Kathy
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Post by Kathy on Jul 30, 2004 9:33:17 GMT -5
Christian Group Plans to Sue Secret Service Nathan Burchfiel, CNS News
While the Democratic National Convention opens today in Boston, a pro-life group is in federal court suing the U.S. Secret Service for the restrictions imposed on its planned protests. The Christian Defense Coalition is filing its lawsuit in response to the Secret Service barring the coalition from demonstrating in front of the residence of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. The pro-life group was told it could not demonstrate even after it had already obtained a permit from the city of Boston. Rev. Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, said the group had planned to hold a prayer vigil at Kerry's home Sunday, Monday and Tuesday nights. Kerry supports abortion rights. Mahoney called the protest restrictions "very troubling." "The city of Boston ... promised us the world," he said, referring to the settlement the city offered when threatened with a lawsuit. The Coalition filed a lawsuit against Boston claiming the city's permit process for the convention restricted free speech. The city settled before the case went to court. "They knew, I think, all along that the Secret Service would shut the area down." Mahoney said he hopes the Secret Service will relent and allow his group to demonstrate starting Sunday night. But if the Secret Service holds firm, he said, "We'll ask for a temporary restraining order against the United States Secret Service."
Kerry seems to not have a back bone. At least he refuses to stand for what he said he believes.
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Post by MorningStar on Jul 30, 2004 10:38:09 GMT -5
Can I second that? While I don't agree with protesting someone's home, not being able to protest due to government intervention is just scary. Whoa - where did that come from? I thought this was about the Secret Service? Its not like they were the only one having problems during the convention: "In addition, ACLU lawyers questioned the constitutionality of a ban on marches during the hours of 3:30 and 6:30 p.m. during the convention. " www.aclu-pkmtyolm.org/issues/2004-06-16_dnc_permitting.aspFirst or Second Amendment Violation at the DNC? www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/7/25/164144/660And even those who did get to protest.... Judge: Protesters must be penned in (DNC) www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1177016/postsAnd its not just at the DNC, protesting rights are being banned or rights are being limited (read: penned in, caged, etc.). I wonder when the Emperor will disban the council?
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Kathy
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Post by Kathy on Aug 1, 2004 19:19:09 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. Kerry said he believes life begins in the womb, yet he supports (votes) for abortion rights? And is not speaking out against the restrictions imposed on the pro-life group, limiting their "freedom of speech / protest? Even after the pro-life group had already obtained a permit from the city of Boston. Kerry, if he believes as he said, is not being true to himself. If he can not stand up for what he believes how could he be expected to stand for anyone else (the American people)?
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Post by MorningStar on Aug 2, 2004 6:40:32 GMT -5
You're saying it isn't possible to be personally against abortion yet pro-choice at the same time?
I am.
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Post by Kathy on Aug 5, 2004 20:05:29 GMT -5
You're saying it isn't possible to be personally against abortion yet pro-choice at the same time? I am. MorningStar, Guess I don't understand how a person can be personally against something and support it. (Sounds like: man who speaks with forked tongue) I believe life begins at conception. If I spoke out / voted for a pro-choice agenda, I would be voting to murder an innocent human being. A child that had nothing to do with the sexual act that produced it. What if someone went into a hospital maternity ward and killed all the new born babies? What would you think of that person? Would you give someone the right to do that? Even if the babies were orphaned? To me it's the same thing as a woman killing the life growing inside her. In most cases, the woman had a choice: to go where she did and do what she did. Once she is pregnant, there is another life involved. The woman should not have the choice to end another persons life. I do feel women should have a right to give up an unwanted baby, terminating all parental rights. Turning it over to the father (or relative if possible) or a hospital, adoption agency, family or friend where the child would be cared for.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Aug 6, 2004 9:26:45 GMT -5
You're saying it isn't possible to be personally against abortion yet pro-choice at the same time? I am. Someone Great, Wonderful and Omnipotent once said: "Thou Shalt NOT Kill". If you believe that life begins at conception how can anyone condone someone else killing that life? I think that what LJ is saying, is that Mr. Kerry (as a presidential candidate, at least), needs to show that he is a man of principle and stand up for what he believes in, rather than riding the fence and saying what he thinks others want to hear, depending on what group he is talking to. Blessings, Ann
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Post by MorningStar on Aug 8, 2004 0:52:58 GMT -5
MorningStar, Guess I don't understand how a person can be personally against something and support it. (Sounds like: man who speaks with forked tongue) Well, I don't support abortion really - I just think it is the individual's right to make that choice, not the governments. See, I disagree - you wouldn't be murdering anyone. You would give giving someone a choice for an abortion or to NOT have one. Killing someone else's baby in this case would be taking that choice away from the parents. Tru, in mose cases. I'd just guess that let's say 80% of abortions are on non-rape-type cases. And, true, the woman should not have the right to end another person's life, but maybe to her, she doesn't believe it is its own life just yet. Yes, she should have that choice as well.
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Post by MorningStar on Aug 8, 2004 0:55:30 GMT -5
Someone Great, Wonderful and Omnipotent once said: "Thou Shalt NOT Kill". Actually, from what I read, "he" actually said "THough Shalt NOT Murder", which I guess still makes your point, but yeah, I'm being anal. And if you don't believe life begins there, should you be forced to live with someone else's interpetation of when life beings? I think he is - He personally does not believe in abortions and would not be party to one, yet as an American, he beleives it is not the government's right to push one single view on all Americans. Ditto. JP
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Post by HomeAtLast on Aug 8, 2004 22:29:08 GMT -5
Actually, from what I read, "he" actually said "THough Shalt NOT Murder", which I guess still makes your point, but yeah, I'm being anal. LOL, JP, yes you are,And if you don't believe life begins there, should you be forced to live with someone else's interpetation of when life beings? One thing that I have asked everyone that I meet someone who is pro-choice, my questions is always, "then when do you know for sure that life begins if you do not believe it to be at conception. Not one person can answer that one. I have even had people tell me that it should be a choice even though they feel that life does begin at conception.
When I was in high school a nurse came to talk to us (private school). She was working in the ER and one night a teenage girl came in bleeding profusely. She had told her mother that she was pregnant. The mother, fearing for her reputation, proceed to do an abortion herself with a wire hanger in the tub. When she realized that she was doing more harm than good, she called an ambulance. In the ER, the doctor removed the baby from the girl and handed her/him to the nurse and told her to put it in the garbage. The poor little baby lay in the nurses hand moving and making the motions of crying even though he/she had not developed vocal cords yet. The nurse refused to work for any doctor that did abortions from that day on.
I am sure that you may say that what the mother did is the reason abortion should be legal. I disagree...the baby was an innocent human life, a gift from God and to me it is murder and whether done in a clinical setting or not, women are scarred for life from a legal or nonlegal abortion.I think he is - He personally does not believe in abortions and would not be party to one, yet as an American, he beleives it is not the government's right to push one single view on all Americans. To me that is not standing up for what you believe in. that is riding the fence and dodging the issue without making a committment.Ditto. JP Blessings, Ann
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Post by MorningStar on Aug 8, 2004 22:44:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply - looks like we just disagree on this one (especially Kerry's stance).
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Post by LauraJean on Aug 9, 2004 9:47:31 GMT -5
You're saying it isn't possible to be personally against abortion yet pro-choice at the same time? I am. This is something I don't understand about the whole debate, especially with quotes like Kerry's. IF you believe that life begins at conception, like Kerry says it does, then how can you also belive that said life is unworthy of protection? MS, you haven't said whether or not you believe life begins at conception, so this isn't directed at you personally.... I'm just pointing out what I see as intellectual dishonesty. Or, as I like to call it, "pandering" on the part of Kerry and his ilk. Blessings, LJ It's my birthday today.
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Post by MorningStar on Aug 9, 2004 11:06:20 GMT -5
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
I'm not sure when I can say that life begins. To me though, the issue is of pushing one's beliefs to the whole population. Having the choice as legal, those who don't agree with abortion don't have them, those who do not see a problem with it are free to make their own choice.
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Post by marysia on Aug 9, 2004 11:40:55 GMT -5
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I'm not sure when I can say that life begins. To me though, the issue is of pushing one's beliefs to the whole population... but MS -- that's politics in a nutshell - whether moral ideal or not. they are there to "push the issue". for me it's hard to understand how someone won't stand for what they believe in - personal or not. he stood up and spoke out against the vietnam war why not abortion?!
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Post by marysia on Aug 9, 2004 11:42:36 GMT -5
Blessings, LJ It's my birthday today. HOORAY -- Hippo Birdie Two Ewe, Hippo Birdie Two Ewe, Hippo Birdie, Hippo Birdie, Hippo Birdie Two YOU!!!
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Post by MorningStar on Aug 9, 2004 12:13:48 GMT -5
but MS -- that's politics in a nutshell - whether moral ideal or not. they are there to "push the issue". for me it's hard to understand how someone won't stand for what they believe in - personal or not. he stood up and spoke out against the vietnam war why not abortion?! I have to admit that I find it a little troubling that Kerry protested against Vietname when he got back to the US, yet is now constantly talking about his medals.
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