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Post by Protestant on Aug 8, 2004 16:08:14 GMT -5
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Post by TarueBeliever on Aug 8, 2004 20:41:16 GMT -5
Protestant,
All you've done is show that "an evening and a morning are one day."
You've done nothing to prove the existance of a day-for-a-year principle.
Are there any of these day-for-a-year prophecies that have actually been realized? The 70 sevens in Daniel aren't days, so that wouldn't be a case of days-for-years.
TB
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Post by Protestant on Aug 9, 2004 2:48:36 GMT -5
Protestant,
All you've done is show that "an evening and a morning are one day."
You've done nothing to prove the existance of a day-for-a-year principle.
Are there any of these day-for-a-year prophecies that have actually been realized? TB A "seven" is seven days. Thats why it is translated "weeks of years" in the RSV. The 1260 days as 1260 yrs has been realised. 538 AD - 1798 AD the reign of the little horn/Pope as a priest king
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Post by LauraJean on Aug 9, 2004 9:28:24 GMT -5
The 1260 days as 1260 yrs has been realised. 538 AD - 1798 AD the reign of the little horn/Pope as a priest king Sorry, a little ignorant here.... What happened in 1798 to end the "reign" of the pope? Blessings, LJ Not worthy, just worth it.
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Post by Protestant on Aug 9, 2004 16:04:57 GMT -5
Sorry, a little ignorant here.... What happened in 1798 to end the "reign" of the pope? Blessings, LJ Not worthy, just worth it. (7) HE WILL REIGN FOR A TIME, TIMES, AND HALF A TIME. (DAN 7:25) COMPARE Rev 12:13-14; Woman hides from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time. Rev 12:6; Woman hides from the dragon for 1260 days. The little horn reigns for 1260 symbolic days. These days are symbols of a time period just like the beasts are symbols of nations. How long are the 1260 symbolic days? The prophecy indicates that after the rise of the little horn in 538 AD it would rule for 1260 symbolic days. After this we would have the judgement and then the end of the world when God’s people will possess a kingdom that will last forever. Obviously the days cannot be 24 hrs long as 1260 literal days is an insufficient time period to cover the scope of the prophecy. The Methodist Bible commentator Adam Clarke says that the 1260 symbolic days are 1260 years. The Anglican, Dr H. Grattan Guiness says regarding the reign of the little horn : “Its duration : ‘time, times, and a half.’or 1,260 years.” So the Antichrist was to reign over God’s people in Europe for 1,260 years. This time period began in 538 AD and finished in 1798 AD. In 1798 AD exactly 1260 years after the Bishop of Rome became a Priest-King and began to exercise authority as the head of all the churches in 538 AD, Napoleon Boneparte’s General Berthier, under the direction of the military government of France arrested Pope Pius V1 and exiled him in France where he died at Valence, France, the following year in 1799. “The papacy was extinct: not a vestige of its existence remained; and among all the Roman Catholic powers not a finger was stirred in its defence. The eternal city had no longer a prince or a pontiff; its bishop was a dying captive in foreign lands; and the decree was already announced that no successor would be allowed in his place.” - “Rome and its Papal Rulers,” Rev. George Trevor, Canon of York, p. 440. After the abdication of Napoleon, Pope Pius V11 continued the papal succession. But the papacy has not yet fully recovered from the wound it received in 1798 AD.
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Post by TarueBeliever on Aug 10, 2004 8:48:24 GMT -5
And what else does the prophecy say?
24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him. Daniel 7:23-27 NASB
The prophecy does not say "And then another kingdom of the earth will reduce his power and he will coninue on for a while." The phophecy says his dominion will be destroyed forever. What's the dominion of the Pope? The Catholic Church. To my knowledge, the Catholic Church has not been "taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever."
All the kingdoms under the whole heaven haven't been given to the saints either, not yet anyway.
The method of calculating what three-and-a-half "times" in this day-for-a-month principle are flawed also. While the average Hebrew month had 30 days, the Hebrew year varied from 353 to 385 days over a 19 year period. Days were added to different months to insure holidays didn't fall on sabbaths or did fall on full moons. "Leap Months" were added to reset the calender whenever it was too far off the seasonal changes. To say a "time" is a "year" and a year is 360 days is wrong. The average Hebrew year is 365.242 years, just like ours. They adjusted their calendar to fit the real years just like we do. If a "time" is an earth year, then the prophecy is about 1278 years, not 1260.
TB
Note: The term "solar year" is meaningless. A year is the time a planet takes takes to orbit its star. Our star's name is "Sol." Our star and its planets make up the Solar system. It would be incorrect to call another star and its planets a "solar system."
Our 365+ day year is a Terrestrial year. The Martian year is 669 Terrestrial days long. Our star, Sol, doesn't orbit around itself. There is no solar year.
Just a useless fact. Nothing to important to remember. Certainly not a salvation issue. ;D
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Post by keikikoka on Aug 10, 2004 15:41:03 GMT -5
I am a little confused. If in 1798 the antichrists rule ended, then according to you shouldn't the judgment have happened and the world ended by by now?
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Post by Protestant on Aug 11, 2004 2:58:13 GMT -5
And what else does the prophecy say?TB [/color] Did you read the verses i quoted? COMPARE Rev 12:13-14; Woman hides from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.Rev 12:6; Woman hides from the dragon for 1260 days. three and a half times are three and a half years. We are not left to guess how many days it involves. We are specifically told its 1260 days. Therefore one time = 360 days. I fully agree with you about the Hebrew adding of days to make the lunar calander equal the solar calander. But as i have shown that does not apply in the case of days and times in Daniel and Revelation.
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