent and come back into blessing. This is the same pattern that has been since the beginning of the Old Testament. God chose Israel to work through as a nation. Nothing has changed, that is why the Old Testament prophets speak of Israel coming back into blessing during the tribulation period. Also, we all killed Christ Genesda, yes that includes you. Your sin and my sin is what put him on the cross, the Jewish leaders were just intstruments in the crucifixion. He died for the Jewish leaders just as much as he did you and I, we are all sinners. No where in the bible does it say that God is through with Israel. In fact it says exactly the opposite and Christ will one day set his feet on the mount of olives and take his rightful place as ruler of the nations from Jerusalem. its written plainly in the bible Genesda. You haven't answered any of the questions i asked.
How can 70 weeks which equals 490 literal years be the same as over 2900 literal years?
Where is the gap and show it?
Just admit that you're following someone's idea and not scripture at all. If you can't answer the two simple questions above correctly where anyone reading your answer can understand and see it for themselves, then you're following an imaginary scenario. By the way, I know where this idea that you follow originated. You'll just have to face the facts and get over this line you've accepted. You seem to be confused in the time elements of the prophecies.
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