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Post by Protestant on Jun 25, 2004 17:41:19 GMT -5
I am posting this information to prevent them from leading others astray with their mis-information. Ronda Really? If anyone is full of misinformation its you. No show me where im wrong on Azazel being a symbol of Satan. I'll assume that is was to hard for you to refute. Why dont you ask God to reveal the truth to you. You might be in for a shock.
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Post by LauraJean on Jun 25, 2004 18:05:40 GMT -5
I agree with Marysia. Having said that, Rhonda, with all due respect, this "SDA Expose'" has been done and done again right here in River City. You aren't going to convince Gene and Protestant (the only two SDA's I know of here) that they're wrong any more than they are going to convince you that you are wrong, so why waste your precious time? Instead, why not focus on things that elevate us all? Praying for fast healing for your ankle! LJ You're right. I know the truth about many biblical issues. For instance, I've asked you to show where God gave man a soul that can live it's own existance without a body, and you've not shown that. Why not? You claim this is a SDA error, but that's all you do is claim that. I've shown the scriptures that explains when man BECAME a living soul, I've shown the scriptures that says souls die and are not immortal, and I've shown where that false teaching of natural immortality originated yet, you say i'm in error without disproving the scriptural proof I've supplied.
Am I supposed to believe I'm in error and discard the scriptures because you or some wacko web site says so? Satan has many helpers to do his job of discrediting God's scriptures while they think they are doing God's work.
Excuse me, Gene... Were you talking to me here? Blessings, LJ P.S., Have a super vacation!!
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Post by AlphaOmega on Jul 26, 2004 9:59:21 GMT -5
Gene, Protestant, I've read many of your posts regarding what you believe and I can honestly say that most of what I've read has made no sense at all! Now I'm no Bible scholar, but I know when something makes sense and when something doesn't make sense. For example, the idea that one's soul (mind, will and emotions) somehow ceases to exist after death and then starts to exist again in time for its resurrection is frankly ridiculous. How can one exist once one has ceased to exist? The idea that eternal punishment isn't really eternal, in spite of Revelation saying as much, is a clear example of you not accepting what God says. Your unhealthy obsession with the Roman Catholic Church has suggested to me that you possibly belong to some type of cult, and your belief that the Sunday worship of God is somehow unGodly is laughable! Most Christians worship God on a Sunday and accept that it has got nothing to do with the Sabbath which is an essentially Jewish day of worship. So what is your problem with it? Aren't all days blessings from God? Your stubborn, arrogant, resistance to those of God's people who have corrected you with God's Word suggests to me that you have been well and truly deceived by Satan. You two need to re-examine your theology and get back to reading your Bibles with clear, open, minds. Christian.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 26, 2004 15:50:06 GMT -5
AlphaOmega
Protestant,
well read it again this time ask the Spirit of God to enlighten you.
Ridiculous. Is that what the truth is now?
Your right. You arent a bible scholar.
What a load of crap.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 26, 2004 17:50:23 GMT -5
Your right. You arent a bible scholar. And neither are you. Your blatant misuse of scripture is evident to everyone who has the truth of Christ in them.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 27, 2004 2:31:37 GMT -5
And neither are you. Your blatant misuse of scripture is evident to everyone who has the truth of Christ in them. I can run rings around you and your garbage theology. If anyone misuses scripture its you. You obviously are not led by the Spirit. Show me from scripture where i am wrong if you can.
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Post by LauraJean on Jul 27, 2004 9:01:06 GMT -5
Show me from scripture where i am wrong if you can. AGAIN??[/b]
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 27, 2004 12:00:27 GMT -5
I will not be convinced by your false teachings because I look on the example of Christ Himself. He broke "traditional" sabbath rules, to the chagrin of the legalistic, hypocritical pharisees. Jesus Himself said that the sabbath is for man. It was placed so that we would have a day where we can worship God.
I worship God every single day. I just happen to join in the worship of God with my brothers and sisters in Christ on Sunday mornings.
I for one follow Christ over anything that you will ever say.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 27, 2004 12:02:18 GMT -5
I can run rings around you and your garbage theology. If anyone misuses scripture its you. You obviously are not led by the Spirit. Show me from scripture where i am wrong if you can. Nice, humble spirit you have there.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 27, 2004 15:57:12 GMT -5
Yes but He didnt break God's laws like you advocate. Yes, for man not just for Jew. Yes , Saturday, not a day of your choosing. Do you work on Saturday or Rest according to the commandment? If you want the mark of the beast then just keep on worshipping on the false sabbath-sunday.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 27, 2004 15:58:25 GMT -5
[/b] [/quote] You havent done it the first time yet. ;D
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Post by TarueBeliever on Jul 28, 2004 8:29:18 GMT -5
Protestant,
Consider this -- you and all your brothers and sisters of the Seventh Day Adventist Church teach ...
The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation.
The Scriptures do say that God rested on the seventh day ...
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Genesis 2:1-3 NASB
And, some 2,500 years later, God instituted the weekly Sabbath Day ...
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. Exodus 20:8-11 NASB
But the Scriptures DO NOT say that the sabbath day was "for all people." HaToWRaH, "the Law," and thus the Fourth Commandment was given to the descendents of Jacob/Israel. God had said to Moses...
6 Say, therefore, to the sons of Israel, "I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage. I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments. 7 Then I will take you for My people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians." Exodus 6:6-7 NASB
God said to the Israelites just before speaking the "Ten Commandments" ...
1 Then God spoke all these words, saying, 2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. Exodus 20:1-2 NASB
There's NO evidence in the Bible that God ever handed down a Sabbath Day to anyone (not Adam, Noah, or Abraham) prior to the events of of the Book of Exodus.
A simple denial of my statements doesn't refute them. Calling them a "pile of crap" doesn't either. Calling me a "truth-hater" won't change a thing. Present scripture pkmtyolpages that show I'm wrong. If you make a statement, back it up with relevant scripture not taken out of context.
TB
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jul 28, 2004 18:32:39 GMT -5
Protestant and Genesda, There are several reasons why I know that you two are wrong in your sabbath day interpretation. 1) There are no new revelations. God has given us everything we need in the Bible. So, if the day that we worship God was so intensely important to our salvation, then multiple Godly theologians throughout history would have brought this up. In all the Christian denominations, this has been brought up how much? Even the Seventh Day Adventist church is relatively young in comparison the the age of Christianity itself. 2) Many greater theologians than you two have come and gone and worshipped God on Sundays. I know that you guys have already said that they are either wrong and lost, or misinformed and since you have this grand revelation, then we are now informed. The greatest theologians in the world celebrated the sabbath on Sundays, and I will follow in their example. 3) Jesus' main theme when He walked this earth was what is going on in the heart. You guys are so focused on our actions. I could go through the ancient judaistic motions every saturday and never be saved! It is what is in the heart that matters! The theif on the cross was told that "This day, you will be with me in paradise." So, in the end, it is just back to what I said before. I follow Jesus. I worship Jesus every single day. I worship Jesus on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. I join in with my brothers and sisters in Christ and worship Jesus on Sundays. My heart is with Jesus, and my focus is with Jesus, not what day of the week it happens to be. I have the freedom to approach God any time I want to, not just on Saturdays, and not just in a temple. That seperation was torn in two when Jesus died for me. I celebrate the resurrection of Jesus, as He is my life, my very being, and it was the resurrection that made it possible.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 29, 2004 5:05:06 GMT -5
They have. You seem to be ignorant of history as well as scripture. So! We follow the bible, Thats what counts. Well you can follow them if you wish. I will follow the example of Jesus and the apostles who observed the bible sabbath-Saturday. Thats right. and if you deliberately reject one of God's specific commandments what does that say about the condition of your heart? so what has that to do with the subject. Being a Jew the thief was a sabbath keeper. So. Good for you. Now rest the 7th day according to the commandment. Keep it up and you will get the mark of the beast.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Jul 29, 2004 8:41:59 GMT -5
Protestant, Gene believes that the soul ceases to exist after death, until it's resurrected. He has said as much on numerous occasions. The fact that you do not acknowledge this suggests to me that you change your script when it suits you! I accept that the Jews worship on the Saturday, which is their Sabbath. Can you show me where in the Bible it says that the Jewish Sabbath also applies to us Gentile believers? As far as I'm aware, worshipping God on a Sunday has nothing to do with the Sabbath and it appears to me that you are making the error of believing that the two are both Sabbaths. Again, there is only one weekly Sabbath which is observed on the Saturday by Jews and a small minority of Christians. As for the Sunday worship of the Lord Jesus Christ being the "Mark of the Beast" - why would Satan want Christ to be worshipped? - he wants it only for himself! And the "Mark of the Beast" will be a clever piece of micro-technology which is inserted onto the hand or the forehead. Without it, you won't be able to sell or purchase goods. Whether or not one worships Jesus on a Sunday is irrelevant to this. Christian.
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