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Post by MorningStar on Apr 2, 2004 10:17:46 GMT -5
You've got it backwards. It's not that he's wrong because he's a liberal......on second thought, that's correct. I haven't seen liberals to be on the right side of important issues in some time now. Alsio, Bush doesn't have people running around touting him as a war hero either. Kerry is no hero. He's weak on everything except raising taxes. This is one place where he doesn't flip flop. [/color][/quote] Well, not always raising taxes: "John F. Kerry today will propose cutting the corporate tax rate..." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25175-2004Mar25.html
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Post by RealistState on Apr 3, 2004 7:23:02 GMT -5
TV appearance are generally not a good measure. But be that as it may, frankly I think you'd be surprised at the appearance of many SEALS. They all do not look like "Rambo". You make have been taken in by the Hollywood caricuture. I haven't been taken in byu anything, but I believe you've been taken in by something called "liberalism". Kerry is nothing but a gigilo, and I don't think he has what it takes to be a man's man.
[/color][/quote] Just as you know nothing if my faith, you know nothing of my politics. So dream on.... As far as Mr Kerry's personal life, are you saying he does not love his wife? And how would you know what is in his (or anyone elses for that matter) heart?
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Post by RealistState on Apr 3, 2004 7:27:36 GMT -5
You and I really do not know that. Besides, the attrition rate for those who do not make it through SEAL training is very high, so it would not be surprising nor a disgrace. I never said "disgrace" and didn't intend that. I was simply saying that I don't believe Kerry has what it takes by sizing him up in his T.V. appearances, which are usually done for his best showing. [/color][/quote] As is the state of ALL politics today. That's why all presidents and presidential hopefuls have media consultants as part of their staff.
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Post by RealistState on Apr 3, 2004 7:31:24 GMT -5
ahhh - the 'you're a liberal, so you're wrong' line - isn't it nice to cpkmtyollify someone in order to point out their wrong? People don't believe Kerry was much of a war hero. Same goes for Bush. The thing here is, at least Bush has an action figure. You've got it backwards. It's not that he's wrong because he's a liberal......on second thought, that's correct. I haven't seen liberals to be on the right side of important issues in some time now. [/color][/quote] Here's a challenge for you? When was the last issue that you characterize as "liberal" the right thing to do? Or are you saying they're always wrong.
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Post by RealistState on Apr 3, 2004 7:37:23 GMT -5
We were talking about combat, not the hazzards of normal duty. The Navy of today really is a cushy job when it comes to combat roles. When was the last time a US ship had to be worried about enemy attacks? Don't bring up the USS Cole either. That was a fluke and not combat. [/color][/quote] Granted, the last time a US warship came under a direct attack was during the Vietnam War when the North Koreans attacked and captured the USS Pueblo. But I guess you can term that as a fluke too. So other than the hazards of regular duty or special ops, you feel that the Navy has it easier that the Army or the Marines (part of the Dep't of the Navy). Do you feel the same about the US Air Force? You didn't mention them?
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Post by marysia on Apr 3, 2004 8:08:42 GMT -5
So other than the hazards of regular duty or special ops, you feel that the Navy has it easier that the Army or the Marines (part of the Dep't of the Navy). Do you feel the same about the US Air Force? You didn't mention them? whoa nellie - watch what you say about those sailors!
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Post by RealistState on Apr 3, 2004 8:26:17 GMT -5
whoa nellie - watch what you say about those sailors! Wasn't me...just following up on what ol gene said earlier in this thread.
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Post by genesda on Apr 5, 2004 5:07:20 GMT -5
Well, not always raising taxes: "John F. Kerry today will propose cutting the corporate tax rate..." Sure, until he would get elected. Then he will find all sorts of reasons that it can't be done, just like Clinton and the "middle cpkmtyoll tax cut" he was proposing when he was campaigning. Remember how he said he "had never worked so hard on something in all his life, but just couldn't find a way to do it", once he was eloected.
You liberals fall for the same lies evefry time they are told, but it doesn't matter, does it? It doesn't matter what lies a liberal tells, as long as he wins, right?
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Post by genesda on Apr 5, 2004 5:09:29 GMT -5
Here's a challenge for you? When was the last issue that you characterize as "liberal" the right thing to do? Or are you saying they're always wrong. Why don't you post something that a liberal was right with? [/color]
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Post by genesda on Apr 5, 2004 5:11:23 GMT -5
Granted, the last time a US warship came under a direct attack was during the Vietnam War when the North Koreans attacked and captured the USS Pueblo. But I guess you can term that as a fluke too. No, this was criminal. We should have retaliated. [/color] So other than the hazards of regular duty or special ops, you feel that the Navy has it easier that the Army or the Marines (part of the Dep't of the Navy). Do you feel the same about the US Air Force? You didn't mention them? I did mention "fliers". [/color] [/quote]
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Post by RealistState on Apr 5, 2004 5:18:35 GMT -5
Here's a challenge for you? When was the last issue that you characterize as "liberal" the right thing to do? Or are you saying they're always wrong. Why don't you post something that a liberal was right with? [/color][/quote] I did. But you seem to think that there is something wrong with Civil Rights and the repeal of the Jim Crow laws.
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Post by RealistState on Apr 5, 2004 5:27:27 GMT -5
Granted, the last time a US warship came under a direct attack was during the Vietnam War when the North Koreans attacked and captured the USS Pueblo. But I guess you can term that as a fluke too. No, this was criminal. We should have retaliated. [/color][/quote] Unfortunately President Nixon was too busy trying to get re-elected. [/color][/quote] Well, you did bring up specifically the Navy and the Navy fliers. So I wasn't sure if you felt the same about the bomber pilots based in the mid-west (a non-combat zone), that fly to and from relative safety. So would you characterize the Air Force as being "cushy" compared to the Army and Marines?
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Post by genesda on Apr 5, 2004 8:06:23 GMT -5
I did. But you seem to think that there is something wrong with Civil Rights and the repeal of the Jim Crow laws. Are you talking about the Civil rights laws of the '60's? [/color]
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Post by TarueBeliever on Apr 5, 2004 11:08:32 GMT -5
So would you characterize the Air Force as being "cushy" compared to the Army and Marines? I certainly would not. I have a scar the size of a quarter slot about 6 inches to the left of my navel where the shrapnel went in and a scar from my sternum straight all the way down where they eventually had to go in and fix me up with some replacement parts. Now I take 14 different prescribed medications each day to prevent my body from rejecting those replacement parts, counter the bad side effects of those drugs, help deal with the lingering pain left from the nerve damage, hypertension, and to keep my emotions on an even keel. I was a 1st Lieutenant in the United States Air Force as a Spec Ops Engineer when I was wounded.
All US military personnel are subject to deployment to combat. There are no "rear lines" anymore. Even the desk clerks that process orders and payroll in the USAF go into the combat zone where the aircraft are launched and recovered.
There are no "cushy" jobs in the USAF. Aircraft pilots get "shot down." Crewman barracks get blown up. Fueling stations, manned by USAF technicians, are targets too. Tell the orphans and widows their airmen died doing "cushy" jobs. Go to the closest VA medical center and tell those guys they lost the best years of their lives by doing a "cushy" job.
You ought to thank the Father those guys did their not-so-cushy jobs. If they didn't, every two-bit, half-wit dictator on the planet would be kidnapping US citizens. My dad was in the USAF before me. When some "townie" complained about the noise the USAF aircraft made, he just smiled and said, "I love it. It's the sound of freedom."
Scott
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Post by RealistState on Apr 5, 2004 21:10:07 GMT -5
I did. But you seem to think that there is something wrong with Civil Rights and the repeal of the Jim Crow laws. Are you talking about the Civil rights laws of the '60's? [/color][/quote] Yes.
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