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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 7, 2004 11:01:21 GMT -5
gene, I am aware of that fact....in fact see the St Malachy Prophecys thread that I started in Current Events or in Prophecy Guild and you will see that St. Malachy also said this, which I found quite ominous. Sr. Lucia also said in the third secret that the last Pope would be killed by many soldiers as he climbed a hill stepping over many bodies which is also what St. Malachy said. The problem that I have with your theory that Satan is impersonating Mary is that if that is true, Satan sure is converting alot of people to Jesus. I do not think that he would do that. Blessings, Ann Satan/Mary isn't bring anyone to Jesus. He is bring people to a false relifgion. This is what you will not accept. The Roman church is not a Christian church according to scriptural teachings. It calls itself Christian because a scripture is quoted and then a whole story is built around one or two verses which is contrary to what the bible actually teaches on the same subject.
Ann, do you actually believe I sit here and just think up ways to be critical of the Roman church? I assure you that is not the case. For the, I don't know how many times, what Christian church would attempt to change any of God's commandments such as the Rcc has done?? Mary is dead. We know that Satan can impersonate. read "Mary's" daily messages and see who the focus is on. It isn't Jesus. Here are a few:[/color] June 14, 1980: "I am the Woman clothed in the sun, I am in the heart of the Most Holy Trinity." Live in joy and confidence, because you have been marked with a seal by me and have come to form part of my property. Today I gather your little hearts into the immense, Immaculate and Sorrowful Heart of your heavenly Mother who watches over you with delight..." June 19, 1993: "...I have personally intervened, in an extraordinary way...because I am jealous of this Work of mine with the very jealousy of God. For it is through it that I will bring about the triumph of my Immaculate Heart in the world..so now...my Work must shine forth with a light that becomes stronger and stronger, because the times have arrived when my Immaculate Heart must be exalted by all the Church and all humanity." July 1, 1993: "Your heavenly Mother is glorified in you. Through you the triumph of my Immaculate heart is accomplished...I have exercised my motherly action in a powerful way in your hearts and your souls, because you must now be ready for the mission which I am entrusting to you." Jan 1, 1987: "I am the Rising Dawn...the Mother of all humanity.. I want to cover the whole world with the immaculate mantle of my virginal motherhood..you are beginning an extraordinary jubilee in honor of your heavenly Mother. I am the heavenly Mother who is leading you..and bringing you to peace. I am the Queen of Peace and the rainbow of the new alliance...I am the dawn which is arising..During these years, the Church and all of humanity will be left stupefied before the great events..which the Immaculate Heart of your heavenly Mother will bring to you. " Notice who the focus is on in these messages. It's on "Mary", not God and His saving power at all. These apparitions are obviously Satanic impersonations. [/color][/quote] gene, Can you please post where you found these message so that we can see them in context to get the full message? What about the apparitions of Jesus? Is Satan also impersonating him, in your opinion, of course? Blessings, Ann
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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 4:22:41 GMT -5
gene, Can you please post where you found these message so that we can see them in context to get the full message? What about the apparitions of Jesus? Is Satan also impersonating him, in your opinion, of course? Blessings, Ann I don't have a website. I once asked a Rc woman to post some of these sayings and she gave this to me. I'm sure there is a website that has more than this on it.
Yes, apparitions of Jesus are also impersonations by Satan. Look, in the bible, which you claim to follow, Jesus said when He returns it will be to collect His people. The bible says the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of hIs coming. Is anyone being collected or destroyed yet? This is simple to understand Ann, once you open your eyes to the words of Jesus and stop trying to find miracles in impersonations of the devil. Jesus said Satan can appear as an angel of light, if that's his choice. He comes in whatever form he chooses to those who are hoping or wishing for a sign. It's all a lie! Do you think I would be so confident if I didn't understand what Satan can do and what Jesus said he would do? Satan is the master deceiver. [/color]
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Post by Shirley on Apr 8, 2004 5:11:51 GMT -5
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I have about 5 minutes to post this, so it will be quick and short. First, are you saying that the bottomless pit is earth? I read Rev 20 a little differently: Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
Seems to me satan is bound for thousand years..you can't roam the earth..and be bound, can you? Ok..more later..time to go..
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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 7:01:56 GMT -5
I have about 5 minutes to post this, so it will be quick and short. First, are you saying that the bottomless pit is earth? I read Rev 20 a little differently:Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. Seems to me satan is bound for thousand years..you can't roam the earth..and be bound, can you? Ok..more later..time to go.. The term "bottomless pit" is symbolic language and is the same language that was used to describe the Earth at creation. Since Jesus will remove His people when He returns and the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, there will be no one left here for Satan to tempt. He is "bound to lonliness here of Earth.
The saints/saved believers will be with Jesus IN HEAVEN for the 1000 years, in the place He prepared for His people, and then will return aftyer the 1000 years to resurrect the wicked for their final sentence. After the resurrection of the wicked, Satan will gather them to try to take away the New Jerusalem and then the lake of fire will be created that will destroy satanm and his followers out of existance. This destruction will be eternal.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 8, 2004 9:00:30 GMT -5
gene, Can you please post where you found these message so that we can see them in context to get the full message? What about the apparitions of Jesus? Is Satan also impersonating him, in your opinion, of course? Blessings, Ann I don't have a website. I once asked a Rc woman to post some of these sayings and she gave this to me. I'm sure there is a website that has more than this on it.
Yes, apparitions of Jesus are also impersonations by Satan. Look, in the bible, which you claim to follow, Jesus said when He returns it will be to collect His people. The bible says the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of hIs coming. Is anyone being collected or destroyed yet? This is simple to understand Ann, once you open your eyes to the words of Jesus and stop trying to find miracles in impersonations of the devil. Jesus said Satan can appear as an angel of light, if that's his choice. He comes in whatever form he chooses to those who are hoping or wishing for a sign. It's all a lie! Do you think I would be so confident if I didn't understand what Satan can do and what Jesus said he would do? Satan is the master deceiver. [/color][/quote] gene, So then when Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus, was it Jesus or Satan? Blessings, Ann
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 8, 2004 21:48:10 GMT -5
When Jesus appeared to Peter as he was leaving Rome and Peter asked him "Lord where are you going? and Jesus said "I am going back into the city to die again for you" and Peter turned around and went back and was crucified, was that Satan or Jesus? Blessings, Ann Uh, Ann, where is this in the Bible? I don't recall ever having seen it, and I have read most of the book of Acts. Ronda
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 9, 2004 1:27:42 GMT -5
Uh, Ann, where is this in the Bible? I don't recall ever having seen it, and I have read most of the book of Acts. Ronda AR, Sorry, will take that one out as it is oral tradition. Blessings, Ann
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 9, 2004 10:01:35 GMT -5
AR, Sorry, will take that one out as it is oral tradition. Blessings, Ann Okay, just wondered if it was something I had overlooked somewhere. Ronda
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Post by genesda on Apr 12, 2004 4:22:41 GMT -5
gene, So then when Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus, was it Jesus or Satan? Blessings, Ann I don't understand what this question has to do with Satan's ability to impersonate whomever he chooses. If you are trying to say that because Jesus came to Paul, then Mary can appear too, then one really hasn't anything to do with the other. Jesus is God and Mary isn't. God told us that the dead have nothing to do with anything concerning the living. Are you trying to make Mary equal to God? I've asked you this question before and you refuse to answer it.
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Post by genesda on Apr 12, 2004 4:25:21 GMT -5
Okay, just wondered if it was something I had overlooked somewhere. Ronda This is a cpkmtyollic example of how people accept what they hear and think it's scriptural because of who tells it to them. [/color]
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 12, 2004 12:07:55 GMT -5
gene, So then when Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus, was it Jesus or Satan? Blessings, Ann I don't understand what this question has to do with Satan's ability to impersonate whomever he chooses. If you are trying to say that because Jesus came to Paul, then Mary can appear too, then one really hasn't anything to do with the other. Jesus is God and Mary isn't. God told us that the dead have nothing to do with anything concerning the living. Are you trying to make Mary equal to God? I've asked you this question before and you refuse to answer it.
[/color][/quote] gene, Trying to turn things around again? I did not say anything about Mary. I asked you if, in your opinion, you thought the apparitions of Jesus were also Satan and you said they were. So, then, is Jesus' appearing to Paul on the road to Damascus really Satan? NOt trying to avoid the question are you? I do not recall being asked the question about trying to make Mary into God, but I am sure you know that the answer is definitely NO. Blessings, Ann
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Post by genesda on Apr 14, 2004 4:22:40 GMT -5
gene, Trying to turn things around again? I did not say anything about Mary. I asked you if, in your opinion, you thought the apparitions of Jesus were also Satan and you said they were. So, then, is Jesus' appearing to Paul on the road to Damascus really Satan? NOt trying to avoid the question are you? I don't avoid questions unless they are just too silly to spend time answering. Actually Jesus DIDN'T appear to Paul as Jesus at all. Reread the verses. [/color] I do not recall being asked the question about trying to make Mary into God, but I am sure you know that the answer is definitely NO. Blessings, Ann If the answer is no, then how do you explain her God like powers of hearing all prayers directed to her at once? We know God can hear all prayers at once because He is omnipotent. Mary oe the "saints" aren't, so please explain from scripture how they are able to do this? How are you following the bible here? [/color]
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Post by marysia on Apr 16, 2004 8:07:04 GMT -5
the visionaries at Medjagorie (spx) comment only that Mary is begging people on behalf of her Son. telling people to pray to know Christ and extoles all He has done for them. i believe it was in 1 john 4 where we're told that a sprirt that confesses that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God... also never heard of Mary telling people to - become an Rcc or any specific denomination. SHe has always told them they must humble themselves and come fully to God through Jesus Christ.
I believe that God and use any means possible to get someone to come to Him. He alone knows what is in someones heart and what it will take.
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Post by genesda on Apr 16, 2004 9:29:12 GMT -5
the visionaries at Medjagorie (spx) comment only that Mary is begging people on behalf of her Son. telling people to pray to know Christ and extoles all He has done for them. i believe it was in 1 john 4 where we're told that a sprirt that confesses that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God... also never heard of Mary telling people to - become an Rcc or any specific denomination. SHe has always told them they must humble themselves and come fully to God through Jesus Christ. I believe that God and use any means possible to get someone to come to Him. He alone knows what is in someones heart and what it will take. But what if there are messages that are contrary to the scriptures mixed in with the message to come to Christ? How one goes to Christ is just as important as going to Him. What about "Mary" hailing the Sunday as a new sabbath? What about "Mary" exalting herself ? Post some messages from "Mary" ansd let's see how they line up with scripture.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 16, 2004 10:20:33 GMT -5
the visionaries at Medjagorie (spx) comment only that Mary is begging people on behalf of her Son. telling people to pray to know Christ and extoles all He has done for them. i believe it was in 1 john 4 where we're told that a sprirt that confesses that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God... also never heard of Mary telling people to - become an Rcc or any specific denomination. SHe has always told them they must humble themselves and come fully to God through Jesus Christ. I believe that God and use any means possible to get someone to come to Him. He alone knows what is in someones heart and what it will take. But what if there are messages that are contrary to the scriptures mixed in with the message to come to Christ? How one goes to Christ is just as important as going to Him. What about "Mary" hailing the Sunday as a new sabbath? What about "Mary" exalting herself ? Post some messages from "Mary" ansd let's see how they line up with scripture.
[/color][/quote] Message of March 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today, I call you to open yourselves to prayer. Especially now, in this time of grace, open your hearts, little children, and express your love to the Crucified. Only in this way, will you discover peace, and prayer will begin to flow from your heart into the world. Be an example, little children, and an incentive for the good. I am close to you and I love you all. Thank you for having responded to my call." 03/2004 Annual Apparition To Mirjana - March 18, 2004: "Dear children! Also today, watching you with a heart full of love, I desire to tell you that what you persistently seek, what you long for, my little children, is before you. It is sufficient that, in a cleaned heart, you place my Son in the first place, and then you will be able to see. Listen to me and permit me to lead you to this in a motherly way." Message of January 25, 2004 "Dear children! Also today I call you to pray. Pray, little children, in a special way for all those who have not come to know God’s love. Pray that their hearts may open and draw closer to my heart and the Heart of my Son Jesus, so that we can transform them into people of peace and love. Thank you for having responded to my call." 01/2004
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