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Post by genesda on May 21, 2004 7:40:18 GMT -5
I could care less about Kerry and whatever he is doing and what he spend his time in the military doing. I'm talking about the detainment camps and how it shouldn't have happened. I have no personal shame with that because I was not there. I am ashamed of our country at the time because they did something that was not right. They held U.S. citizens against their will with no probable cause. What if suddenly the enemy looked a lot like you and the U.S. decided to tell you that you had to go live in a "prison" for a year or two or however long because you may join the enemy (another country). Even when you said you would fight for your own country and die for your own country. You wouldn't like it too much. I doubt you would sit back and say, "Well, it's what's best for the country" You wouldn't be too pleased about having to leave a business you had built either to just fizzle out or have to sell it to your neighbor, hoping they would be kind enough to sell it back when you returned. It's fine to say, "It's for the safety of the country" when it doesn't infringe on you. I imagine the tables would be turned if it did affect you. No, I wouldn't like it at all, but you're living way too far in the past. Do you realize that there were Muslim communities in this country that were rejoicing when those planes crashed into the towers?
I was arrested on a lie that two police officers told. I'm not ashmaed of the whole police department but I had ideas of what I'd like to have done to those two lying dogs. Actually I couldn't write what I wanted to cal them, but calling them dogs is too good for them. [/color]
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Post by babysis on May 21, 2004 9:06:17 GMT -5
I could care less about Kerry and whatever he is doing and what he spend his time in the military doing. I'm talking about the detainment camps and how it shouldn't have happened. I have no personal shame with that because I was not there. I am ashamed of our country at the time because they did something that was not right. They held U.S. citizens against their will with no probable cause. What if suddenly the enemy looked a lot like you and the U.S. decided to tell you that you had to go live in a "prison" for a year or two or however long because you may join the enemy (another country). Even when you said you would fight for your own country and die for your own country. You wouldn't like it too much. I doubt you would sit back and say, "Well, it's what's best for the country" You wouldn't be too pleased about having to leave a business you had built either to just fizzle out or have to sell it to your neighbor, hoping they would be kind enough to sell it back when you returned. It's fine to say, "It's for the safety of the country" when it doesn't infringe on you. I imagine the tables would be turned if it did affect you. No, I wouldn't like it at all, but you're living way too far in the past. Do you realize that there were Muslim communities in this country that were rejoicing when those planes crashed into the towers?
I was arrested on a lie that two police officers told. I'm not ashmaed of the whole police department but I had ideas of what I'd like to have done to those two lying dogs. Actually I couldn't write what I wanted to cal them, but calling them dogs is too good for them. [/color][/quote] gene, the point is we are to learn from the past. We look at what we did in the past and say that was dumb, that was a mistake, let's not do that again, etc. And just because SOME Muslims rejoiced that means we should throw ALL Muslims into detainment camps? NO! That is a terribe, prejudice thing to do. Just like with the soldiers from the prison. All Americans will be given a bad name for that. And that's not right. People are far to eager to generalize and punish ALL of one group instead of finding those who are actually doing the wrong. It's sad and I hate it.
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Post by genesda on May 21, 2004 10:16:35 GMT -5
gene, the point is we are to learn from the past. We look at what we did in the past and say that was dumb, that was a mistake, let's not do that again, etc. And just because SOME Muslims rejoiced that means we should throw ALL Muslims into detainment camps? NO! That is a terribe, prejudice thing to do. Just like with the soldiers from the prison. All Americans will be given a bad name for that. And that's not right. People are far to eager to generalize and punish ALL of one group instead of finding those who are actually doing the wrong. It's sad and I hate it. Not detainment camps, but deportation would be fine with me. We do know that there are "sleeper cells" here. If all of them were deported, we would get the terrorists out. After all, the muslims aren't helping us to get them. They are in fact hiding them in many cases. They don't come here to assimliate into american society, they want to bring their traditions and customes with them. They don't want to be in a "melting pot". they want to be separate from americans. I say Good, let them go where their customs are practiced and live in harmony there.
If that sounds cruel, I'm sorry, but there's much at stake. [/color]
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Post by babysis on May 21, 2004 13:48:47 GMT -5
gene, the point is we are to learn from the past. We look at what we did in the past and say that was dumb, that was a mistake, let's not do that again, etc. And just because SOME Muslims rejoiced that means we should throw ALL Muslims into detainment camps? NO! That is a terribe, prejudice thing to do. Just like with the soldiers from the prison. All Americans will be given a bad name for that. And that's not right. People are far to eager to generalize and punish ALL of one group instead of finding those who are actually doing the wrong. It's sad and I hate it. Not detainment camps, but deportation would be fine with me. We do know that there are "sleeper cells" here. If all of them were deported, we would get the terrorists out. After all, the muslims aren't helping us to get them. They are in fact hiding them in many cases. They don't come here to assimliate into american society, they want to bring their traditions and customes with them. They don't want to be in a "melting pot". they want to be separate from americans. I say Good, let them go where their customs are practiced and live in harmony there.
If that sounds cruel, I'm sorry, but there's much at stake. [/color][/quote] So you are saying American citizens should be deported? They have EVERY right to be as you do. How sad that you think otherwise. And it's so nice that you know what every Muslim's intention is when they come to this country that you can speak for ALL of them. Learn not to generalize gene, it will help you from looking like a fool.
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Post by marysia on May 22, 2004 10:16:19 GMT -5
So you are saying American citizens should be deported? They have EVERY right to be as you do. How sad that you think otherwise. And it's so nice that you know what every Muslim's intention is when they come to this country that you can speak for ALL of them. Learn not to generalize gene, it will help you from looking like a fool. i'm confused... what's new, i know do you believe that every person that lives here is an actual citizen? unfortunately, there are many immigrants that are not citizens and even still, those that are here illegally. not speaking for gene, but that is what i read from his post. i knew many middle eastern american's and yes many were naturalized citizens, while some of the older folks, remained on green card visitor type status. there were others still that would talk about those that were here and "shouldn't be" - their words. during the gulf war, many of those that were not here legally wen't into a type of hiding. they were no longer at the supper clubs and places we would frequent. still many went back out of fear that there would be repracutions.
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Post by babysis on May 22, 2004 11:53:00 GMT -5
i'm confused... what's new, i know do you believe that every person that lives here is an actual citizen? unfortunately, there are many immigrants that are not citizens and even still, those that are here illegally. not speaking for gene, but that is what i read from his post. i knew many middle eastern american's and yes many were naturalized citizens, while some of the older folks, remained on green card visitor type status. there were others still that would talk about those that were here and "shouldn't be" - their words. during the gulf war, many of those that were not here legally wen't into a type of hiding. they were no longer at the supper clubs and places we would frequent. still many went back out of fear that there would be repracutions. No, I am aware that not all people living here are legal citizens. I live about 30 minutes from a town called Beardstown which as an extremely high Mexican population. Some of which are illegals. They were even discussing given these illegal immigrants drivers license!! Luckily that did not fly. But the way gene was talking, I took him to mean ALL Muslims. Those with green cards are welcomed guests by the U.S. and until the green card runs out they are still guests of the U.S. Hotels don't ask their customers to leave the day before they are scheduled to leave. They paid for that room for X number of days and want to stay that long. I don't know if you have to pay for a green card, but I assume so. So unless there is a good reason for the hotel to ask the guest to leave, it shouldn't be done. And unless there is a good reason (not just because they are a certain nationality) to ask a green card holder to leave, it shouldn't be done. There are to be a valid reason to hold someone against their will and I believe there has to be a valid reason to tell someone to leave the country. When my dad was in the military, sometimes you would hear about a kid who had to be deported. This wasn't just as the military's pleasure. It was when the kid did something wrong. When he broke a VERY severe rule on base (or off). Much of the time it was becuase they did something to offend the host country. And the parent who was in the military often got in trouble for the actions of their child. There has to be REASONS and valid ones for a person to be kicked out.
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Post by marysia on May 22, 2004 12:15:09 GMT -5
hiya babysis - happy saturday i agree that while those with proper status should not be asked to leave (unless they've done wrong as you pointed out) but those without should not be here. funny, you mention hotel - that's my livelihood! when someone is here overstaying their welcome, they are "locked out". if someone asks to stay longer we accommodate when we can but often can not. if someone is one property and not a guest, they are escorted out. when someone does something harmful to the property or guests, they are charged and "escorted out". i chuckled about the military dad story and offending the host country. usually the kids are more "in fear" of what their parents will do to them when they get home the old grounded for life and chores up the wazoo! all immigrants are being hosted here, until they attain citizenship. until that time, they should also, IMO, be mindful of not offending their host country. unfortunately, in many cases, that is not so.
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Post by babysis on May 22, 2004 12:47:05 GMT -5
hiya babysis - happy saturday i agree that while those with proper status should not be asked to leave (unless they've done wrong as you pointed out) but those without should not be here. funny, you mention hotel - that's my livelihood! when someone is here overstaying their welcome, they are "locked out". if someone asks to stay longer we accommodate when we can but often can not. if someone is one property and not a guest, they are escorted out. when someone does something harmful to the property or guests, they are charged and "escorted out". i chuckled about the military dad story and offending the host country. usually the kids are more "in fear" of what their parents will do to them when they get home the old grounded for life and chores up the wazoo! all immigrants are being hosted here, until they attain citizenship. until that time, they should also, IMO, be mindful of not offending their host country. unfortunately, in many cases, that is not so. Happy Saturday to you as well. I really should be getting my thing all on my desk. I had to sleep on the couch last night since my bed is covered! lol (I got my new desk put up yesterday). I agree, if illegal immigrants are found here they need to get a green card or citizenship and if they can't, leave. But it needs to be ALL illegals, not just ones of a certain nationality. We can't kick all the Muslim illegals out while allowing the Mexican illegals to stay. It has to be an all of nothing thing, when they are found of course. As for the hotel, since it's your area, would you kick a guest out who has paid for 3 days on the 2nd day for no reason other than who they are (a white male, black female, etc) or do you have to have a valid reason?
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Post by marysia on May 22, 2004 14:55:51 GMT -5
As for the hotel, since it's your area, would you kick a guest out who has paid for 3 days on the 2nd day for no reason other than who they are (a white male, black female, etc) or do you have to have a valid reason? if there wasn't a legal reason -- illegal activity or endangering other guests/staff -- they can stay as they're paid up! actually... they could stay even longer unless we had them conform their departure date upon arrival. squatters rights! that's why they'll often have you initial your departure dates. once you take posession of the room and keep the balance paid, you can not be evicted without just cause.
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Post by genesda on May 25, 2004 7:13:09 GMT -5
So you are saying American citizens should be deported? They have EVERY right to be as you do. How sad that you think otherwise. And it's so nice that you know what every Muslim's intention is when they come to this country that you can speak for ALL of them. Learn not to generalize gene, it will help you from looking like a fool. Then, how many of them want to live as americans and not like where they come from? Their ideas are to make the american money and live as wealthy Muslims, not as americans. In order to be an american, one must put his past behind and live in a new world.
I don't have a problem dipkmtyolsociating from my country of origin. I'm an american, not a "European american". I guess it's asking too much for others to do the same, right?
Either you're for america or not. There is no middle ground as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe this is looking like a fool. [/color]
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Post by MorningStar on May 29, 2004 19:21:54 GMT -5
I'd love to hear your view of what that means....
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Post by babysis on May 31, 2004 10:16:53 GMT -5
So you are saying American citizens should be deported? They have EVERY right to be as you do. How sad that you think otherwise. And it's so nice that you know what every Muslim's intention is when they come to this country that you can speak for ALL of them. Learn not to generalize gene, it will help you from looking like a fool. Then, how many of them want to live as americans and not like where they come from? Their ideas are to make the american money and live as wealthy Muslims, not as americans. In order to be an american, one must put his past behind and live in a new world.
I don't have a problem dipkmtyolsociating from my country of origin. I'm an american, not a "European american". I guess it's asking too much for others to do the same, right?
Either you're for america or not. There is no middle ground as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe this is looking like a fool. [/color][/quote] That's sad you see it that way. It's all these different cultures and religions that make America what it is. It's the people who didn't leave all that behind and make it part of their lives here that makes America America. There is no set "American" that all people have to conform to. And like MS said, I'd like to hear what you think "becoming an American" is. What is a American supposed to be like?
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Post by genesda on Jun 1, 2004 7:26:53 GMT -5
That's sad you see it that way. It's all these different cultures and religions that make America what it is. It's the people who didn't leave all that behind and make it part of their lives here that makes America America. There is no set "American" that all people have to conform to. And like MS said, I'd like to hear what you think "becoming an American" is. What is a American supposed to be like? Americans are supposed to put America first, not the place that was imigrated from. Americans are supposed to support this country in all matters, not just when it's convienient to do so. Jews, Italians, Germans, Brits or whatever shouldn't be concerned about what's going on overseas. If people are so concerned about their country of origin, then they should return and try to make a difference in making their country what they want it to be. Becoming an American involves doing what is best for America, not coming here just to take from America because of the opportunity to do so when there is no heart in America. Example: what happens in Croatia is of no concern to me.
This is my opinion of what Americans should be.
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Post by marysia on Jun 1, 2004 7:39:36 GMT -5
Americans are supposed to put America first, not the place that was imigrated from. Americans are supposed to support this country in all matters, not just when it's convienient to do so. Jews, Italians, Germans, Brits or whatever shouldn't be concerned about what's going on overseas. If people are so concerned about their country of origin, then they should return and try to make a difference in making their country what they want it to be. Becoming an American involves doing what is best for America, not coming here just to take from America because of the opportunity to do so when there is no heart in America. Example: what happens in Croatia is of no concern to me.
This is my opinion of what Americans should be.
[/color][/quote] i guess i look to my grandparents and friends that are immigrants and such. they came here looking for a better life. they came here for the American way of life. yes that meant leaving their past behind. i have no problem with religious freedoms or cultural differences however... i have issue with those that are trying to make America another country.
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Post by genesda on Jun 1, 2004 9:58:04 GMT -5
i guess i look to my grandparents and friends that are immigrants and such. they came here looking for a better life. they came here for the American way of life. yes that meant leaving their past behind. i have no problem with religious freedoms or cultural differences however... i have issue with those that are trying to make America another country. Many come here to just take and take from the generousity of real americans and have no intention of becoming americans. Those are the ones I wish would just stay where they came from or go back and leave us alone.
We didn't establish this country and keep it free so we can be taken advantage of by those who wish to destroy our way of life.
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