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Post by mook2357 on Aug 25, 2003 10:45:58 GMT -5
I was happy for you until I discovered that this came about by the "already happened" theory. For one thing, that's only a theory, a flawed one at that. I personally think it's total nonsense, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. For one thing, Israel became a nation again in 1948, so it could not have happened prior to that. Second, can you truly believe the 1,000 reign of Christ ever happened on this earth? No war, no hate, a world under the reign of Christ? Of course not. It did not happen, but I truly believe it will in our lifetime. The thing is, I was wanting your advise on how to find "me" again. I got lost somewhere in mom, wife, secretary, grandma, and I can't seem to find "me". But if losing my faith is the price, then the cost is too high. I really don't understand how finding "you" would negate Christ's role in your life. I guess I just don't get it. Trentroy, I don't think Sjudy has LOST anything....but illusion. Her FAITH, imho, from conversations I have had with her...is still rather strong. I always have to wonder about this...so maybe you all can enlighten me.  First, the word Jerusalem means the "teaching of peace." So when I hear of prophecy for "Jerusalem," I don't think of some little land pkmtyolm..I think of the "doctrine" (if you will) of the 'teaching of peace." In the Bible, the Hebrews were wanderers. Many others were always in excile, running, fleeing, seeking, "going out." No one was EVER in a SET wordly location. Even in the time of the apostles, they were "sent out into the world" to bring the teaching of peace, and the gospel of love. (fascinating read, with this understanding, by the way is Luke 13). It is VERY simple...Jesus taught one thing and one thing only, and yet that ONE thing was amazing to all who saw it... You all are awestruck with this image of Him being God Himself walking amongst the people...working miracles, and bringing salvation. That is wonderful and has AWESOME imagery, I agree. But if you could only realize the beautiful simplicity of His message...how SIMPLE it really is. You would see that it is even more awesome, in that God spoke through THIS MAN, and said TRUTH. Absolute unquestionable truth. Love is it. You are not responsible for ANYONE but YOURSELF, but YOU....YOU is a LOT to be concerned with. Because YOU are not "contained." You reach people in various ways, albeit "good" or "bad." So how do YOU want to affect the world around you? Do you want to TRY to contain yourself FROM it, so that you have your "happy little box" of people "containted" in a building that symbolizes their "salvation" and "holiness" (which simply means their SEPARATENESS...being APART from...) From WHAT have you TRULY been saved? This was the mistake of all the Pharisees. Do you want to try to GO OUT into the world, and be AS the world? This was the mistake of the pagans... The "way" that Jesus taught was simply this..to go to the world, the lost, the hurt, the angry, etc...not to fear them, not to hide from them, not to avoid them...but SIMPLY to LOVE THEM. Never did He seek to HARM them, no matter HOW terrible their sin...NEVER did He gossip, never did He attack, never did He look down upon any of them. Yet even as He sought to "serve the world," they ALL looked up to Him. They ALL looked up, but some with FEAR (those who sought to have Him killed) and some with WONDER (those who FOLLOWED Him)...yet ALL looked up to the MAN who sought to SERVE them ALL. Do you not see how He accomplished what He did? And when you realize that no MATTER WHAT another does to you, the ANSWER ALWAYS is to LOVE THEM, to live in Jerusalem (or the teaching of peace)...then you find that it IS a narrow gaite...it IS a little leaven that leavens the whole lump...Because in EVERYTHING you do...there is always ONLY ONE way to be...peaceful and loving. The way, the truth, the life.  And it doesn't take new agers coming along converting people of this...it isn't something I could convince any of you of....no matter HOW HARD I tried. The ONLY "conviction" comes from within, and the only way to "teach" this is to LIVE it. If you all feel that people are being "led astray" from your message, then I would certainly ask if you are truly living what you believe? Because it is THAT conflict that causes people to "convert" from it...if you cannot live what YOU believe, how do you expect another to? |
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 10:48:23 GMT -5
Besides the fact you have no CLUE about what all has been entailed in any conversations, nor what those sources may have said, or how they have offered their support, you are making false assumptions here billbo. For instance, you wouldn't know that one of the first things I told Shirley was that if she felt she needed to speak with a Christian, then I would like to recommend someone I knew would listen and not be judgmental. I also rpkmtyoleured her that the one she was already speaking to is a very good guy and would do those things too.
So you see -- you have no clue, and clearly you haven't been listening to her. Thankfully, there are several people in her corner who are and will continue to listen to her concerns and support her in any way we can. That's because we are more interested in the well-being of the person over everything else. This is not about YOU, or any of you -- it is about Shirley.
why do you come at me all defensive & aggressive? I simply told her that she is seeking advice from the wrong sources, when she consults with people that do not believe in Jesus Christ's resurrection for our sins. I stand by that statement. Attack me all you like, I shall not waver & glady suffer persecution with & for my Lord & Saviour.[/color] Mathew 5:10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. John 15:20Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. Jeremiah 17:18Let my persecutors be put to shame, but keep me from shame; let them be terrified, but keep me from terror. Bring on them the day of disaster; destroy them with double destruction. Deuteronomy 30:7The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. PIC, Bill[/color] |
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 10:49:42 GMT -5
Bilbo you make it sound like these people are so weak minded they cant form an opinion by themselves. Know one can make any decision for another, this is something they must accomplish on their own. There is no hidden agenda here, no brownie points from the "devil" if we recuit. Everyone needs to find their own way in this world Different avenues explored, this is how we learn and grow.
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Post by mook2357 on Aug 25, 2003 10:55:37 GMT -5
Christ tells me that MANY shall be led astray & I believe him.
PIC, Bill [/color][/quote] yes, they are Bill, but they are led to believe that there is JUSTIFICATION for their "evil." Simply put. |
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 10:57:14 GMT -5
I don't understand why you are debating with me mook, have you read my words? Do you DISAGREE that Christ is the only way to heaven? If you don't then you have no reason to be debating me.
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Post by mook2357 on Aug 25, 2003 11:13:35 GMT -5
I don't understand why you are debating with me mook, have you read my words? Do you DISAGREE that Christ is the only way to heaven? If you don't then you have no reason to be debating me.
PIC, Bill [/color][/quote] I don't disagree with the words, but I do disagree with what those words are used to justify. (not necessarily by you...but in general). |
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Post by Kee on Aug 25, 2003 11:23:16 GMT -5
Now see...
why do you come at me all defensive & aggressive? I simply told her that she is seeking advice from the wrong sources, when she consults with people that do not believe in Jesus Christ's resurrection for our sins. I stand by that statement. Attack me all you like, I shall not waver & glady suffer persecution with & for my Lord & Saviour. [/color][/quote] I'm not being defensive, aggressive, nor am I attacking you. I am correcting your false assertions by giving you some of the facts. I'm sorry that it just doesn't line up with what you wish to believe.
The quickest way to prove beliefs are false is to make presumptions through that belief that do not equate to anything that is really transpiring. In that regard, many of you are doing an excellent job. |
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 11:23:40 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the words, but I do disagree with what those words are used to justify. (not necessarily by you...but in general).  I say what I mean & I mean what I say. No reading between the lines with me! ;D
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 11:26:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry that it just doesn't line up with what you wish to believe.
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Post by kenosis on Aug 25, 2003 11:55:52 GMT -5
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Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies. (Psalms 103:2-4)[/glow]
I think that we should all show LOVE one toward another.
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Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
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Post by Kee on Aug 25, 2003 12:02:42 GMT -5
Well, please don't address my posts specifically when you are making generalisations. I think you are aiming them at ME when you do that. Everyone who knows me, knows that I don't beat around the bush I say what I mean & I mean what I say. No reading between the lines with me! ;D
PIC, Bil [/color][/quote] Billbo I am not going to belabor this with you, but I will address YOUR post when you make an untrue statement. You stated that the advice Shirley was getting was WRONG. Okay then have it your way.....recommending she talk to one of the most respected Christians here on this board was WRONG advice then according to you. Geesh....some of you just don't listen at all. And you wonder why people turn from what you offer?? |
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 12:07:08 GMT -5
Billbo I am not going to belabor this with you, but I will address YOUR post when you make an untrue statement. You stated that the advice Shirley was getting was WRONG. Okay then have it your way.....recommending she talk to one of the most respected Christians here on this board was WRONG advice then according to you. Geesh....some of you just don't listen at all. And you wonder why people turn from what you offer??
Why do you respond to a post directed at somebody else??
Secondly... why do you presume to think I am referring to you AT ALL when I addressed SJudy w/my post!? Are you the ONLY one she has been speaking with? Please... stop assuming things, OK? Try & be a little nicer as well. It won't kill you.
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Post by outlawgirl3464 on Aug 25, 2003 12:12:49 GMT -5
Christ tells me that MANY shall be led astray & I believe him.
PIC, Bill [/color][/quote] Yes Bill, I agree 100% and they are being led astray right off this message board.....when was Satan allowed a place to rest here? |
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Post by outlawgirl3464 on Aug 25, 2003 12:18:28 GMT -5
First of all...
Why do you respond to a post directed at somebody else??
Secondly... why do you presume to think I am referring to you AT ALL when I addressed SJudy w/my post!? Are you the ONLY one she has been speaking with? Please... stop assuming things, OK? Try & be a little nicer as well. It won't kill you.
PIC, Bill [/color] [/quote] Bill, the rudeness comes from they have no respect for true Christians.....they don't believe the way we do....so instead of sticking with an area as you suggested....they come into the other threads and lead Baby Christians away.... And why not?.....there's been so much out and out fighting amongst true Christians that non-believer's...new agers....baby Christians....it scares them off. I came to this message board for some real conversations and fellowship with other Christians....I had NO desire to be conversing with anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way..... Well, anyway....sorry that I vented on you. Evil is just running amuck (sp).... |
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Post by heathen76 on Aug 25, 2003 12:33:09 GMT -5
Bill, the rudeness comes from they have no respect for true Christians.....they don't believe the way we do....so instead of sticking with an area as you suggested....they come into the other threads and lead Baby Christians away 1.) I respect everyone no matter their religious views. Don't generalize. 2.) Rudness seems not to be isolated to any one group of anything around here. It seems to me that the most rude people were banned for two weeks - see how much more "civil" things have been lately? 3.) There is no "area" to stick to. 4.) Nobody is leading anybody anywhere. I've seen no evidence to the contrary. Examples? |
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I say what I mean & I mean what I say. No reading between the lines with me! ;D