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Post by kingsdaughter on Apr 16, 2004 19:19:07 GMT -5
As Christians, Satan has no hold over us. We are slaves of Christ and righteousness and no longer slaves to sin and death. Therefore there is nothing that Satan and his demons can do to us that we do not allow them to do. The power of Christ in our lives will keep demons out of our house and lives. It doesn't meant that Satan will not try all that much harder to get us to fall and sin, but ultimately he has no control over us. We have been redeemed! So we do not need to live in fear of Satan's demons, or spirits, or ghosts, or whatever you want to call them. We have the resurrected Christ residing with us! this is correct as christians we have the power to rebuke satan and his demons by the power and authority of Jesus Christ. Satan and his demons must leave it works i've done it and with in seconds of saying this their presence is gone and the Holy Spirit fills my head and heart with scripture or songs . ysic Pam
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Post by genesda on Apr 19, 2004 5:49:01 GMT -5
wow..that's incredible..I wonder how many times we have been protected..and don't even know it? One thought though.. WE open the door to allow these things in. But..yes, while we are walking with Him..they can't touch us. The problem comes..when we step away. Sorta like stepping out from under the umbrella when its raining..you're gonna get wet. Darkness cannot exist in the Light. Light will chase the darkness out. Now..we can "turn out the Light"...and allow the darkness to over take us.. You are exactly correct here. Do you know ways to "turn out the light"? [/color]
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Post by Charis on Apr 27, 2004 20:11:37 GMT -5
Speaking of witchcraft - there is a ritual used called the the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, where you cleanse the room of spirits. I won't post a link, but you can look it up on google. Some Kabbalists used this as well. When I was Wiccan, our High Priest began every single ritual with the Lesser Banishing Ritual - just to make sure there wasn't anything nasty hanging around. Only then did we cast the circle, call the quarters, etc.
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Post by Cohdra on Apr 28, 2004 2:18:47 GMT -5
Hey all! I have been doing some thinking. Back in the old "left behind" board days, many folks posted threads on "spiritual housecleaning." Posts were made on spreading oil on your doorjambs, etc. to scare negative spirits/demons out of the home. There was talk of bringing items into the home with bad energies and how to rid the home of it. There were posts on saying prayers to chase the ghosts out. I found the whole thing rather interesting, but I admit I am rather sceptical on the whole process. Opinions? Lisa Sounds like witchcraft to me. Only Jesus can chase demons away. When humans try this, they place themselves on Satan's ground and that's a bad place to be unarmed. Many have tried to do battle with Satan thinking they were prepared and found themselves overtaken by his powers of persuasion and moved over to the dark side. Stay in prayer and let Jesus do the fighting. [/color][/quote] I agree 100% that there are many people engaging in this activity that are not equipped to do so. I must say, however, that Christ did give his Disciples the power to cast out demons (in His name), and there was another event where a "stranger" was found casting out demons in Christ's name (though he was not one of them), and Christ condoned his actions. I believe that priests, ministers, etc are (or should be) "equipped" to deal with demonic activity and possession, and perhaps a few very special lay people...but as a whole, I believe it is a very dangerous practice for most to engage in. If one is confronted personally with this activity, and must deal with it right away, immediate prayer for help in Christ's name would be the right course of action. I believe that it is possible that casting out demons/spirits may be a special gift of The Holy Spirit, and should not be taken lightly by anyone. There have been people actually hurt / killed while involved in this phenomenon. Demonic / spiritual entities are extremely powerful, and it is only through our Lord Jesus Christ that they can be driven away. It also requires great faith (as written in Scripture) to cast out spirits. Some are so powerful (or stubborn) that much prayer and fasting is required in preparation. Those that do not follow the commands in Scripture on these points are making a grave error. I have often encountered mocking posts regarding demonic forces on the old message board, and this attitude is foolish, naive and arrogant...the least devil is more powerful, knowledgeable, and cunning then even the greatest human (this in regards to demonic non-human entities). Again, it is only through Christ that we have protection from them. Excellent topic...ty for posting it God bless
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Post by genesda on Apr 28, 2004 4:51:26 GMT -5
I agree 100% that there are many people engaging in this activity that are not equipped to do so. I must say, however, that Christ did give his Disciples the power to cast out demons (in His name), and there was another event where a "stranger" was found casting out demons in Christ's name (though he was not one of them), and Christ condoned his actions. I believe that priests, ministers, etc are (or should be) "equipped" to deal with demonic activity and possession, and perhaps a few very special lay people...but as a whole, I believe it is a very dangerous practice for most to engage in. I understand what you're saying but I believe you're wrong. Since you believe "priests" ministers, etc. are "equipped "to deal...etc.",what are you basing this on? No one can "cast out a demon" by his own authority, training, etc., so then what? [/color] If one is confronted personally with this activity, and must deal with it right away, immediate prayer for help in Christ's name would be the right course of action. Help in Christ's name? LOL, that's the only one who can make Satan tremble. Man has no authority to cast out demons by any special ritual, magic words or anything else. Did you ever stop and think that Satan might be using certain individuals to convince others that they should be followed by seemingly being able to cast out demons? Satan is usings people without even their awareness, to ensnare others by this method. He will use someone who is a lost sinner to convince others to follow that person and thereby wind being lost themselves. [/color] I believe that it is possible that casting out demons/spirits may be a special gift of The Holy Spirit, and should not be taken lightly by anyone. Sorry, there is no such gift of the Holy Spirit. The gifts of the spirit are listed in the scriptures and casting out demons is not there. [/color] There have been people actually hurt / killed while involved in this phenomenon. Demonic / spiritual entities are extremely powerful, and it is only through our Lord Jesus Christ that they can be driven away. Now, you've got it! [/color] It also requires great faith (as written in Scripture) to cast out spirits. Some are so powerful (or stubborn) that much prayer and fasting is required in preparation. I disagree. It is man's weak spirit and faith that will cause some to be taken over and swith to the "dark side". [/color] Those that do not follow the commands in Scripture on these points are making a grave error. I have often encountered mocking posts regarding demonic forces on the old message board, and this attitude is foolish, naive and arrogant...the least devil is more powerful, knowledgeable, and cunning then even the greatest human (this in regards to demonic non-human entities). Again, it is only through Christ that we have protection from them. Again, you've got it now. [/color]
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Post by I2AM4GOD on May 27, 2004 11:58:35 GMT -5
I agree 100% that there are many people engaging in this activity that are not equipped to do so. I must say, however, that Christ did give his Disciples the power to cast out demons (in His name), and there was another event where a "stranger" was found casting out demons in Christ's name (though he was not one of them), and Christ condoned his actions. I believe that priests, ministers, etc are (or should be) "equipped" to deal with demonic activity and possession, and perhaps a few very special lay people...but as a whole, I believe it is a very dangerous practice for most to engage in. I understand what you're saying but I believe you're wrong. Since you believe "priests" ministers, etc. are "equipped "to deal...etc.",what are you basing this on? No one can "cast out a demon" by his own authority, training, etc., so then what? [/color] If one is confronted personally with this activity, and must deal with it right away, immediate prayer for help in Christ's name would be the right course of action. Help in Christ's name? LOL, that's the only one who can make Satan tremble. Man has no authority to cast out demons by any special ritual, magic words or anything else. Did you ever stop and think that Satan might be using certain individuals to convince others that they should be followed by seemingly being able to cast out demons? Satan is usings people without even their awareness, to ensnare others by this method. He will use someone who is a lost sinner to convince others to follow that person and thereby wind being lost themselves. [/color] I believe that it is possible that casting out demons/spirits may be a special gift of The Holy Spirit, and should not be taken lightly by anyone. Sorry, there is no such gift of the Holy Spirit. The gifts of the spirit are listed in the scriptures and casting out demons is not there. [/color] There have been people actually hurt / killed while involved in this phenomenon. Demonic / spiritual entities are extremely powerful, and it is only through our Lord Jesus Christ that they can be driven away. Now, you've got it! [/color] It also requires great faith (as written in Scripture) to cast out spirits. Some are so powerful (or stubborn) that much prayer and fasting is required in preparation. I disagree. It is man's weak spirit and faith that will cause some to be taken over and swith to the "dark side". [/color] Those that do not follow the commands in Scripture on these points are making a grave error. I have often encountered mocking posts regarding demonic forces on the old message board, and this attitude is foolish, naive and arrogant...the least devil is more powerful, knowledgeable, and cunning then even the greatest human (this in regards to demonic non-human entities). Again, it is only through Christ that we have protection from them. Again, you've got it now. [/color][/quote] You don't accept that casting out demons is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Ever heard of the Great Commission when Jesus told his disciples to go and preach the Gospel, cast out demons and heal the sick? "And the Lord said unto them, 'Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be ***ed. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover'." - Gospel according to Mark, ch.16, vv.15-18
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Post by genesda on May 28, 2004 6:37:56 GMT -5
You don't accept that casting out demons is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Ever heard of the Great Commission when Jesus told his disciples to go and preach the Gospel, cast out demons and heal the sick? "And the Lord said unto them, 'Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be ***ed. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover'." - Gospel according to Mark, ch.16, vv.15-18 That wasn't a gift of the holy spirit. That was a direct command from Jesus. The gifts of the holy spirit are listed and caasting out demons isn't one of them. While I agree with you on casting out demons, I just disagree that this is a gift of the holy spirit. [/color]
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Post by I2AM4GOD on May 28, 2004 9:19:31 GMT -5
Gene,
Healing is a gift of the Holy Spirit and sometimes casting out demons is necessary in order for it to take place. The whole of the Great Commission is a command from the Lord Jesus Christ to His followers to "preach the Gospel, cast out demons and heal the sick". Deliverance also means "to liberate from the power of the enemy". Could you please point out where in the Bible it says that deliverance isn't a gift of the Holy Spirit?
Andy.
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Post by genesda on Jun 2, 2004 6:41:41 GMT -5
Gene, Healing is a gift of the Holy Spirit and sometimes casting out demons is necessary in order for it to take place. The whole of the Great Commission is a command from the Lord Jesus Christ to His followers to "preach the Gospel, cast out demons and heal the sick". Deliverance also means "to liberate from the power of the enemy". Could you please point out where in the Bible it says that deliverance isn't a gift of the Holy Spirit? Andy. Andy, I think it's up to you to show where the bible says what you mention is a gift of the h.s. While I agree that what you say does happen, and it is because of God's power, these are not considered as gifts of the spirit that are listed in the scriptures. [/color]
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jun 9, 2004 9:29:21 GMT -5
Gene, Healing is a gift of the Holy Spirit and sometimes casting out demons is necessary in order for it to take place. The whole of the Great Commission is a command from the Lord Jesus Christ to His followers to "preach the Gospel, cast out demons and heal the sick". Deliverance also means "to liberate from the power of the enemy". Could you please point out where in the Bible it says that deliverance isn't a gift of the Holy Spirit? Andy. Andy, I think it's up to you to show where the bible says what you mention is a gift of the h.s. While I agree that what you say does happen, and it is because of God's power, these are not considered as gifts of the spirit that are listed in the scriptures. [/color][/quote] Gene, If liberation from demonic spirits isn't a gift from God, then who is responsible for it? I can't image that it's Satan - can you? Deliverance is a part of the healing ministry of Christ. I take it that you accept healing as a gift of the Holy Spirit? Deliverance is part of that. Andy.
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Post by MorningStar on Jun 10, 2004 8:20:13 GMT -5
When I was Wiccan, our High Priest began every single ritual with the Lesser Banishing Ritual - just to make sure there wasn't anything nasty hanging around. Only then did we cast the circle, call the quarters, etc. I didn't realize Wiccans used this ritual as well. I read a good book, and a character used that ritual (along with others) to trap demons after summoning them, in order to hold them so he could get rid of them. I'll have to go grab the Book of Solomon and see if it appears in there at all.
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Post by genesda on Jun 15, 2004 6:53:02 GMT -5
Gene, If liberation from demonic spirits isn't a gift from God, then who is responsible for it? I can't image that it's Satan - can you? Deliverance is a part of the healing ministry of Christ. I take it that you accept healing as a gift of the Holy Spirit? Deliverance is part of that. Andy. Satan has the power to "bind and loose". He can cause illness and can relieve it too, when it suits him to do so. A good example of this is, Let's say a man is a thief and steals from old people because they are easy targets, and he gets deathly ill. Without any sign of repentence, change of heart or compkmtyolpion for those he stole from he says God please heal me so I can get out of this hos[pital and make some money to pay for my expenses. Personally, I don't believe God hears or answers that kind of prayer.
Satan would heal this man thereby enforcing his belief that what he is doing is acceptable to God and showing hime he has no need to repent.
There are many example of this happening today in various forms and examples. Another is prayer top "Mary". mary is dead and can't hear anyone, but those who are being loosed by Satan are believing "Mary" did it and they stay in their Marian cult and continue to worship "her". I believe those people are lost and will continue to be lost until they see the truth and repent. Satan is a master of deception and knows what it takes to deceive. It is only in the truth of the scriptures that men are safe from him. He knows that and that is why he continues to cause confusion on what the bible actually says. All miracles aren't from God. The supernatural isn't a sign of God because Satan has supernatural powers. I believe the only thing Satan had taken from him was the ability to read minds. [/color]
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jun 15, 2004 12:03:28 GMT -5
I didn't realize Wiccans used this ritual as well. I read a good book, and a character used that ritual (along with others) to trap demons after summoning them, in order to hold them so he could get rid of them. I'll have to go grab the Book of Solomon and see if it appears in there at all. It is impossible for humans to trap demons.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jun 15, 2004 12:57:26 GMT -5
Gene, If liberation from demonic spirits isn't a gift from God, then who is responsible for it? I can't image that it's Satan - can you? Deliverance is a part of the healing ministry of Christ. I take it that you accept healing as a gift of the Holy Spirit? Deliverance is part of that. Andy. Satan has the power to "bind and loose". He can cause illness and can relieve it too, when it suits him to do so. A good example of this is, Let's say a man is a thief and steals from old people because they are easy targets, and he gets deathly ill. Without any sign of repentence, change of heart or compkmtyolpion for those he stole from he says God please heal me so I can get out of this hos[pital and make some money to pay for my expenses. Personally, I don't believe God hears or answers that kind of prayer.
Satan would heal this man thereby enforcing his belief that what he is doing is acceptable to God and showing hime he has no need to repent.
There are many example of this happening today in various forms and examples. Another is prayer top "Mary". mary is dead and can't hear anyone, but those who are being loosed by Satan are believing "Mary" did it and they stay in their Marian cult and continue to worship "her". I believe those people are lost and will continue to be lost until they see the truth and repent. Satan is a master of deception and knows what it takes to deceive. It is only in the truth of the scriptures that men are safe from him. He knows that and that is why he continues to cause confusion on what the bible actually says. All miracles aren't from God. The supernatural isn't a sign of God because Satan has supernatural powers. I believe the only thing Satan had taken from him was the ability to read minds. [/color][/quote] "Then was brought unto Him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and He healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: and if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." - Matthew, ch.12, vv.22-32 Andy.
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Post by genesda on Jun 16, 2004 6:35:56 GMT -5
"Then was brought unto Him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and He healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: and if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." - Matthew, ch.12, vv.22-32 Andy. O.K., what's the point? I'm assuming you've missed what I was trying to say. Would you rather die in Christ or be healed by Satan? All healing doesn't come from God. We have the biblical example of a woman who was "bound" by Satan. Jesus "loosed" her before Satan could use her. Satan still uses many people today and they don't even know it. Example: The bible never speaks of natural immortailty, yet pastors are preaching this pagan lie in their churches to people who think they are hearing the gospel as given by God. Now, who do you think would inspire this lie? Read Eze. 18:4 and you will find that souls die. Souls, which is just another word for living beings are not immortal. There is no such thing as an "immortal soul". that phrase is nowhere in the bible.
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