Article on Seventh Day Adventists...Part 1

[AuntRonda]

Part 1
Errors of Seventh Day Adventism
The following essay deals with the erroneous doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventists, a 19th-century religious group which follows the teachings of a prophet called Ellen G. White (1825-1915). As we shall see, many of these doctrines contradict the Word of God and are openly hostile to the Catholic Church.
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Introduction:

Seventh Day Adventists´ (henceforth referred to as SDAs) most distinctive belief is in keeping the Saturday sabbath. This is about as much as most people know about this group.

SDAs believe in a prophet known as Ellen G. White who lived in the 19th century. They claim her teaching is in accordance with the Bible but in fact it is not, as we shall see below. Her most famous book is a work entitled "The Great Controversy". The writings of Ellen G. White are termed the "Spirit of prophecy," an expression from Revelation 19:10.

SDAs believe in the judgment day and that Christ will soon come in the clouds to take his people up to heaven with him. Satan and his evil angels will remain on the earth for a thousand years while they (the SDAs) are in heaven, before being destroyed and the new earth (or Jerusalem) will be established.

Seventh-Day-Adventists claim to be the remnant of Revelation, identifiable as "those who keep the commandments of God" (Revelation 12:17) and who have the gift of prophecy.

The following essay discusses some of the problems wth their beliefs.


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The Sabbath:
SDA's insist that we must keep the Sabbath as a day of worship. It is important to understand the whole nature of the Sabbath in order to see why it no longer applies to Christians.

The sabbath was a type or prefigurement of salvation. "There remains therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his" (Heb. 4:9,10). Adventists admit that the O.T. types and shadows, such as the Levitical offerings, were fulfilled in the life and death of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet, they maintain that the weekly sabbath was not a type which was fulfilled by Christ. In Hebrews 4, though, the sabbath is presented as a type of salvation. What it is essentially saying is, that Christ completed the work of REDEMPTION, or in other words, a new creation. Christians celebrate Sunday rather than Saturday because on the first day of the week Christ rose from the dead, having completed the NEW CREATION. So Sunday is the new day of rest.

Some other points:

The sabbath was given, not to mankind in general, but to Israel alone as a special covenant sign between her and God (Ex. 31:13,17).

The sabbath, though mentioned in Gen. 2:2-3, was not given to man until it was given to Israel in the wilderness (Neh. 9:13-14). It therefore did not apply to Abraham or the patriarchs or thse alive at that time.When Abraham offered sacrifices to God, there is no mention of the sabbath!!

Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians commanded to worship or meet on the Saturday Sabbath. Rather, Christians are recorded as meeting on the first day of the week, Sunday. Consider the following verses:


1 Corinthians 16:1,2, Christians giving money for the collection on the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 Paul preached to Christians at Troas whose practice was to meet to break bread on the first day of the week.

John 20:19,26 Jesus, after His resurrection met with the disciples on the first day of the week.

Romans 14:5,6 Paul, when discussing which day to meet, did not say that you must meet on the Saturday Sabbath, (as SDAs say),rather: "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

SDAs claim that the Catholic Church after Constantine in 320 AD changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
This is not correct. We have at least ten citations from the early Church Fathers from 90 to 300 AD who all say that the practice of Christians everywhere was to meet on Sunday, not the Jewish Saturday Sabbath. These include:


St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch (110)
St. Justin Martyr (100-165)

Epistle of Barnabas (120-150)

St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (178)

Bardiasan (born 154)

[AuntRonda]

St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage (200-258)

Eusebius of Caesarea (315)

Peter, Bishop of Alexandria (300)

Didache of the Apostles (70-75)

Epistle of Pliny (112)

See also Catholic Answers: Quotes from the Church Fathers regarding the Sabbath


In stark contrast, SDAs have no early quotes to show that early Christians met on Saturday.

Col. 2:16-17 shows conclusively that the sabbath law is no longer binding:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."


SDAs claim St. Paul kept the sabbath because he went to synagogues on sabbaths. This is faulty reasoning, however. It does not prove he consciously kept the sabbath law any more than his going to the feasts in Jerusalem proves he kept the laws governing feasts.
The actual reason Paul visited synagogues on the sabbath was to preach the Gospe to the Jews. See Acts 13:14-44; 16:13-14; 17:2-4; 18:4. "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures."


Isaiah 56:1-7 and 58:1-13, which are used by Adventists to support the doctrine of a sabbath-preaching last days remnant church, say absolutely nothing about such a thing.

Other texts to consider in dealing with the question of the sabbath include
Colossians 2:13-17; Galatians 4:9-11; Romans 13:8-10, 14:4-6,10,12,13).

Finally, many, but not all, SDA's believe that Sunday keeping will be the mark of the Beast of Revelation 13:16-18 White says in The Great Controversy, page 449:
"In the last days, the Sabbath test will be made plain. When this time comes, anyone who does not keep the Sabbath will receive the mark of the Beast and will be kept from heaven."

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"Soul Sleep"?:
SDAs deny that believers on death go to heaven. They say that believers go to soul sleep in the grave until Christ's return. This is a belief that they share with the Jehovahs Witnesses.

Since (in thier view) the soul cannot exist apart from the body, man must rest in the tomb until the resurrection.

This teaching is refuted by the following verses:


Luke 16:19-31 the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

Philippians 1:23 "I am in a straight between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better."

Hebrews 12:1 "We are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses" (The faithful departed listed in chapter 11 of Hebrews)

Revelation 6:9,10 "I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God ... they cried with a loud voice"

Ezekiel 32:21 "The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell..."

Ezekiel 32:30,31 "The Zidonians which are gone down with the slain ... Pharaoh shall see them and shall be comforted, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword."

See also 1 John 5:11-13; John 11:25,26; 2 Timothy 1:10.
In addition, Adventist believe in annihilation of the wicked and deny the existence of hell. However, the reality of hell is shown from many verses of Scripture, among them:

Matthew 5:22; 10:28; 2 Thessalonians 1:8,9; Revelation 20:10; John 3:36


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Ellen G. White: Prophet and Teacher?:

She claimed to have received more than 2000 "inspired counsels from the Lord" (visions) from 1844 to 1868. A look at her book "The Great Controversy", however, reveals just how UNinspired these counsels were:

In The Great Controversy, page 50, she says the pope "has been styled "Lord God the Pope"". Needless to say, the appendix cited quoting Pope Innocent III does not support such a wild claim, rather merely that the Pope is viceregent of Christ on earth, hence of God.

On page 52 of this book, she claimed "In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians". There isn´t a shred of evidence for this (see above).

On page 59 of the same book, in reference to the pkmtyolm, she wrote. "With blasphemous presumption, they openly claimed the power of creating God, the Creator of all things". As you´d expect, no reference for this gross distortion of the truth.

CONCLUSION: what kind of prophet misrepresents facts, teaches falsehoods and tells history as it isn´t?

[AuntRonda]

Teachings about Jesus:
Mrs White said: "Christ took upon His sinless nature our sinful nature. Christ took our nature and it's deteriorating condition." (Q.D. p.654-656).

According to White and SDAs, Christ acquired a sinful nature. This is not correct. Christ had a sinless human nature: Hebrews 4:15:

For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.


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The "Investigative Judgment":
According to SDA's, beginning on October 22, 1844, Christ entered upon the "judgement phase" of His ministry, whereby He blots out sin.

Adventists believe that Christ went to the second apartment of the sanctuary in Heaven to review the cases of those deemed worthy of eternal life.This SDA "Investigative Judgement" doctrine rests on Ellen White's claimed revelation that Christ entered the Holy of Holies not at His ascension, but in 1844 (The Great Controversy, p.362-373).

Following a year-day principle, and taking the declaration of Artaxerxes in 457 B.C. (Ezra 7:6-7, 9:9) as the beginning point, Miller interpreted Daniel 8:14 to mean that Christ would return to earth on October 22, 1844.

When this did not occur, the cleansing of the sanctuary (Daniel 8:14) was reinterpreted to mean an investigative judgment, in which God examined the record of all the people who had ever lived, determining whether their names were to be found in the "book of life"(Rev. 20:15). Thus, Miller's mistake was in the event, not the date (Van Baalen, 1938). The investigative judgment was the limit of justification, the power of Christ's atonement to erase sin.

Hebrews 9:12 contradicts White's theory: "by His own blood he entered (past tense) in once (not in 1844) into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.' Hebrews 9:12,25.

"...now once in the end of the world hath (past) he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself" v.26.

SDA's teach that Christ transferred the record of believers sins to the heavenly sanctuary, which will be finally cleansed at the conclusion of the Investigative Judgement, their day of atonement.

White says in "Patriarchs and Prophets", p.357. this heresy: "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin. It would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement."

Hence SDA's sins are not cancelled or forgiven yet.

A question to ask is: If Christ could create the universe in 6 days, why does he take from 1844 until now to investigate the books?

These verses show the Investigative Judgement to be false:

"cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

"he had by himself purged our sins." Hebrews 1:3

"yet now hath he reconciled..." Colossians 1:21

"having forgiven you all trespkmtyolpes." Colossians 2:13

Hebrews 4:13 exposes the SDA limitation on Christ's omniscience: "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."

Another question is: why must Jesus investigate in the first place? After all, He surely knows our cases already.

[AuntRonda]

The devil as the scapegoat for our sins?:
White says in TGC page 422: "When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon satan, who, in the execution of the judgement, must bear the final penalty."

satan, according to SDA's, becomes the scapegoat of Leviticus 16. This lack of clear distinction between the forgiveness of sins at salvation, and the blotting out of sins at some time in the future, makes it impossible for anyone to know, even at death, whether he is going to be saved or not.

Having the sins of all men laid on satan, assigns to satan an indispensable role in the blotting out of sins. This nullifies the all-sufficiency of the redemptive work of Christ. The idea of the scapegoat is that Satan will bear away eternal destruction or annihilation because of his responsibility for causing sin to enter the universe. This idea are false, has no basis in Scripture, and in fact contradicts Scripture.


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Who is the Beast?:
SDAs also believe that the Pope is the beast of Revelation.. Some background will be helpful here.

In the early 1800's, William Miller, a New England farmer, interpreted the prophecies of Daniel 7 and 8 and Revelation to mean that the Catholic Church was the antichrist, the beast which "shall think to change the times and the law" in accordance withDaniel 7:26(The Great Controversy, page 51).

Then would come the "end times" in which Satan persecuted the remnant church (Rev. 12:17). This was to occur by the rise of a world church (reinstatement of the papacy as a legal authority), the beast ofRev. 13:11-18, which would make and enforce Sunday-Sabbath laws

The mark of the beast was to be applied to those who obeyed and those who did not would be scourged. There was no way to know when the investigative judgment would end and the "time of trouble" begin. The third angel's message Rev. 14:9-12) was a call to preach the true Sabbath to the world.

The Reformation was seen as an attempt to undo the beast's (pope's) changing of the laws from Sabbath to Sunday. "Babylon," the great harlot of Rev. 17,18 was identified with all other Protestant denominations which broke away from Rome but still observed the Sunday worship.

So we see much of the basis for the SDA claims lies on the principle of the Saturday sabbath.


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[Protestant]

AuntRonda

interesting accustions you have cut and pasted. You have a lot of misquotes of scripture and forged quotes in your article. I can easily refute all of it but it would take up to much space and time in one post.

Same old accustions.
Sabbath / sunday controversy
state of the dead
scapegoat
the antichrist
nature of christ.
Investigative Judgement


Lets try this one first. Who or What is Azazel?

What is the true meaning of the Hebrew word 'azazel used in Leviticus 16?

Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament

Azazel. This word appears four times in OT, all in Lev 16 (8, 10, 26) where the ritual for the Day of Atonement is described. After the priest has made atonement for himself and his house, he is to take two goats on behalf of Israel. One is to be a sacrifice to the Lord, the other is to be the "scape goat," i.e., the goat for Azazel. In all four appearances of this word, it has the preposition "to" attached to it.
This word has been variously understood and translated. The versions (LXX, Symmachus, Theodotian and the Vulgate) have understood it to stand for the "goat that departs," considering it to be derived from two Hebrew words: 'ez "goat" and 'azal "turn off."
By associating it with the Arabic word 'azala "banish," "remove," it has been rendered "for entire removal" (IDB loc. cit.).
The rabbinic interpretation has generally considered this word to designate the place to which the goat was sent: a desert, a solitary place, or the height from which the goat was thrown (cf. Lev 16:22).
The final possibility is to regard this word as designating a personal being so as to balance the "Lord." In this way, Azazel could be an evil spirit (Enoch 8:1; 10:4; cf. II Chr 11:15; Isa 34:14; Rev 18:2) . . . standing logically in antithesis to Lord. . . . (vol. II, pp. 657-658)


New International Dictionary of Old Testament

theology and Exegesis says of 'azazel:
This word appears 4x in the prescriptions governing the Day of Atonement . . . Its undetermined origin and limited use in the OT has resulted in much speculation and uncertainty with regard to its precise and original meaning . . . Four major explanations have been suggested for the word . . .
The fourth position suggests that the Azazel is a reference to a desert demon . . . In support of this position is the book of Enoch, which uses this name for a chief demon (En 8:1; 9:6; 10:4-8; 13:1-2; 54:5; 55:4; 69:2). The OT also associates the appearance of goats with demons . . . Furthermore, the desert or wilderness is frequently described by both the OT and NT as the abode of evil spirits (Isa 13:1; 34:13; Matt 12:43; Luke 11:24; Rev 18:2). This interpretation also balances the parallel expression "for the Lord" in 16:8 and makes sense of the remaining grammatical expressions. . . .
The fourth [position] makes the most grammatical sense (vol. 3; pp. 362, 363).

The revised HarperCollins Bible Dictionary records this about Azazel:

A demonic figure to whom the sin-laden goat was sent on the Day of Atonement (Lev. 16:8, 10, 26). The Hebrew word had been traditionally understood as a phrase meaning "the goat that escapes," giving us the word "scapegoat." But in the light of modern research, both this interpretation and those that understand it as a place name are incorrect. The word is a proper name and means something like "angry god." Yet, though Azazel is a demon, he does not play an active role in the rite as corresponding figures do in similar rituals of the ancient Near East ("Azazel," p. 90.)
In his Bible dictionary, James Hastings states: "'Azazel must have been such a[n evil] spirit, sufficiently distinguished from the rest, in popular imagination, to receive a special name, and no doubt invested with attributes which, though unknown to us, were perfectly familiar to those for whom the ceremonial of Lv 16 was first designed" (A Dictionary of the Bible, vol. 1, pp. 207-208).

Azazel in the Book of Enoch

ENOCH 8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. . . . (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

Although Azazel is not initially listed among the rulers of the 200 angels who came down to earth to mate with human women, he appears soon after this event. Later in the book (Enoch 54:4), Azazel is shown to be the ruler of this host of rebellious angels. Azazel, a powerful, high-ranking evil angel, apparently sought to take advantage of the lawless environment in the period of angelic rebellion before the Flood to wreak havoc on humanity. He accomplished this by teaching mankind how to make weapons and the art of warfare, among other things. This displeased the Eternal God greatly, and Enoch shows that He decreed a stiff punishment for Azazel's sins.

ENOCH 10:4 - 9 “And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there forever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.” (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

We see from the excerpt we just read that Azazel's punishment was to be bound and cast into an opening made in the desert and sealed up there, covered by rough and jagged stones in darkness. He was to remain in this place until the time of his judgment, when he would then be cast into the fire. When we examine the punishment later decreed for the remainder of the angels who sinned before the Flood, we get a little more information about this place where Azazel and the other demons were imprisoned.

ENOCH 54:3 “And there mine eyes saw how they made these their instruments, iron chains of immeasurable weight. 4 And I asked the angel of peace who went with me, saying: "For whom are these chains being prepared? And he said unto me: "These are being prepared for the hosts of Azazel, so that they may take them and cast them into the abyss of complete condemnation, and they shall cover their jaws with rough stones as the Lord of Spirits commanded. 6 And Michael, and Gabriel, and Raphael, and Phanuel shall take hold of them on that great day, and cast them on that day into the burning furnace, that the Lord of Spirits may take vengeance on them for their unrighteousness in becoming subject to Satan and leading astray those who dwell on the earth." (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)


Satan [Heb.,adversary], traditional opponent of God and humanity in Judaism and Christianity. In Scripture and literature the role of the opponent is given many names, such as Apolyon, Beelzebub, Semihazah, Azazel, Belial, and Sammael. Nicknames include the Tempter, Evil One, God of This World, Father of Lies, and Prince of Darkness. But in the New Testament it is Satan, with its Greek equivalent diabolos (the Devil), which came to dominate, displacing or demoting other names and figures. Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, Copyright (c) 2002.


2 sites about Azazel
www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/azazel.asp

www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/festivals_2/4.html

[genesda]

AuntRonda said:

Part 1
Errors of Seventh Day Adventism
The following essay deals with the erroneous doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventists, a 19th-century religious group which follows the teachings of a prophet called Ellen G. White (1825-1915). As we shall see, many of these doctrines contradict the Word of God and are openly hostile to the Catholic Church.
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Introduction:

Seventh Day Adventists´ (henceforth referred to as SDAs) most distinctive belief is in keeping the Saturday sabbath. This is about as much as most people know about this group.

SDAs believe in a prophet known as Ellen G. White who lived in the 19th century. They claim her teaching is in accordance with the Bible but in fact it is not, as we shall see below. Her most famous book is a work entitled "The Great Controversy". The writings of Ellen G. White are termed the "Spirit of prophecy," an expression from Revelation 19:10.

SDAs believe in the judgment day and that Christ will soon come in the clouds to take his people up to heaven with him. Satan and his evil angels will remain on the earth for a thousand years while they (the SDAs) are in heaven, before being destroyed and the new earth (or Jerusalem) will be established.

Seventh-Day-Adventists claim to be the remnant of Revelation, identifiable as "those who keep the commandments of God" (Revelation 12:17) and who have the gift of prophecy.

The following essay discusses some of the problems wth their beliefs.


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The Sabbath:
SDA's insist that we must keep the Sabbath as a day of worship. It is important to understand the whole nature of the Sabbath in order to see why it no longer applies to Christians.

The sabbath was a type or prefigurement of salvation. "There remains therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his" (Heb. 4:9,10). Adventists admit that the O.T. types and shadows, such as the Levitical offerings, were fulfilled in the life and death of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet, they maintain that the weekly sabbath was not a type which was fulfilled by Christ. In Hebrews 4, though, the sabbath is presented as a type of salvation. What it is essentially saying is, that Christ completed the work of REDEMPTION, or in other words, a new creation. Christians celebrate Sunday rather than Saturday because on the first day of the week Christ rose from the dead, having completed the NEW CREATION. So Sunday is the new day of rest.

Some other points:

The sabbath was given, not to mankind in general, but to Israel alone as a special covenant sign between her and God (Ex. 31:13,17).

The sabbath, though mentioned in Gen. 2:2-3, was not given to man until it was given to Israel in the wilderness (Neh. 9:13-14). It therefore did not apply to Abraham or the patriarchs or thse alive at that time.When Abraham offered sacrifices to God, there is no mention of the sabbath!!

Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians commanded to worship or meet on the Saturday Sabbath. Rather, Christians are recorded as meeting on the first day of the week, Sunday. Consider the following verses:


1 Corinthians 16:1,2, Christians giving money for the collection on the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 Paul preached to Christians at Troas whose practice was to meet to break bread on the first day of the week.

John 20:19,26 Jesus, after His resurrection met with the disciples on the first day of the week.

Romans 14:5,6 Paul, when discussing which day to meet, did not say that you must meet on the Saturday Sabbath, (as SDAs say),rather: "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

SDAs claim that the Catholic Church after Constantine in 320 AD changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
This is not correct. We have at least ten citations from the early Church Fathers from 90 to 300 AD who all say that the practice of Christians everywhere was to meet on Sunday, not the Jewish Saturday Sabbath. These include:


St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch (110)
St. Justin Martyr (100-165)

Epistle of Barnabas (120-150)

St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (178)

Bardiasan (born 154)

These are all old arguments by those who refuse to accept the true teachings of God's word and have all been proven to be false. There's nothing new here.
It's noty worth the time it would take to go through all of this again.

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[marysia]

prot, gene, aren't your comments about "same old thing" really just the pot calling the kettle black? you two both post things about the Rcc that we refute and say are "old arguments which are proven false", however you don't feel they are proven based upon your own belief system.

[genesda]

marysia said:

prot, gene, aren't your comments about "same old thing" really just the pot calling the kettle black? you two both post things about the Rcc that we refute and say are "old arguments which are proven false", however you don't feel they are proven based upon your own belief system.

Yes, but I'm tired today and I'll be gone for three weeks. I don't feel like getting into that right now. after today, you'll not hear from me for a while.

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[AuntRonda]

This isn't the only site I found that details the Errors of the 7th Dayers.......

I will be "off my feet" quite a bit the next couple of days, as I have sprained my ankle.....clumsy old me!! so I have to keep it elevated.......though it is doing much, much better since it happened last night. Iced it immediately......I have learned something from being clumsy........

So I will have time to post information from the other sites as well. I have no doubt folks like Gene will still continue to deny the FACTS the sites present......but I am still going to present them lest others be led astray by such folks.

Ronda

[LauraJean]

I agree with Marysia.

Having said that, Rhonda, with all due respect, this "SDA Expose'" has been done and done again right here in River City.

You aren't going to convince Gene and Protestant (the only two SDA's I know of here) that they're wrong any more than they are going to convince you that you are wrong, so why waste your precious time? Instead, why not focus on things that elevate us all?

Praying for fast healing for your ankle!
LJ

[genesda]

LauraJean said:

I agree with Marysia.

Having said that, Rhonda, with all due respect, this "SDA Expose'" has been done and done again right here in River City.

You aren't going to convince Gene and Protestant (the only two SDA's I know of here) that they're wrong any more than they are going to convince you that you are wrong, so why waste your precious time? Instead, why not focus on things that elevate us all?

Praying for fast healing for your ankle!
LJ

You're right. I know the truth about many biblical issues. For instance, I've asked you to show where God gave man a soul that can live it's own existance without a body, and you've not shown that.
Why not? You claim this is a SDA error, but that's all you do is claim that.
I've shown the scriptures that explains when man BECAME a living soul, I've shown the scriptures that says souls die and are not immortal, and I've shown where that false teaching of natural immortality originated yet, you say i'm in error without disproving the scriptural proof I've supplied.

Am I supposed to believe I'm in error and discard the scriptures because you or some wacko web site says so?
Satan has many helpers to do his job of discrediting God's scriptures while they think they are doing God's work.

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[AuntRonda]

LauraJean said:

I agree with Marysia.

Having said that, Rhonda, with all due respect, this "SDA Expose'" has been done and done again right here in River City.

You aren't going to convince Gene and Protestant (the only two SDA's I know of here) that they're wrong any more than they are going to convince you that you are wrong, so why waste your precious time? Instead, why not focus on things that elevate us all?

Praying for fast healing for your ankle!
LJ

I am posting this information to prevent them from leading others astray with their mis-information.

Thanks for the prayers.....have ice on it again....it's feeling better, but it's frustrating not be be able to be at 100% to do the stuff I need to do.

Ronda

[marysia]

AuntRonda said:

I am posting this information to prevent them from leading others astray with their mis-information.

Thanks for the prayers.....have ice on it again....it's feeling better, but it's frustrating not be be able to be at 100% to do the stuff I need to do.

Ronda

favor with the ankle -- if it starts to feel better - still stay off it i understabd how frustrating it can be to be stuck and how easy to think -- of i can do this or that. may our dear Lord grant your healing and the patience needed to accept the healing!

(ice?! i like frozen peas or corn! i'll freeze wet dishtowels and wash cloths too - they're softer - yes i'm truly a wimp)

[AuntRonda]

marysia said:

favor with the ankle -- if it starts to feel better - still stay off it i understabd how frustrating it can be to be stuck and how easy to think -- of i can do this or that. may our dear Lord grant your healing and the patience needed to accept the healing!

(ice?! i like frozen peas or corn! i'll freeze wet dishtowels and wash cloths too - they're softer - yes i'm truly a wimp)

Actually, frozen peas and corn are exactly what I am using for ice packs. ;D I hate cold so I am a truly a wimp too. ;D A clutz and wimp. ;D

Ronda