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Post by RealistState on Apr 5, 2004 21:15:28 GMT -5
I certainly would not. I have a scar the size of a quarter slot about 6 inches to the left of my navel where the shrapnel went in and a scar from my sternum straight all the way down where they eventually had to go in and fix me up with some replacement parts. Now I take 14 different prescribed medications each day to prevent my body from rejecting those replacement parts, counter the bad side effects of those drugs, help deal with the lingering pain left from the nerve damage, hypertension, and to keep my emotions on an even keel. I was a 1st Lieutenant in the United States Air Force as a Spec Ops Engineer when I was wounded.
All US military personnel are subject to deployment to combat. There are no "rear lines" anymore. Even the desk clerks that process orders and payroll in the USAF go into the combat zone where the aircraft are launched and recovered.
There are no "cushy" jobs in the USAF. Aircraft pilots get "shot down." Crewman barracks get blown up. Fueling stations, manned by USAF technicians, are targets too. Tell the orphans and widows their airmen died doing "cushy" jobs. Go to the closest VA medical center and tell those guys they lost the best years of their lives by doing a "cushy" job.
You ought to thank the Father those guys did their not-so-cushy jobs. If they didn't, every two-bit, half-wit dictator on the planet would be kidnapping US citizens. My dad was in the USAF before me. When some "townie" complained about the noise the USAF aircraft made, he just smiled and said, "I love it. It's the sound of freedom."
Scott Scott, God bless you for the service to your country! I applaud you and all veterans for this. Again,I was not denegrating the service of the Air Force. I was responding to the post #18 by gene in this thread. In his attempt to minimize Sen. Kerry war record, he tried to trivialize the role of the Navy then and now. He has since "backtracked" off the Naval special ops groups, but he none the less seems to think that because there are no more naval gun battles from the past like in the World Wars, that service in the Navy is "easier" than the other services (he named the Army and Marines).
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Post by genesda on Apr 6, 2004 5:23:41 GMT -5
Yes. Are you aware that more Democrats voted AGAINST the civil rights laws than Republicans? [/color]
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Post by genesda on Apr 6, 2004 5:30:14 GMT -5
Scott, God bless you for the service to your country! I applaud you and all veterans for this. Again,I was not denegrating the service of the Air Force. I was responding to the post #18 by gene in this thread. In his attempt to minimize Sen. Kerry war record, he tried to trivialize the role of the Navy then and now. He has since "backtracked" off the Naval special ops groups, but he none the less seems to think that because there are no more naval gun battles from the past like in the World Wars, that service in the Navy is "easier" than the other services (he named the Army and Marines). I haven't "back tracked" off of anything. I never meant to include special ops people in the conversation in the first place. You are the one who was picking apart what I was saying. I was speaking generally, and you turned it to specifics. There is no way that personal in the Navy serving shipboard are in the same danger as the marine on the ground, or the army, or the pilots, including NAVY, AIR FORCE OR ARMY faces every day. If this is hard for you to understand I'm sorry.
This doesn't change the fact one iota that Kerry is not what he pretends to be.
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Post by RealistState on Apr 6, 2004 5:50:52 GMT -5
Scott, God bless you for the service to your country! I applaud you and all veterans for this. Again,I was not denegrating the service of the Air Force. I was responding to the post #18 by gene in this thread. In his attempt to minimize Sen. Kerry war record, he tried to trivialize the role of the Navy then and now. He has since "backtracked" off the Naval special ops groups, but he none the less seems to think that because there are no more naval gun battles from the past like in the World Wars, that service in the Navy is "easier" than the other services (he named the Army and Marines). I haven't "back tracked" off of anything. I never meant to include special ops people in the conversation in the first place. You are the one who was picking apart what I was saying. I was speaking generally, and you turned it to specifics. [/color][/quote] That is the inherent risk of make broad, general statements. Failure to admit you made a mistake in your gereralization is another. [/color][/quote] So, serving on say a mine-sweeper in the Persian Gulf is less dangerous than loading fuel on a bomber in Iowa? [/color][/quote] Not hard for me at all. But I do guess it is hard for you to admit you made a mistake! [/color][/quote] And what is that...someone who served honorably in Vietnam in the Navy.
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Post by RealistState on Apr 6, 2004 5:51:20 GMT -5
Yes. Are you aware that more Democrats voted AGAINST the civil rights laws than Republicans? [/color][/quote] Source.
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Post by genesda on Apr 6, 2004 8:22:34 GMT -5
Source. I've heard this many times in past years spoken by politicians seeking election when these matters come up. I couldn't even begin to name a place where this is recorded, but I'm sure the votes are recorded somewhere since they were Congressional votes. [/color]
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Post by RealistState on Apr 6, 2004 16:55:52 GMT -5
Source. I've heard this many times in past years spoken by politicians seeking election when these matters come up. I couldn't even begin to name a place where this is recorded, but I'm sure the votes are recorded somewhere since they were Congressional votes. [/color][/quote] So basically your statement is unsubstantiated.
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Post by donkeydude on Apr 6, 2004 18:36:27 GMT -5
Yes. Are you aware that more Democrats voted AGAINST the civil rights laws than Republicans? [/color][/quote] Democrats such as Strom Thurmond who switched to your beloved party. It was Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson who saw the pkmtyolpage of the most notable of the civil rights laws. Many that voted against the bill now regret it. The Senior Senator from my state Robert C. Byrd has said on many occasions that he only regrets two votes in his entire life. His vote on the civil rights bill and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Those who have realized their mistakes remained Democrats those who didn't switched to the GOP.
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Post by atomheart on Apr 6, 2004 19:44:15 GMT -5
Democrats such as Strom Thurmond who switched to your beloved party. It was Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson who saw the pkmtyolpage of the most notable of the civil rights laws. Many that voted against the bill now regret it. The Senior Senator from my state Robert C. Byrd has said on many occasions that he only regrets two votes in his entire life. His vote on the civil rights bill and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Those who have realized their mistakes remained Democrats those who didn't switched to the GOP. Really? And did you know that Al Gore Sr. of your beloved party voted AGAINST the civil rights act of 1964? He also participated in a 74 day filibuster to delay the legislation. And did you know that 82% of Republicans voted FOR the civil rights act of 1964 as opposed to 69% of Democrats that voted for it?
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Post by donkeydude on Apr 6, 2004 23:09:12 GMT -5
Really? And did you know that Al Gore Sr. of your beloved party voted AGAINST the civil rights act of 1964? He also participated in a 74 day filibuster to delay the legislation. And did you know that 82% of Republicans voted FOR the civil rights act of 1964 as opposed to 69% of Democrats that voted for it? I am well aware of that. Most Democrats from that era came from the south and the states that are now controlled my Republicans. The direction of both parties has changed, there is no denying that. The Democratic Party of today is what I am proud to belong to, not the party of 1964.
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Post by genesda on Apr 7, 2004 5:56:56 GMT -5
So basically your statement is unsubstantiated. It's good enough for me because I've heard the statistics and know what I heard. Liberals who aren't aware will naturally doubt what they hear and don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. If Kerry is all what you wish him to be, why are there so many out there now speaking for him? Ted Kennedy has no right to say anything about anyone not being forthcoming with truth. As Sean Hannity said last night, we still don't have the facts concerning Mary Jo Kopeckney and the truth about that night when Teddy drove off that bridge. It just shows what kind of people are supporting Kerry.
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Post by genesda on Apr 7, 2004 6:02:56 GMT -5
Democrats such as Strom Thurmond who switched to your beloved party. It was Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson who saw the pkmtyolpage of the most notable of the civil rights laws. Many that voted against the bill now regret it. The Senior Senator from my state Robert C. Byrd has said on many occasions that he only regrets two votes in his entire life. His vote on the civil rights bill and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Those who have realized their mistakes remained Democrats those who didn't switched to the GOP. LOL!! Right! Robert Byrd the former KKK member who wished for a revival of the KKK in his home state. People switch parties, and all of thyem didn't switch. Sen. Dodd said Bryd would have been right if he were voting during the civil war. I wonder where the outcry is now like it came about when Sen. Lott lauded Strom Thurmond for his service in the Senate. Those Democrats and their allies in the partisan press are such hipocrites. Lott is forced to resign as Senate leader and the Democrat gets a pkmtyolp. I believe you've been taken in by the double standard that exists today and can't see through it.
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Post by genesda on Apr 7, 2004 6:07:41 GMT -5
Not hard for me at all. But I do guess it is hard for you to admit you made a mistake! I didn't make a mistake. I spoke generally, you got specific and now say that I'm backtracking even after I clarified what I meant. It is easy to see that shipboard duty TODAY is a cushy job compared to the soldier or marine on the ground. How many navy personal are on the ground in Iraq besides special ops people? Is this the best you can do? Kerry is a wimp and a gigilo and not fit to command men in the field.
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Post by genesda on Apr 7, 2004 6:13:00 GMT -5
I am well aware of that. Most Democrats from that era came from the south and the states that are now controlled my Republicans. The direction of both parties has changed, there is no denying that. The Democratic Party of today is what I am proud to belong to, not the party of 1964. I would have thought just the opposite. I was a democrat in '64. There's no way I could be one today. Are you sure you're looking at who and what the Democratic party of today is? If that's you, then I feel sorry for you because all I see is liars and hipocrites representing the Democrats on the tube in the evening. I'll tell you who surprised me though. It is Ed Koch of N.Y. He said he is supporting Bush because Kerry nor any other "high ranking" Democrat has the stomach for dealing with Iraq or the terrorists. He stated that Kerry would pull out of Iraq just as Clinton pulled out of Somalia. That says a lot about the Democratic leadership.
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Post by donkeydude on Apr 7, 2004 12:23:11 GMT -5
I'll tell you who surprised me though. It is Ed Koch of N.Y. He said he is supporting Bush because Kerry nor any other "high ranking" Democrat has the stomach for dealing with Iraq or the terrorists. He stated that Kerry would pull out of Iraq just as Clinton pulled out of Somalia. That says a lot about the Democratic leadership. [/b][/color][/quote] It would be impossible for Kerry to pull out of Iraq. The damage is done and must be contained. I fear that we only created an even worse monster. When control in returned to the Iraqi people, the Shiite majority is going no doubt take power and we will have created another fundamentalist state that considers all "infidels" enemies of God. They will also want to get revenge on the Sunni minority that rule for so long, the only problem there is that Sunni's are the majority worldwide in the Muslim community and the will come from near and far to protect their Iraqi counter parts. George W. Bush has created at hot bed of violence for years to come. The United States will now have no choice to but sustain a military presence in the country indefinitely.
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