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Post by LauraJean on Oct 18, 2004 9:03:54 GMT -5
Funny, but I've never seen anything in the Constitution that would in any way make abortion illegal. Actually, there's nothing in the Constitution to make it legal as the Supreme Court based its Roe v. Wade ruling on the fictional Constitutional "right" to privacy. (see Rehnquist's dissention) So it would seem to be the Supreme Court's fault after all.... And that's all I'm going to say about this at this time. Blessings, LJ
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Post by Nicodemus on Oct 18, 2004 9:03:56 GMT -5
No, I said that a "true Christian" would not vote for Kerry - I am not convinced that George Bush is a Christian seeing as he can not differentiate GOD and Allah - he said they are both the same person. Come on, read my words!
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Oct 18, 2004 9:04:26 GMT -5
Cohdra - "There is no way you can make me believe that Christ would approve of mother's destroying their own children."I'm not saying that He would, only that one's stance on the issue is wholly irrelevant to the matter of one's salvation. --TDv2.0 1:4:9 Actually, I think the difference here is the view as to whether or not we can legislate morality, and is an issue that I struggle mightily with. Do I believe abortion is a sin? Absolutely, in all cases except for when the mother's life is in immediate, mortal danger. Do I believe gay marriage is a sin? I believe the homosexual lifestyle is a sin, so yes I believe gay marriage is a sin. However, how much am I supposed to force people who do not believe in Christ to follow my views of morality? But the argument for legislating morality is that Christians are called to be salt in this world. We are supposed to change the world for the good of Christ. So does this mean that we make laws that people have to follow, even if they are not Christians? Or are we just supposed to live the Christian life, and the power of Christ in our lives attracts people to Him? That is what I struggle with trying to come to a balance in my life and personal views of politics.
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Post by LauraJean on Oct 18, 2004 9:07:55 GMT -5
I am not convinced that George Bush is a Christian seeing as he can not differentiate GOD and Allah There is only one God. Some people call Him by a different name and some people worship Him wrongly, but there is no differentiation to be made between the God of the Muslims and the God of the Christians. It is the same God. Blessings, LJ
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Post by LauraJean on Oct 18, 2004 9:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Oct 18, 2004 9:18:47 GMT -5
There is only one God. Some people call Him by a different name and some people worship Him wrongly, but there is no differentiation to be made between the God of the Muslims and the God of the Christians. It is the same God. Blessings, LJ Well, technically, you are partially wrong here. You are correct in saying that there is only one God. However, if you study Islam, you will see that Allah has absolutely no resemblance to the one true God. Islam teaches that God is: 1) Vengefull - Allah is a god of vengance and revenge. 2) Seperate and unapproachable - God cannot be approached and cannot be known on a personal level. 3) Punisher - Allah is a god who watches for mistakes of his people and then punishes them for their mistakes. Also, just general differences between Islam and Christianity: 1) Only by following the tenets of Islam, the seven pillars of faith, can a true muslim attain the highest level of heaven. 2) Even non-muslims who live good lives can attain the lower levels of heaven. Only the most vile of people do not get into heave (murderers, rapists, etc). 3) One cannot truly know if they have done enough to attain the highest level of heaven. Only through doing enough works, following the 7 pillars of Islam can the hope be achieved.
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Post by LauraJean on Oct 18, 2004 9:34:05 GMT -5
Well, technically, you are partially wrong here. You are correct in saying that there is only one God. However, if you study Islam, you will see that Allah has absolutely no resemblance to the one true God. That's pretty much what I meant when I said some people worship Him wrongly. I did not make that statement lightly. Blessings! LJ
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Oct 18, 2004 9:39:09 GMT -5
That's pretty much what I meant when I said some people worship Him wrongly. I did not make that statement lightly. Blessings! LJ True, and I knew you were trying to say it that way. However, your statement can also be intrepreted as saying that God could be worshipped correctly through Islam, and that is not possible, since even the definitions of Allah are different.
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Post by Nicodemus on Oct 18, 2004 10:00:59 GMT -5
However, how much am I supposed to force people who do not believe in Christ to follow my views of morality? But the argument for legislating morality is that Christians are called to be salt in this world. We are supposed to change the world for the good of Christ. So does this mean that we make laws that people have to follow, even if they are not Christians? Or are we just supposed to live the Christian life, and the power of Christ in our lives attracts people to Him? That is what I struggle with trying to come to a balance in my life and personal views of politics. We can not force anyone to do anything. Our LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself does not do this - but we are expected to vote our conscience. If a person is convinced that abortion is murder - and he pulls the lever for a pro-choice candidate - what does that say to his convictions? I would conclude that they are most shallow - and his pro-life beliefs are only skin-deep. The majority, if we are to believe the cnn polls and such, are pro-choice. I doubt that. If we vote our conscience - if the silent majority speaks up - we could push the abortionists out of the way. The problem is that too many let the too few decide the course of our nation. This is why I agree with Kathy, who said, a vote for Kerry is a vote AGAINST America. ~ edited to correct my big boo-boo where I said the cnn-type polls claim the majority of the country is pro-life, rather than pro-choice. I do believe that the majority is pro-life, but not based upon the liberal media.
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Post by Cohdra on Oct 18, 2004 10:43:08 GMT -5
Cohdra - "There is no way you can make me believe that Christ would approve of mother's destroying their own children."I'm not saying that He would, only that one's stance on the issue is wholly irrelevant to the matter of one's salvation. --TDv2.0 1:4:9 Again, I disagree. To "believe in Christ" does not simply mean that you believe He is the Son of God, He died for our sins, and was raised. Even the devil believes that. To truly "believe" means that you become Christ-like in attitude, belief, word, and deed. You cannot be opposed to Christ's thinking and be saved. You must become like Him. Whether you believe the transition occurs by the Holy Spirit is another matter; but the transition should occur. "You don't put new wine into old wineskins"; The infers a change of heart, attitude, thought, and belief God bless
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Post by SonWorshiper on Oct 18, 2004 10:52:34 GMT -5
Actually, a closer look at the differences between The Lord and allah reveals that One is The One True God, and the other is a false god.
Islam and their allah -- God had no son. Christians and our Lord -- God had a Son. His Name is Jesus Christ.
Islam and their allah -- Christ was only a prophet. Christians and our Lord -- Christ is The Saviour of The World.
Islam and their allah -- Christ did not die for the sins of the world. Christians and our Lord -- Christ died for the sins of all people.
Islam and their allah -- Christ did not die, and therefore has not been resurrected. They believe Jesus is still dead and buried somewhere in that region. Christianity and our Lord -- Christ is resurrected, seated at the right hand of The Father and alive for ever more.
The differences between Christianity and Islam is far more than just two different religions worshipping differently. It is the differnce between God's Truth and the tragedy of a very false god.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 19, 2004 6:40:32 GMT -5
We can not force anyone to do anything. Our LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself does not do this - but we are expected to vote our conscience. If a person is convinced that abortion is murder - and he pulls the lever for a pro-choice candidate - what does that say to his convictions? I would conclude that they are most shallow - and his pro-life beliefs are only skin-deep. The majority, if we are to believe the cnn polls and such, are pro-choice. I doubt that. If we vote our conscience - if the silent majority speaks up - we could push the abortionists out of the way. The problem is that too many let the too few decide the course of our nation. This is why I agree with Kathy, who said, a vote for Kerry is a vote AGAINST America. ~ edited to correct my big boo-boo where I said the cnn-type polls claim the majority of the country is pro-life, rather than pro-choice. I do believe that the majority is pro-life, but not based upon the liberal media.The irony of "pro-choice" is that the unborn don't get to have any say in the decision-making process for abortion. It is murder. Christian.
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Post by marysia on Oct 19, 2004 10:59:56 GMT -5
Actually, a closer look at the differences between The Lord and allah reveals that One is The One True God, and the other is a false god. Islam and their allah -- God had no son. Christians and our Lord -- God had a Son. His Name is Jesus Christ. Islam and their allah -- Christ was only a prophet. Christians and our Lord -- Christ is The Saviour of The World. Islam and their allah -- Christ did not die for the sins of the world. Christians and our Lord -- Christ died for the sins of all people. Islam and their allah -- Christ did not die, and therefore has not been resurrected. They believe Jesus is still dead and buried somewhere in that region. Christianity and our Lord -- Christ is resurrected, seated at the right hand of The Father and alive for ever more. The differences between Christianity and Islam is far more than just two different religions worshipping differently. It is the differnce between God's Truth and the tragedy of a very false god. I believe it is quite deeper than just the above. in a simplistic reality, those above statements could also be substituted for the Jewish faith. during a conversation with a priest he replied that (i hope this does his statements justice) that in Islam, while it's the "same God" they see the flip side of what we see. they take God's "job" of judging and make it their "job". they see the vengeful side of God and use that as part of their "job". as Christians and Jews, we are taught of a loving yet stern God and judments are His and His alone.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 19, 2004 11:08:46 GMT -5
Marysia!!! How are you?
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Post by donkeydude on Oct 19, 2004 14:04:02 GMT -5
Ha! I am about as Democratic as they come, and I have to say I have no complaints about my sex life, in fact I don't think it could get any better ;D
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