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Post by trentroy on Aug 25, 2003 12:34:56 GMT -5
Trentroy, I don't think Sjudy has LOST anything....but illusion. Her FAITH, imho, from conversations I have had with her...is still rather strong. I always have to wonder about this...so maybe you all can enlighten me. First, the word Jerusalem means the "teaching of peace." So when I hear of prophecy for "Jerusalem," I don't think of some little land pkmtyolm..I think of the "doctrine" (if you will) of the 'teaching of peace." In the Bible, the Hebrews were wanderers. Many others were always in excile, running, fleeing, seeking, "going out." No one was EVER in a SET wordly location. Even in the time of the apostles, they were "sent out into the world" to bring the teaching of peace, and the gospel of love. (fascinating read, with this understanding, by the way is Luke 13). It is VERY simple...Jesus taught one thing and one thing only, and yet that ONE thing was amazing to all who saw it... You all are awestruck with this image of Him being God Himself walking amongst the people...working miracles, and bringing salvation. That is wonderful and has AWESOME imagery, I agree. But if you could only realize the beautiful simplicity of His message...how SIMPLE it really is. You would see that it is even more awesome, in that God spoke through THIS MAN, and said TRUTH. Absolute unquestionable truth. Love is it. You are not responsible for ANYONE but YOURSELF, but YOU....YOU is a LOT to be concerned with. Because YOU are not "contained." You reach people in various ways, albeit "good" or "bad." So how do YOU want to affect the world around you? Do you want to TRY to contain yourself FROM it, so that you have your "happy little box" of people "containted" in a building that symbolizes their "salvation" and "holiness" (which simply means their SEPARATENESS...being APART from...) From WHAT have you TRULY been saved? This was the mistake of all the Pharisees. Do you want to try to GO OUT into the world, and be AS the world? This was the mistake of the pagans... The "way" that Jesus taught was simply this..to go to the world, the lost, the hurt, the angry, etc...not to fear them, not to hide from them, not to avoid them...but SIMPLY to LOVE THEM. Never did He seek to HARM them, no matter HOW terrible their sin...NEVER did He gossip, never did He attack, never did He look down upon any of them. Yet even as He sought to "serve the world," they ALL looked up to Him. They ALL looked up, but some with FEAR (those who sought to have Him killed) and some with WONDER (those who FOLLOWED Him)...yet ALL looked up to the MAN who sought to SERVE them ALL. Do you not see how He accomplished what He did? And when you realize that no MATTER WHAT another does to you, the ANSWER ALWAYS is to LOVE THEM, to live in Jerusalem (or the teaching of peace)...then you find that it IS a narrow gaite...it IS a little leaven that leavens the whole lump...Because in EVERYTHING you do...there is always ONLY ONE way to be...peaceful and loving. The way, the truth, the life. And it doesn't take new agers coming along converting people of this...it isn't something I could convince any of you of....no matter HOW HARD I tried. The ONLY "conviction" comes from within, and the only way to "teach" this is to LIVE it. If you all feel that people are being "led astray" from your message, then I would certainly ask if you are truly living what you believe? Because it is THAT conflict that causes people to "convert" from it...if you cannot live what YOU believe, how do you expect another to? For one thing, I don't think anyone was purposely leading anyone else astray. There are many different viewpoints on the board, especially regarding prophecy, as many as we have posters. They were stating their opinions, as I state mine. I felt bad that she was changing her ideas because of a few other peoples views on the end times having already happened. It's all conjecture, I don't know exactly what is going to happen, or when. I just guess, as everyone else does. How we believe end times will play out (even those that think it already did), has nothing to do with our salvation, so that's why her change of mind confuses me. I don't even know what her big change is, but hopefully, she still sees Christ as the only way. If her change is doctrine, well, I don't agree with a lot of doctrine anyway. Doctrine doesn't matter, Christ matters. If He is in your heart and soul, nothing else matters. If she has given up on Christ because of a few people who have this weird idea that end times have already happened, that matters. That matters a lot.
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 12:37:18 GMT -5
Rudness seems not to be isolated to any one group of anything around here. It seems to me that the most rude people were banned for two weeks - see how much more "civil" things have been lately? Civil for you maybe, but not for ME. [/color] An 'area' was something I had suggested that was shot down, I guess [/color] Oh yes, it's happened. I will NOT single anyone out like that though. It serves no purpose, I only need to answer to 1 person, and that's Jesus Christ.
PIC, Bill [/color]
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Post by outlawgirl3464 on Aug 25, 2003 12:59:25 GMT -5
Terri and all: Y'all must know that I haven't been "fed" anything. No one was trying to get thru to me. Something occurred to me on July 27th, at 1:39 pm. You can read it if you like. You can see exactly where it happened. Its post #18, prophecy guild, Revelation Fulfilled? thread. It was at that moment that my soul shattered. That's when my belief system came crashing down around me. I felt it. It was physical. It was terrifying at that moment. It had nothing to do with "New Agers". I don't know how many times I can say that. And yes, I sought advice from many sources. On both sides of the equation. But it still makes little sense to me. I am not on a road to hell. I know that many of you believe I am. I'm sorry you feel this way. And I truly appreciate all of your concern. Blessings to you all, Shirley Shirley, I went there and I read....still unsure of how you came to this revelation?
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Post by Citizen on Aug 25, 2003 13:10:22 GMT -5
Terri and all: Y'all must know that I haven't been "fed" anything. No one was trying to get thru to me. Something occurred to me on July 27th, at 1:39 pm. You can read it if you like. You can see exactly where it happened. Its post #18, prophecy guild, Revelation Fulfilled? thread. It was at that moment that my soul shattered. That's when my belief system came crashing down around me. I felt it. It was physical. It was terrifying at that moment. It had nothing to do with "New Agers". I don't know how many times I can say that. And yes, I sought advice from many sources. On both sides of the equation. But it still makes little sense to me. I am not on a road to hell. I know that many of you believe I am. I'm sorry you feel this way. And I truly appreciate all of your concern. Blessings to you all, Shirley Hi, Shirley ... thank you for directing me to the thread! To be very honest, what happened to you is exactly why I don't spend much time studying prophecy. There are SO MANY opinions out there ... so different from each other! I guess I look at it this way ... there are two things I can know for certain from the prophetic messages: 1. There IS right & wrong, Godly and worldly. We need to understand which is which, and that starts with the Bible. 2. JESUS WILL COME AGAIN. That's a promise! We weren't just left here on our own ... no matter what happens in this world, He will come for those of us who KNOW HIM. Other than that, I focus on today ... here ... now ... what does God want of me now? He is teaching me HOW to follow Him and HOW to hear His voice; HOW to know it is HIM, and not a deceiver. That gives me confidence that whatever the future holds, as long as I follow Him, I'll be ok! Blessings to you, Shirley!
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Post by IamLight on Aug 25, 2003 13:18:22 GMT -5
Thank You all my Christian Brothers and Sisters for standing by me on this one. I guess that the new agers got thru to one of our Sisters....and Satan is definitely on the warpath. And I'm ready for battle. Outlaw, I guess you haven't been reading Sjudy's posts. IT's NOT about "anyone" "getting throught" to her. It's her own self, her own guidance breaking through in my opinion. This isn't some Satan at work cohercing her or others to do some evil work. Geesh!
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Post by Maranata on Aug 25, 2003 13:53:27 GMT -5
Hi SJudy,
I see that you have several sugestions to you from several sides. And I will like just to say that "YES" the desicion is yours alone! No matter what we say or anyone say to you GOD still in controll, and not your will or mine or anybody elses will, will be done, but GOD will!
We may fight and as children will radle and pout and try to do what ever it takes to get away with what we want, is always going to be what GOD decides for us.
I am not going to convince you or tell you if what you are doing is right or wrong, is not my position to do so. You know your life and situation as well as GOD does.
We can try to read other books and to listen to other music, or play with what makes us happier, at the end we know that the dishes have to be clean and the bed have to be made, as well as all the chores that we need to do. That is the way that the Lord will aloud us to know His way.
The Lord will aloud you to look around and to see other things, but you know deep in your heart where home is!
I put my self every day on the hands of the Lord and let Him guide me in my walk. I know my chores and responsabilities but as His child I leave the mayor decissions to Him. I feel secure and in peace when ever i walk and play in this back yard that is the world. Because I know that ABBA is waching over me as well as my big brother Jesus Christ. Every one in the neighborhood knows my big brother Jesus that even the worst of the bullies fear Him and respect Him.
You know your heart and your decission and I just ask to pray (I am sure you have done it already), sometimes Christianity is not for everyone to follow. And I ask also that if you hear ABBA calling your name do not ignore the voice and answer, Here I am Lord! ;D
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 14:16:17 GMT -5
Christianity is not for everyone to follow. What do you mean by that Andy?
PIC, Bill [/color]
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Post by Kee on Aug 25, 2003 15:11:59 GMT -5
What do you mean by that Andy?
PIC, Bill [/color][/quote] Ooooo, I'm gonna take a guess because I pay attention. He means because it is written and he believes!!
Did I get it right, Andy? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by IamLight on Aug 25, 2003 15:19:41 GMT -5
Bill, the rudeness comes from they have no respect for true Christians.....they don't believe the way we do....so instead of sticking with an area as you suggested....they come into the other threads and lead Baby Christians away.... This just isn't true. Not at all. This thread was started by Sjudy. I don't understand this "sticking with an area" comment. And NO ONE is elading anyone else away.
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Post by CatholicChristian on Aug 25, 2003 15:20:06 GMT -5
Shirley,
What I am going to say, I am saying from the heart - and this is to YOU. I don't mean this in any negative way to you because you have always been wonderful to me and I care about our friendship. But, I would feel remiss if I didn't say something to you.
Up until that fateful day when you read that post, you NEVER seemed to me to be faltering or questioning your faith or where your soul was - it didn't seem to be shattered. I say this because I have SEEN your posts. They were filled with wisdom, faith, and the Holy Spirit poured from you - it seemed to fill you with everything you said and did. Yes, you asked questions that you were unsure of, but we all do. You seemed to find the answers to your questions from the right people and appeared to be happy and confident in your replies.
After reading what turned your soul into shattered pieces, I cannot help but wonder why that one post would have you question what appeared to be your unfailing belief in our Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.
Many people have different interpretations of the end times. HOW it ends isn't so important - and doesn't affect ones salvation. But in no way can it be interpreted as having already happened. This would mean that Jesus abandoned us, and He clearly states that He will NOT. (I am not going to post scripture - enough people have done that).
What I want for you is to not lose what has always been in you. Don't lose what you had by over-analyzing what the Bible tells you to be true and what you know to be true - that there is ONE and ONLY ONE way to heaven and that is through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
I am going to give you a question and answer from a conversation I recently had with someone - I know they won't mind.
Them: If we can't lose our salvation, then what do we have to lose?
Me: We lose everything if we lose our salvation and if your faith is strong, with the grace of God, you won't lose it. But I don't believe OSAS because it CAN be lost - you can choose to give the gift back.
Them: I think what you said is, we can't lose it but we can throw it away. No one can pluck us out of His hand, but we can jump out. At the resurrection, when God gives us to Christ, He will lose none of us.
That is what I want for you. To find your way back to when you BELIEVED this.
It is not hopeless. We turn away but He doesn't. He is always there, waiting with outstreched arms. Please find your way to those loving arms again.
My most heartfelt blessings to you.
CC
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Post by Maranata on Aug 25, 2003 15:25:03 GMT -5
What do you mean by that Andy?
PIC, Bill [/color][/quote] Bill do not get offended I just see Matthew 22 14 For many are invited, but few are chosen. GBY ybiC
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 16:37:15 GMT -5
Bill do not get offended I just see Matthew 22 14 For many are invited, but few are chosen. GBY ybiC Oh, ok. I was not offended, it just wasn't clear what you meant. Since I was unsure, instead of jumping to conclusions the way so many people do, I asked you to clarify for me.
PIC, Bill [/color]
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Post by Agape on Aug 25, 2003 18:06:48 GMT -5
They have no respect for true Christians? How many true Christians do you see respecting each other? Would everyone knock it off with this """"they scare baby Christians off or lead them away"""""If anyone is guilty of that it's BBB and his followers, they have me questioning my faith and what I believe now, I don't want their God, I don't want to be anything like them, I have seen so many Christians lie on this board and say some pretty disgusting things and I end up so angry and hurt I LASH back at them, I don't even know what to believe anymore but I do know that the new agers have treated me with more respect then those christians I mentioned and they have never ever tried to lead me away, I am being pushed away by CHRISTIANS!!!!! Everybody says they came to this message board to fellowship with other Christians, then do it, don't talk to people that have different beliefs then you do. Nobody is forcing anyone to do that!!!! If you want to fellowship with true Christians then stick with Maranata, HITR, citizen, devil disturber, and I know there's others but I can't think of their names, hit the ignore button and ignore people. Even new agers have morals you know, just like us Christians, they might not all believe in the bible but I bet ya they believe in living the words of the bible, you know, as in the 10 commandments!!! Some of them even understand the bible and have glanced at it a few times
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 18:08:59 GMT -5
If you want to fellowship with true Christians then stick with Maranata, HITR, citizen, devil disturber, and I know there's others but I can't think of their names, hit the ignore button and ignore people. Gee, you left me out. Oh well
PIC, Bill [/color]
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Post by Charis on Aug 25, 2003 18:31:07 GMT -5
To keep things simple - here's the post Shirley is referring to. It is her answering Parousia.
on 07/27/03 at 11:13am, parousia70 wrote:In that parable, Who does the master return to? The servant's descendants, thousands of years removed? NO He returns to the very servants he left!
Jesus returned to the very servants He left, just as He promised.
Shirley: Then that leaves us with nothing. He returned all of Revelation fulfilled, what are we doing here? We are nothing. We are not even descendants of the heirs. Its all for nothing.
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