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Post by genesda on Apr 19, 2004 4:16:05 GMT -5
Message of March 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today, I call you to open yourselves to prayer. Especially now, in this time of grace, open your hearts, little children, and express your love to the Crucified. Only in this way, will you discover peace, and prayer will begin to flow from your heart into the world. Be an example, little children, and an incentive for the good. I am close to you and I love you all. Thank you for having responded to my call." 03/2004 "I", "I" and "My" [/color] Annual Apparition To Mirjana - March 18, 2004: "Dear children! Also today, watching you with a heart full of love, I desire to tell you that what you persistently seek, what you long for, my little children, is before you. It is sufficient that, in a cleaned heart, you place my Son in the first place, and then you will be able to see. Listen to me and permit me to lead you to this in a motherly way." "me" , "me" [/color] Message of January 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today I call you to pray. Pray, little children, in a special way for all those who have not come to know God’s love. Pray that their hearts may open and draw closer to my heart and the Heart of my Son Jesus, so that we can transform them into people of peace and love. Thank you for having responded to my call." 01/2004 "my" , "we" and "my"
Mary has no part in anything that goes on under the sun, as the bible explains. She also has no part in "leading" anyone anywhere.
These three are mild examples of the messages that are sent by Satan to those who are deceived. Satan is setting up Rc people for gthe great deception of the impersonation of Jesus.
I wouldn't be surprised if just before Satan appears as Jesus that there will be some message such as ," Jesus is coming in a few days, be ready to receive Him".
Those who have been tricked will fall and worship the impersonator because they have discarded the truth of the bible andf have replaced it with what their senses tell them is true.
Miracles is not a sign that they are from God. Satan can work miracles too, as the bible explains. The only way to tell truth from lies is to have the word of God as an over ruling foundation as to what's right.
A good rule is that anything that is contrary to scripture, originates with Satan.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 19, 2004 7:42:01 GMT -5
Message of March 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today, I call you to open yourselves to prayer. Especially now, in this time of grace, open your hearts, little children, and express your love to the Crucified. Only in this way, will you discover peace, and prayer will begin to flow from your heart into the world. Be an example, little children, and an incentive for the good. I am close to you and I love you all. Thank you for having responded to my call." 03/2004 "I", "I" and "My" [/color] Oh NO! You are right. How dare she say "I am close you, I love you, Thank you for having responded to my call"!!!!!....(dripping in sarcasm)Annual Apparition To Mirjana - March 18, 2004: "Dear children! Also today, watching you with a heart full of love, I desire to tell you that what you persistently seek, what you long for, my little children, is before you. It is sufficient that, in a cleaned heart, you place my Son in the first place, and then you will be able to see. Listen to me and permit me to lead you to this in a motherly way." "me" , "me" [/color] Still drawing attention on other words to miss the main point, huh?...."It is sufficient that, in a cleaned heart, you place my Son in the first place, and then you will be able to see."Message of January 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today I call you to pray. Pray, little children, in a special way for all those who have not come to know God’s love. Pray that their hearts may open and draw closer to my heart and the Heart of my Son Jesus, so that we can transform them into people of peace and love. Thank you for having responded to my call." 01/2004 "my" , "we" and "my"
See above.
Mary has no part in anything that goes on under the sun, as the bible explains. She also has no part in "leading" anyone anywhere.
These three are mild examples of the messages that are sent by Satan to those who are deceived. Satan is setting up Rc people for gthe great deception of the impersonation of Jesus.
I wouldn't be surprised if just before Satan appears as Jesus that there will be some message such as ," Jesus is coming in a few days, be ready to receive Him".
Those who have been tricked will fall and worship the impersonator because they have discarded the truth of the bible andf have replaced it with what their senses tell them is true.
Miracles is not a sign that they are from God. Satan can work miracles too, as the bible explains. The only way to tell truth from lies is to have the word of God as an over ruling foundation as to what's right.
A good rule is that anything that is contrary to scripture, originates with Satan.
[/color] [/quote] I agree that anything contrary to scripture is agaist what Jesus taught. What in these pkmtyolpages is contrary to Jesus' teachings. He said "follow me". that is is what Mary is saying, here, to "follow him". As for if there were such a message that He was coming in a few days...I would be surpised and would be on guard.That is why there have been so many purported sightings of Mary and the Church investigates them for years before approving or disapproving them. If they do not follow the teachings of Christ they are disapproved. If they are approved it just means that the message is in line with Scripture.
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Post by genesda on Apr 19, 2004 8:52:18 GMT -5
I agree that anything contrary to scripture is agaist what Jesus taught. What in these pkmtyolpages is contrary to Jesus' teachings. He said "follow me". that is is what Mary is saying, here, to "follow him". As for if there were such a message that He was coming in a few days...I would be surpised and would be on guard.That is why there have been so many purported sightings of Mary and the Church investigates them for years before approving or disapproving them. If they do not follow the teachings of Christ they are disapproved. If they are approved it just means that the message is in line with Scripture.
Blessings,
Ann The simple fact that "Mary" is appearing is contrary to scripture! She always makes "herself" important in the sayings, which is wrong since she is nothing in the plan of salvation.
There are other sayings where "Mary" is more forceful about "her role", actually stating unbiblical positions as though scripture has changed.
Jesus has already stated that no one would return from the dead to be a witness. You just refuse to accept God's word in favor of that which you wish to be true.
Ann, you're wishing for something that isn't true. You're setting yourself up to accept the ultimate deception.
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Post by marysia on Apr 19, 2004 9:15:10 GMT -5
Message of March 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today, I call you to open yourselves to prayer. Especially now, in this time of grace, open your hearts, little children, and express your love to the Crucified. Only in this way, will you discover peace, and prayer will begin to flow from your heart into the world. Be an example, little children, and an incentive for the good. I am close to you and I love you all. Thank you for having responded to my call." 03/2004 "I", "I" and "My" [/color] Annual Apparition To Mirjana - March 18, 2004: "Dear children! Also today, watching you with a heart full of love, I desire to tell you that what you persistently seek, what you long for, my little children, is before you. It is sufficient that, in a cleaned heart, you place my Son in the first place, and then you will be able to see. Listen to me and permit me to lead you to this in a motherly way." "me" , "me" [/color] Message of January 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today I call you to pray. Pray, little children, in a special way for all those who have not come to know God’s love. Pray that their hearts may open and draw closer to my heart and the Heart of my Son Jesus, so that we can transform them into people of peace and love. Thank you for having responded to my call." 01/2004 "my" , "we" and "my"
Mary has no part in anything that goes on under the sun, as the bible explains. She also has no part in "leading" anyone anywhere.
These three are mild examples of the messages that are sent by Satan to those who are deceived. Satan is setting up Rc people for gthe great deception of the impersonation of Jesus.
I wouldn't be surprised if just before Satan appears as Jesus that there will be some message such as ," Jesus is coming in a few days, be ready to receive Him".
Those who have been tricked will fall and worship the impersonator because they have discarded the truth of the bible andf have replaced it with what their senses tell them is true.
Miracles is not a sign that they are from God. Satan can work miracles too, as the bible explains. The only way to tell truth from lies is to have the word of God as an over ruling foundation as to what's right.
A good rule is that anything that is contrary to scripture, originates with Satan.
[/color] [/quote] i, me, my, yes i believe those are pronouns one uses when they are speaking their own words. notice she says people have to come to CHrist. gene, do you see she says nothing about becoming an Rcc or any other "denomination" in particular -- she begs only for people to come to Christ. i have full faith in God and that He will use any means necessary to give people the wake up call to "come home" and have faith in Him, His Divine Mercy and Love for each and every one of us. i won't put limitations on just what God can do. |
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Post by genesda on Apr 19, 2004 9:26:22 GMT -5
i, me, my, yes i believe those are pronouns one uses when they are speaking their own words. notice she says people have to come to CHrist. gene, do you see she says nothing about becoming an Rcc or any other "denomination" in particular -- she begs only for people to come to Christ. i have full faith in God and that He will use any means necessary to give people the wake up call to "come home" and have faith in Him, His Divine Mercy and Love for each and every one of us. i won't put limitations on just what God can do. Mary is dead and in her grave awaiting Jesus' return as is David, the apostles, and all others who died in a saved condition.
Mary is dead, so who is speaking these words??
Would you really expect Satan to step and say, "I'm Satan. Follow me and worship me".
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Post by marysia on Apr 19, 2004 9:45:27 GMT -5
i, me, my, yes i believe those are pronouns one uses when they are speaking their own words. notice she says people have to come to CHrist. gene, do you see she says nothing about becoming an Rcc or any other "denomination" in particular -- she begs only for people to come to Christ. i have full faith in God and that He will use any means necessary to give people the wake up call to "come home" and have faith in Him, His Divine Mercy and Love for each and every one of us. i won't put limitations on just what God can do. Mary is dead and in her grave awaiting Jesus' return as is David, the apostles, and all others who died in a saved condition.
Mary is dead, so who is speaking these words??
Would you really expect Satan to step and say, "I'm Satan. Follow me and worship me".
[/color][/quote] gene you are correct i would not expect satans to just step up - he's too chicken for that. however i do NOT believe that he would send ANYONE to say -- hey listen if you pray to Christ and accept Christ you are saved. You have to pray to Chirst our RIsen Lord and Saviour. you really think satan would allow that?!? also i have to question - gene, you really think satan can bring someone forward yet God can not? God has sent angels to people before, my gracious He sent us His Son. i just truly believe He is trying to get people to wake up and smell the coffee. if the Rcc is as you say, the antichrist, then wouldn't this person you speak of be telling people they have to believe in her or even moreso, become an Rcc?? |
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Post by genesda on Apr 19, 2004 10:52:46 GMT -5
gene you are correct i would not expect satans to just step up - he's too chicken for that. however i do NOT believe that he would send ANYONE to say -- hey listen if you pray to Christ and accept Christ you are saved. You have to pray to Chirst our RIsen Lord and Saviour. you really think satan would allow that?!? You do not understand Satan. He can tell you to pray to Jesus all day long, but you have Jesus' words and if you pray to Him while living a sinful lifestyle, what good is it?
Jesus came to save people FROM their sins, not IN their sins. What you believe is importabnt and that's why you must rely on God's word and not the words of men. [/color] also i have to question - gene, you really think satan can bring someone forward yet God can not? I don't understand this question. [/color] God has sent angels to people before, my gracious He sent us His Son. i just truly believe He is trying to get people to wake up and smell the coffee. if the Rcc is as you say, the antichrist, then wouldn't this person you speak of be telling people they have to believe in her or even moreso, become an Rcc?? Do you not read the quotes from your Rcc that I post? When "Mary" tells you "we", "I", "me", what is that saying? "All graces come to man through Mary"etc. What is that saying? [/color] |
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Post by marysia on Apr 19, 2004 11:13:33 GMT -5
gene you are correct i would not expect satans to just step up - he's too chicken for that. however i do NOT believe that he would send ANYONE to say -- hey listen if you pray to Christ and accept Christ you are saved. You have to pray to Chirst our RIsen Lord and Saviour. you really think satan would allow that?!? You do not understand Satan. He can tell you to pray to Jesus all day long, but you have Jesus' words and if you pray to Him while living a sinful lifestyle, what good is it?
Jesus came to save people FROM their sins, not IN their sins. What you believe is importabnt and that's why you must rely on God's word and not the words of men. [/color] yup, there we will have to just differ. i do not believe that satan would try to persuade people to come to Christ -- to say fully that the only way to be happy, to live to have fulfillment, to have eternal life - is through the life and death of Christ. it says in the bible that any spirit that speaks that Christ has come in the flesh is of God. gene, why would satan want people to open their hearts and minds to Christ? if a person turns themselves over the Christ - living a sinful lifestyle is no longer (or should no longer) be a desire. sure one will still sin from time to time - growing fewer and fewer as time comes along. so i don't understand where your comment about praying all day... also i have to question - gene, you really think satan can bring someone forward yet God can not? I don't understand this question. [/color] you keep saying Mary is dead and can't come back - however - my question is - if satan can "use" someone do you really think God couldn't? God has sent angels to people before, my gracious He sent us His Son. i just truly believe He is trying to get people to wake up and smell the coffee. if the Rcc is as you say, the antichrist, then wouldn't this person you speak of be telling people they have to believe in her or even moreso, become an Rcc?? Do you not read the quotes from your Rcc that I post? When "Mary" tells you "we", "I", "me", what is that saying? "All graces come to man through Mary"etc. What is that saying? [/color][/quote] in none of the visionary information i've read she will say something like - come to me and i will show you how to pray, how to accept Christ. she's not telling people she can do anything, just trying to get people to open their hearts and minds to Christ, our Risen Lord. when Mary says - I can help you - notice she says nothing about i can save you. you comment about graces through Mary -- we were talking about the visionaries and i've not heard anything about her saying that at Fatima, Lourdes or Med. i know in the medj. book that i read -- she begs and pleads with people to come to Christ. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 19, 2004 12:06:52 GMT -5
gene you are correct i would not expect satans to just step up - he's too chicken for that. however i do NOT believe that he would send ANYONE to say -- hey listen if you pray to Christ and accept Christ you are saved. You have to pray to Chirst our RIsen Lord and Saviour. you really think satan would allow that?!? You do not understand Satan. He can tell you to pray to Jesus all day long, but you have Jesus' words and if you pray to Him while living a sinful lifestyle, what good is it?
Jesus came to save people FROM their sins, not IN their sins. What you believe is importabnt and that's why you must rely on God's word and not the words of men. [/color] also i have to question - gene, you really think satan can bring someone forward yet God can not? I don't understand this question. [/color] God has sent angels to people before, my gracious He sent us His Son. i just truly believe He is trying to get people to wake up and smell the coffee. if the Rcc is as you say, the antichrist, then wouldn't this person you speak of be telling people they have to believe in her or even moreso, become an Rcc?? Do you not read the quotes from your Rcc that I post? When "Mary" tells you "we", "I", "me", what is that saying? "All graces come to man through Mary"etc. What is that saying? [/color][/quote] First of all, you can not give the sourcce of these quotes so I can not see it for myself. Second of all, as is consistent with you, you are taking the word "I" out of context and. She said "I love you", "I want you to follow my son". Is that putting the emphasis on her, not at all!!! Blessings, Ann |
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Post by genesda on Apr 20, 2004 4:43:56 GMT -5
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You do not understand Satan. He can tell you to pray to Jesus all day long, but you have Jesus' words and if you pray to Him while living a sinful lifestyle, what good is it?
Jesus came to save people FROM their sins, not IN their sins. What you believe is importabnt and that's why you must rely on God's word and not the words of men.
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yup, there we will have to just differ. i do not believe that satan would try to persuade people to come to Christ -- to say fully that the only way to be happy, to live to have fulfillment, to have eternal life - is through the life and death of Christ. it says in the bible that any spirit that speaks that Christ has come in the flesh is of God. gene, why would satan want people to open their hearts and minds to Christ? if a person turns themselves over the Christ - living a sinful lifestyle is no longer (or should no longer) be a desire. sure one will still sin from time to time - growing fewer and fewer as time comes along. so i don't understand where your comment about praying all day...
You don't get it yet.
Example: Satan/Mary tells you that "she" is leading you to Jesus, but you kneel before statues, pray to the dead, and bow before certain men, all of which are sinful. "Mary" never tells you that you are sinning and this allows you to believe you are doing the right thing.
The question you should ask is why would Mary/Satan tell you to change when he has you? [/color]
also i have to question - gene, you really think satan can bring someone forward yet God can not?
[/color]bring someone forward? Who are you referring to? What are you talking about?
I don't understand this question. you keep saying Mary is dead and can't come back - however - my question is - if satan can "use" someone do you really think God couldn't?
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God has sent angels to people before, my gracious He sent us His Son. i just truly believe He is trying to get people to wake up and smell the coffee. if the Rcc is as you say, the antichrist, then wouldn't this person you speak of be telling people they have to believe in her or even moreso, become an Rcc??
Do you not read the quotes from your Rcc that I post? When "Mary" tells you "we", "I", "me", what is that saying? "All graces come to man through Mary"etc. What is that saying?
in none of the visionary information i've read she will say something like - come to me and i will show you how to pray, how to accept Christ. she's not telling people she can do anything, just trying to get people to open their hearts and minds to Christ, our Risen Lord. when Mary says - I can help you - notice she says nothing about i can save you.[/color]
June 14, 1980: "I am the Woman clothed in the sun, I am in the heart of the Most Holy Trinity."
Live in joy and confidence, because you have been marked with a seal by me and have come to form part of my property. Today I gather your little hearts
into the immense, Immaculate and Sorrowful Heart of your heavenly Mother who watches over you with delight..."
June 19, 1993: "...I have personally intervened, in an extraordinary way...because I am jealous of this Work of mine with the very jealousy of God. For it is through it that I will bring about the triumph of my
Immaculate Heart in the world..so now...my Work must shine forth with a light that becomes stronger and stronger, because the times have arrived when my Immaculate Heart must be exalted by all the Church and all humanity."
July 1, 1993: "Your heavenly Mother is glorified in you. Through you the triumph of my Immaculate heart is accomplished...I have exercised my motherly
action in a powerful way in your hearts and your souls, because you must now be ready for the mission which I am entrusting to you."
Jan 1, 1987: "I am the Rising Dawn...the Mother of all humanity.. I want to cover the whole world with the immaculate mantle of my virginal motherhood..you are beginning an extraordinary jubilee in honor of your
heavenly Mother. I am the heavenly Mother who is leading you..and bringing you to peace. I am the Queen of Peace and the rainbow of the new alliance...I
am the dawn which is arising[/u]..During these years, the Church and all of humanity will be left stupefied before the great events..which the Immaculate
Heart of your heavenly Mother will bring to you. " [/color]
These messages are not from the Mary of the bible, but from the IMPERSONATION of Mary by Satan. If you are so blind that you cannot see through the messages above and believe the words, then you are lost without hope at this point in time. Repent and turn from this idolatry. [/color]
you comment about graces through Mary -- we were talking about the visionaries and i've not heard anything about her saying that at Fatima, Lourdes or Med. i know in the medj. book that i read -- she begs and pleads with people to come to Christ.
Examine the above messages carefully and see through the words for the real meanings.
Read Isaiah 8: 19-20
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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Apr 20, 2004 9:35:22 GMT -5
As usual this has gone off topic. Let us try to steer it back. For those of you who believe in a pre-trib rapture or no rapture at all....would you allow someone to put a computer chip in you in place of a visa card? What if they said if you are not a terrorist you may take this chip and therefore be able to buy and sell. If you refuse to go through the screening process to get the chip than you must be a terrorist and must therefore be arrested and if found guilty die?
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Post by genesda on Apr 20, 2004 9:39:53 GMT -5
As usual this has gone off topic. Let us try to steer it back. For those of you who believe in a pre-trib rapture or no rapture at all....would you allow someone to put a computer chip in you in place of a visa card? What if they said if you are not a terrorist you may take this chip and therefore be able to buy and sell. If you refuse to go through the screening process to get the chip than you must be a terrorist and must therefore be arrested and if found guilty die? The question won't be over whether one is a terrorist or not. The question will revolve around God's commandments. [/color] |
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Post by Ben johnson on Apr 21, 2004 1:12:48 GMT -5
Oh my --- where to begin?
First --- what is salvation? Is there a way to be SAVED, but NOT in fellowship with Jesus, NOT walking in obedience, NOT repentant?
Second --- give me a verse, even one, that even hints of a Pre-Trib-Rapture. Just one?
Third --- those "left-behind", are the CHRISTIANS; the TAKEN in Matt24:40-41 & Luke 17:34-37, are thrown to the vultures (eagles). The "taken" are not raptured.
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Post by genesda on Apr 21, 2004 4:29:48 GMT -5
Oh my --- where to begin? First --- what is salvation? Is there a way to be SAVED, but NOT in fellowship with Jesus, NOT walking in obedience, NOT repentant? Second --- give me a verse, even one, that even hints of a Pre-Trib-Rapture. Just one? Third --- those "left-behind", are the CHRISTIANS; the TAKEN in Matt24:40-41 & Luke 17:34-37, are thrown to the vultures (eagles). The "taken" are not raptured.I have a problem with your last sentence. The "taken" refers to those who meet Jesus "in the clouds", and the rest are destroyed by the "brightness of His coming", are those who are "left" to the "eagles".
If the Christians (church) were left here to see the carnage, there would be no joy or happiness for those seeing the mess. The reason they would be "left to the vultures" is because there will be no one left here to bury the dead.
I do agree with you on the "no pre trib rapture". There will only be the second coming of Jesus.
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Post by Ben johnson on Apr 21, 2004 11:18:00 GMT -5
The context has Jesus speaking of "two men in the field, two women grinding, one taken one left." The listeners in Lk17 asked: "WHERE, Lord?" (Where are they taken to?) Jesus answered, "where the body is will vultures gather."
I don't see how He could have meant "the taken are raptured and the left-behind are killed" --- the leftbehind were in the field, in bed, grinding. Only the whereabouts of the TAKEN was in question...
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