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Post by donkeydude on Jul 23, 2004 2:23:57 GMT -5
I found this email there other and it got me to think, why do people focus so much on homosexuality. It seems to me if that if you enforce one you must enforce them all.
Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an observant Orthodox Jew, she holds that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading gpkmtyolles. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I do look forward to your enlightenment regarding the questions that puzzle me. Then I shall pkmtyolp them along to others who may appreciate your moral leadership.
Sincerely.
(Name withheld by request)
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Post by babysis on Jul 23, 2004 7:03:07 GMT -5
Hey DD! I'm surprised with as long as you've been here you haven't seen this before. I know Iamlight posted it a lot. Maybe that was on the OLD board. But I know it's been here a few times.
Does make you think a little though. At least gets us studying our bible. ;D
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Post by MorningStar on Jul 23, 2004 8:39:02 GMT -5
That is a good question - why can't we own Canadians? ;-)
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 23, 2004 9:42:06 GMT -5
I found this email there other and it got me to think, why do people focus so much on homosexuality. It seems to me if that if you enforce one you must enforce them all. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an observant Orthodox Jew, she holds that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them. a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading gpkmtyolles. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I do look forward to your enlightenment regarding the questions that puzzle me. Then I shall pkmtyolp them along to others who may appreciate your moral leadership. Sincerely. (Name withheld by request) This is an argument used by people who say that the Bible is outdated and should not be used as a standard for morality any more. This issue with homosexuality might hold more water if it was not also mentioned in the New Testament as being wrong also. Then again, the Jews do not use the New Testament as scripture, so it is hard for them. |
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jul 23, 2004 14:37:43 GMT -5
We already own Canadia, we just haven't told them yet.
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Post by donkeydude on Jul 23, 2004 22:16:39 GMT -5
Hey DD! I'm surprised with as long as you've been here you haven't seen this before. I know Iamlight posted it a lot. Maybe that was on the OLD board. But I know it's been here a few times. Does make you think a little though. At least gets us studying our bible. ;D I guess I just missed it, I don't remember it here or the other board. Either way its informative. |
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Post by SG15Z on Jul 25, 2004 1:28:34 GMT -5
I found this email there other and it got me to think, why do people focus so much on homosexuality. It seems to me if that if you enforce one you must enforce them all. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an observant Orthodox Jew, she holds that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them. a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading gpkmtyolles. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I do look forward to your enlightenment regarding the questions that puzzle me. Then I shall pkmtyolp them along to others who may appreciate your moral leadership. Sincerely. (Name withheld by request) Consider this rant that my friend Andre (he use to post here) posted on his LJ. "This week in SOR, Johnno went on one very interesting rant, and it's got me thinking. Johnno isn't the most politically correct of men, and I admire how he'll speak his mind and say what he feels regardless of whether anyone agrees with him. Somehow, I don't remember exactly how, he got onto the topic of homosexuality and went on one of his now famous Johnno rants. What he said really did cause me to re-evaluate past patterns of thought. The one thing that has particularly struck me is how society very much relates and connects love and sex. There is this attitude that if you love someone, you will have sex with them. I've heard that A LOT, and it's so far from the truth it's not funny. I don't think you can exactly choose who you love, I know for me it's just happened, and it's got entirely nothing to do with sex. Society tells people it does, though, and puts the two together as if they are one. It's totally illogical. You can love someone more than anyone else on earth, but that doesn't mean that you have even the faintest hint of sexual thoughts about them. It doesn't mean you have to marry the person, 'get physical' with them, or anything like that. I would argue that love is well beyond that. Furthermore, society has set very specific gender stereotypes, and Johnno proposed an idea I hadn't heard before - that this may be the cause of many people being gay. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him, it's still some interesting food for thought. It is true that society has particular expectations for a man and expects him to act in a masculine manner, and has another set of expectations for a woman and expects her to act in a feminine manner. These ideas may have changed over time, but they are still quite fixed and definite behaviour patterns are still expected. What this means is that a lot of people do not fit into the stereotypes, because what is not acknowledged is that people are right across the spectrum - there is no room made for extremely masculine females or greatly feminine males. We all know how society treats people who don't exactly fit into the box, too. In any case, to take an example, you can have a guy growing up who is simply feminine by nature. He hangs around with girls because he fits in with them, not with the Blokes Over There, and forms solid friendships with them. However, when it comes to finding a date, or when he wants a partner for the formal, the girls are interested in the Blokes Over There instead of him. So what do you think happens? The poor fellow seeks out kindred spirits - other feminine guys. As you may expect, they form a close bond, they come to love each other, and what does the society they live in tell them comes with love? There you go. Screwed over by society again. It is definitely an interesting one to think about. When I say I oppose homosexuality, people often tell me that I can't oppose love. I don't oppose that! I can't tell you who does or doesn't love who, and I never would want to. But tell me, what in the world does loving someone have to do with sex? How does loving someone of the same gender make you homosexual? What really irks me is how so many claiming religion and specifically Christianity, actually foster such attitudes. They harp on about love being only between a man and a woman. What rot. Love is something between two people, regardless of gender. Sex is something between a man and a woman, and I offer a basic study of anatomy as evidence in my favour. My religious beliefs, which I came to accept through my own free will (for those who don't know, I was once an atheist), state that it only belongs in marriage, and that marriage is a heterosexual union. I'm not going to force that on anyone, and what people do in the bedroom is up to them. I can say what I think on here, but I'm not going to bash anyone with a steel rod if they choose to disagree and do otherwise. It really bugs me when people harp on about how homosexuality is so evil and will cause so many ills to religion, marriage, and society. I really don't think someone's sexual preference is going to matter much. But if you're going to relate sex to love and say a man can't love another man deeply, then you are the one who is causing ills to religion, marriage, and society. Anyway. I'm more thinking aloud here, and re-evaluating my position. I don't want to take any sides as it is. It's just that I had never thought of homosexuality in relation to society before, I simply saw it as something rather icky that I wanted no part of. And really, this continual relating love to sex does irk me something fierce. I love my closest friends dearly, they mean so much to me, and yet I would never think of them in a sexual manner. Society seems to think that if you say you love someone of the same gender, you are gay, and if you love someone of the other gender, you're going to have sex with them. It's such rot, it truly is. In any case, I'm totally disinterested in that sort of sexual stuff. A romantic relationship with me would be the most boring and dissatisfying relationship ever if you were looking for something physical and sexual. Personally, I actually want to talk to someone, have intellectual discussions and connect on the deepest of levels. A relationship with me would most likely involve a lot of time in the library. Ahh, libraries ... such wonderful places of enormous knowledge ... I would be so lost without libraries. And books. There's no point to living without literature and the written word. When people suggest the Internet will replace books, I want to throw up. That's how much of a horrible idea it is." - Andre Axver |
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Post by Archangelwolf on Jul 26, 2004 1:16:06 GMT -5
SG15Z,
Hmmm. That is an interesting take on it. Thanks for the post!
As for my opinion, I believe homosexuality is like drug addiction or alcoholism. It is a psychological addiction that a person will always have for the rest of their life; even if they stop. That is why it irks me when Christians treat homosexuals like evil, sinful people. They need help and counseling; not hate and condemnation. I think of a person who practices homosexuality the same as I do of a person that is addicted to alcohol or drugs. When a person finally comes to terms with it and admits it, I believe that is the first step towards a recovery of some sort. However, we as a society stop there. It is like getting an alcoholic to admit he or she is an alcoholic, and then saying, "OK, you can go now." They have finally accepted what they are, but they are not treated.
Homosexuality is an abomination. However, it is a psychological abomination that needs our love and counseling.
Arch.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Jul 26, 2004 5:12:47 GMT -5
Can a man love another man like a man loves a woman? No. And ultimately the love of a man for a woman and vice versa will lead to sex. If a man loves another man as deeply, then that love must ultimately find its expression through anal intercourse. Is that love or lust? Are the two one and the same?
Christian.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 26, 2004 8:49:03 GMT -5
And ultimately the love of a man for a woman and vice versa will lead to sex. I love my mother very deaply. I love my sisters very deaply. I would give up my life to protect them. I know that they love me deaply in return. Does this mean that I will eventually have sex with them? HECK NO! |
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 26, 2004 8:52:51 GMT -5
SG15Z, Hmmm. That is an interesting take on it. Thanks for the post! As for my opinion, I believe homosexuality is like drug addiction or alcoholism. It is a psychological addiction that a person will always have for the rest of their life; even if they stop. That is why it irks me when Christians treat homosexuals like evil, sinful people. They need help and counseling; not hate and condemnation. I think of a person who practices homosexuality the same as I do of a person that is addicted to alcohol or drugs. When a person finally comes to terms with it and admits it, I believe that is the first step towards a recovery of some sort. However, we as a society stop there. It is like getting an alcoholic to admit he or she is an alcoholic, and then saying, "OK, you can go now." They have finally accepted what they are, but they are not treated. Homosexuality is an abomination. However, it is a psychological abomination that needs our love and counseling. Arch. I agree with you wholeheartedly here Arch. I find it so sad that a few years ago I saw the results of a survey and a VAST majority of practicing homosexuals said that they felt like the church HATED them. They didn't feel like they were disliked, but actually hated. The church has done such a poor job in reaching out to homosexuals, in the largest part because of fear. I believe that homosexuality and the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination, a sin, and against God and the Bible. However, God loves people. God hates sin, but loves the sinner. God hates homosexuality, but loves the people. If homosexuals could see God's love through His people, then they would be able to be free of the bondage of homosexuality, just like any other sin, and come to Christ. But it is our jobs as Christians to be a light in this world, to show God's love to those that are hurting, and God's peace to those that are fearful. |
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Post by SG15Z on Jul 26, 2004 23:23:45 GMT -5
I agree with you wholeheartedly here Arch. I find it so sad that a few years ago I saw the results of a survey and a VAST majority of practicing homosexuals said that they felt like the church HATED them. They didn't feel like they were disliked, but actually hated. The church has done such a poor job in reaching out to homosexuals, in the largest part because of fear. I believe that homosexuality and the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination, a sin, and against God and the Bible. However, God loves people. God hates sin, but loves the sinner. God hates homosexuality, but loves the people. If homosexuals could see God's love through His people, then they would be able to be free of the bondage of homosexuality, just like any other sin, and come to Christ. But it is our jobs as Christians to be a light in this world, to show God's love to those that are hurting, and God's peace to those that are fearful. You are so right. They think we hate them. They keep saying they were born this way, and we keep saying they're wrong. But we are wrong. We were all born with sin, and homosexuality is sin, so they were born with it in a sense. We just really need to stop fearing them, and reach out to them. |
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Post by MorningStar on Jul 27, 2004 10:32:37 GMT -5
You are so right. They think we hate them. They keep saying they were born this way, and we keep saying they're wrong. But we are wrong. We were all born with sin, and homosexuality is sin, so they were born with it in a sense. We just really need to stop fearing them, and reach out to them. The problem there is that they see groups like the OSA and godhates***s.com and think that represents the majority-Opinion of Christians. |
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Post by Kee on Jul 29, 2004 0:19:06 GMT -5
Can a man love another man like a man loves a woman? No. How do you know? Have you ever yourself felt that love for a man? I will tell you that I have spoken with homosexual men before about their concerns and problems, and happiness as well, in relationships. The things that were discussed are basically identical to the experiences of the heterosexual. A relationship is a relationship, is a relationship. What is lust really? Sex for sport? |
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Post by AlphaOmega on Jul 29, 2004 7:20:58 GMT -5
I love my mother very deaply. I love my sisters very deaply. I would give up my life to protect them. I know that they love me deaply in return. Does this mean that I will eventually have sex with them? HECK NO!Philip, I didn't mean that. I was talking about heterosexual and homosexual couples. I can't think of anything worse then having sex with a parent, sister or close relative, except for possibly one of the following: Necrophilia (sex with dead people) Bestiality (sex with animals) Paedophilia (sex with children) Those are definitely no-go areas! Christian. |
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