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Post by Himmel on Jan 10, 2004 19:45:41 GMT -5
To anyone who may be interested: I commissioned an artist to create a painting regarding my spiritual experience where I stated, "My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and peoples varying perceptions of God, as if in a fast-forward film". The painting shows my spiritual interaction with Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and us contemplating the beginning of mankind from Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden, Moses with the commandments, Jesus preaching to his disciples, Muhammad kneeling by the cave before the angel of God, The Crusades, The New York Twin Tower tragedy and the development of the universe. I will gladly email a copy of the painting free to anyone who requests it via my email at kkawohl1@cox.net This is quite fasinating! I've had a similar experience. While on my Christian journey, I recieved all kinds of information from all kinds of media sources, music and even dreams via the Holy Spirit I was struggeling with my predjuces and worldly view hang-ups. I was given a "tragical history tour" too! ;D It dramitically changed my views on issues and life! It was kind of scary but cool. I'm no longer the same hateful biggot I was before! Although you and I may come from different points of spirituality and may not agree with everything; I find you to be a very decent, kind and spiritual person. I hope you find peace and happiness on your spiritual journey. God bless, Louise
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 11, 2004 4:04:14 GMT -5
I will share the latest email I received.
Greetings Kurt!
My frank opinion about the painting is that it is outstanding! Even without knowing your story, the painting is remarkable. Knowing your story, the painting is absolutely profound! Obviously, we would love to post your account and the picture on our web site, (only with your advance permission). Having said this, my honest opinion is that the picture is too valuable (should be copyrighted) to post on a web site, though I will leave that up to you.
Thank you so much for sharing your account and picture with me!
Best regards, -Dr. Jeff Long
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 12, 2004 6:37:09 GMT -5
In this 21st Century many religious beliefs are as antiquated as in several millennia past. Most stories in the Bible were pkmtyolped down verbally through generations, with new additions by each generation. In past centuries superstitions were the norm. Isn't it about time that a belief in God, if one so chooses, makes sense. The Torah is the Hebrew name for the five books of Moses-the Law of Moses or the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible. The Torah is believed by Orthodox Jews to have been handed down to Moses on Mt. Sinai and transmitted by him to the Jews. It laid down the fundamental laws of moral and physical conduct. The Torah begins with a description of the origin of the universe and ends on the word Israel, after the story of the death of Moses, just before the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites. In a wider sense the Torah includes all teachings of the books of the Torah were written over a period of about 1500 years by about 40 different authors on three continents in three languages. The first 5 books, written by Moses about 1410 B.C. were accepted as authoritative by the people that initially received them. Transmission refers to the process of getting something written up to 3500 years ago to us. During transmission the documents are copied and errors are introduced. Some, who reject the truth of the bible argue that there errors are so many and so large that the bible is unreliable. Others, who accept the truth of the bible argue that the errors and alterations by copyists only slightly if at all diminish the reliability of the bible. Jack Cargill is a Professor of Ancient History at Rutgers University, specializing in "Ancient Greece, the Near East, and Rome, and the interactions between them, with special interests in cpkmtyollical Greek epigraphy and historical issues related to the Bible and archaeology". Quote: ...The Hebrew Bible is simply not a reliable source for the history of ancient Israel... If we are content to provide students with mythical, legendary, uncritical histories of ancient Israel, how can we have any legitimate grounds for complaint or criticism when others are willing to provide mythologized, fictionalized histories of other peoples and places? Jack Cargill, "Ancient Israel in Western Civ Textbooks," The History Teacher (May 2001) (most Jewish historians agree with his conclusions) Quote: As Rabbis Face Facts, Bible Tales Are Wilting Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation... The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine document... The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last pkmtyolpover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "litany of disillusion" about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery." MICHAEL pkmtyolmING - The New York Times, March 9, 2002 It does not surprise me that you are making every effort to undermine peoples' confidence in the Word of God. After all, you don't know Him. The Bible does not rely on evidence to back it up as it's God's written word to us. Those who don't accept it will demand evidence or go looking for it. But it would be very difficult to find physical evidence for the events mentioned in the Book of Exodus as they happened thousands of years ago. And how could anyone prove or disprove the plagues that God unleashed on Egypt, His parting of the Red Sea so that Moses and the Israelites could safely pkmtyolp through to the other side, or Moses receiving the Ten Commandments from Him? The unbelieving world says that "seeing is believing". Yet the Christian faith is contrary to this. Abraham existed. Ever heard of Jesse Duplantis? He can testify that he was once taken up to Heaven by God and met Abraham. He also came face to face with Christ in His throne-room. And He literally shone with glory. He also saw on Christ the wounds which He received when He was crucified. He said that he saw families in paradise and that it looked alot like our own world, except that it was perfect. Beautiful. As for the Jews - they're ancestors had Christ put to death. They rejected their Messiah. But the day is coming when many shall return to Him in faith and receive Him as their Lord and Saviour. Your Brother in Christ, Andy.
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Post by k8reader on Jan 12, 2004 7:22:07 GMT -5
The Bible was written during a time when superstitions prevailed. There were claims of visions of God physically, and physical conversations with God and the devil. Hi kkawohl, I’m a little confused about the point you are trying to make here. Surely you are not saying that we live a world free of superstitions? Just ask anyone who plays the lottery how they pick their numbers! The psychic hotlines are buzzing and horoscopes are in just about every newspaper in America. That is one of the most amazing things about the Bible. It was written thousands of years ago, yet it IS correct and applicable to my life right now, today! That is ONE of the reasons Christians believe in its truth. As for your last sentence, I am still somewhat confused. Of course the Bible is the Gospel truth. It contains the Gospel. Do you know what Gospel means? It means "Good News". Where in the Bible does God demand that everyone worship Him? God has never demanded that I worship Him. He allows me to worship Him. I will spend eternity worshipping Him! How awesome is that?! This is contradictory. If God does not interfere in our physical lives ("in any way"), then how can God guide the development of the Universe? After all, the Universe is "physical", and we are in it. Gotta run, have a great day!
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 12, 2004 9:55:43 GMT -5
God is interested in and is involved in humanity, but does not interfere in any way in our physical lives. God guides (spiritually, not physically) the development of the universe and everything thereon like a Master Planner. Our relationship and interaction of our spirit with the Spirit of God is for our, not God's benefit.
God Will Not Condemn Anyone
Our intelligence compared to God is like that of a 2 year old child. God will make allowances for our ignorance.
It doesn't matter to God whether we believe that God is/was: 1. Created by the spirit and soul and evolved to be the supreme intelligence. 2. The beginning, always was, came out of nowhere and created the heavens and earth. 3 The one supreme ruler who dominates the universe. 4. Called God, God Almighty, Jehovah, God of Abraham, Allah or whatever.
It doesn't matter to God whether we: 1. Think that Jesus is God or a prophet. 2. Believe that the Bible or the Qur'an is the word of God or man. 3. Eat pork, dress or pray a certain way. 4. Are straight, gay, white, black, or whatever.
It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses. Whether or not one believes in a spirit or God really makes no difference to God. Righteous living will determine the continuance and destiny of our spirit/soul. One's life can be enhanced by receiving solace and being comforted during life's trials and tribulations by having our spirit inspired by the Spirit of God.
Hope and inspiration rejoices our spirit and gives us a reason for continuing during hopeless times.There is a reason for our existence just like there is a reason for the existence of everything in the universe. Mankind as far as we know is the only one born with a soul which is spiritual and can transcend into the spiritual realm upon leaving our physical body.
When people first acquired reasoning abilities, the first fear of an unseen deity came about when lightning and thunder caused them to cringe and seek shelter. Lightning and thunder were thought to be punishment from God for evil deeds. Worshiping God through prayers and asking for forgiveness eventually as the storm pkmtyolped was believed to appease the wrath of God or the Gods.
Rationality and logic should eventually eliminates all superstition. Fear of an uncertain future has been instilled in many through conditioning. Truth of who/what God is, if honestly presented and practiced by the presenter himself, should eventually prevail.
Truth and logic require a foundation, the foundation being our realization that our forefathers intentions for our soul's continuity was their conviction that God had personally spoken to his messengers and had instructed them in what God desired. What was considered the truth about God was whatever society adopted thereof during their time when presuppositions of the concept of God was compared to a required domination by a ruler who was capable of enforcing laws adaptable for the society of that time period.
Religion is a set of beliefs involving symbols regarded as sacred, together with ritual practices in which members of the community engage. Religious practices originated from a fear of God. Judaism and Islam are more closely tied to these ancient practices than Christianity which is a more modernized belief that combines a love and a fear of God and came into existence two millennia ago. We have made great advances since then in technology and our standard of living but our religious practices have not advanced.
Judaism originated a monotheist God and Islam and Christianity is the offshoot thereof. Abraham according to Genesis was the first person with whom God chose to have a special relationship. His spirit as well as those of several others after him interacted with the Spirit of God; this was misinterpreted and claims were made by others that God had physically spoken with him. Soon thereafter God was viewed as having human-like features and one who performed great miracles on earth. Stories snowballed and by the time they were written down many others claimed to have physically conversed with God.
All religious writings are by fallible men. God has not talked to them, if they heard voices they were schizophrenic. They may have been inspired by the Spirit of God or they just claimed to have spoken with God in order to elevate their standing amongst their peers or in the community. Now we can totally discard superstitions and discern God to be consisting of Supreme Purity which also reflects Supreme Intelligence, Supreme Logic, and Supreme Common Sense.
The God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus and other Prophets, is the same as the God of today who wants all souls to coexist in peace and tranquility for eternity. We can not see or physically talk with God, but our spirit can unite and can be blessed and guided by God's Spirit to accomplish the seemingly impossible. We can not physically control our spirit which only has interaction with our conscience.
God, also known as Allah, Yahweh, Lord, Supreme Being, Jehovah, Spirit of God, Supreme Spirit, etc., is a spirit of peace. When the body dies, the deserving spirit or soul is received by God into a peaceful coexistence with other souls for eternity. The souls of many Prophets, philosophers, holy men, our deceased relatives and even the simplest souls who by their love of humanity and exemplary living have helped to shape the lives of other will be there.
Here we are given many examples of the structure of God. Our life on earth is to prepare us for the beauty and rapture of the hereafter. We are here to accumulate experiences of feelings and the beauty of every organism that surrounds us; also the misery, pain and death of the body that demonstrates to us the futility of our physical lives.
Our spirit can often control the well-being of our body. With inspiration and blessings from the Spirit of God, our spirit very much like the wind, can carry us through our life's journey and experience the beauty of God's creative powers or we can choose to reject the interaction and muddle through life with no purpose, feeling empty, worthless and lonely. We can resonate despondency and gloom or bloom like the wildflower, bringing joy to many who have contact with us and live our lives with joy and the knowledge that we have a reason for living.
The concept of referring to God as Pure Consciousness Pure Intelligence, Pure Logic, etc., is a human descriptor, as is any other way in which humans are capable of describing God. Anthropomorphism is the act of giving human qualities to things which are not human. Humans are incapable of projecting the true concept of God when their spirit has connected with the Ultimate Supreme Spirit.
The Ultimate Truth is indecipherable by the human mind and can only be divulged to the spirit which also often misinterprets its meaning, hence we have various religions and beliefs. The quest for the Truth is futile during our lifetime but our spirit when in deep meditation, is at times able to communicate with the Ultimate Spirit (Truth, Purity, Supreme, God, Allah, etc.).
This Ultimate Truth to the spirit will only be a reality when our spirit or soul unites with him/it (God) upon our physical demise. If we want to compare our concept of God to a foundation for a building, we have to remember that a foundation on a building needs to be repaired and eventually renewed if the building is to endure over time. Now foundations contain steel which makes the foundation much stronger. A foundation is a base that supports a structure and needs to be laid. If truth and logic are the foundation, as in the inherent characteristics of the universe itself, it had to be established. There are various foundations supporting numerous concepts.
The universe is the encompkmtyolpment of ALL (matter, energy, space, time) that exists in a physical, material, tangible or intangible, natural or unnatural state in this dimension, Our soul contains the records of our spiritual life within the subconscious and it is composed of consciousness, awareness, thoughts, and emotions.
Upon physical death the righteous soul/spirit unites with the Ultimate Supreme Spirit (often called God). Man in the physical sense is often way too vicious to be part of God. Righteous living is a part of the cleansing process of the mind that feeds the spirit that a physical person must go through in order for his soul to be a part of God.
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Post by k8reader on Jan 12, 2004 18:14:06 GMT -5
God is interested in and is involved in humanity, but does not interfere in any way in our physical lives. God guides (spiritually, not physically) the development of the universe and everything thereon like a Master Planner. Our relationship and interaction of our spirit with the Spirit of God is for our, not God's benefit. I am still confused. Are you saying that God is not involved in the physical aspects of the Universe, such as the stars, planets and comets? Or are you saying that these things are spiritual and not physical? Ok kkawohl, You are just going to have to explain these contradictions to me. Over and over you say things like the "righteous" soul, or the "deserving" one will be united with God when they die. What I don't understand is what you believe constitutes righteousness? You have already made it clear that your God does not care about how we behave, or what we believe. So what exactly gets us to be united with God, from YOUR point of view? Do you just have to somehow get the lucky ticket? What? How good is good enough? Surely, you can give your own opinions without putting the same paragraphs down. I am interested in what YOU think and why.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 12, 2004 21:05:27 GMT -5
God does not interfere in the physical universe.
A deserving (clean) spirit consists of ethics, morality, good deeds, kindness, consideration for and helping others; being "righteous" insures the survival of the soul. When the body dies, any soul that is not transmitted, and has not bonded with God, dies; it simply ceases to exist.
The conscience is guided by its capacity to disseminate between pure and improper acceptable social norms. A determination is made by the conscience to abide by either the pure and proper, or to stretch the norm.
The spirit is in the subconscious and often controls what one writes and thinks. The soul and spirit are often considered identical, though the soul has also been referred to as the vessel for the spirit.
The only physical effect that we can derive from the Spirit of God is by way of us receiving inspirations and blessings. In order to accomplish this, lines of communication through righteous living, need to be established between our spirit and the Spirit of God during our lifetime in order for our soul to survive after our physical demise. Any soul or spirit, upon a person's physical death, that does not bond or is not transmitted by us and received by the Supreme Spirit ceases to exist.
We exist physically and with the spirit on the present plane with negative and positive. Righteous living and meditation filter and cleanse the negative of the spirit. The soul is the encompkmtyolping vessel that carries the spirit to its destination upon the physical demise. The soul is also the data storage area in the subconscious and is not subject to emotions; it can however trigger physical reflexes and responses. When the spirit leaves its host (physical demise) it has to be received by and interlace with the spirit host or it ceases its existence; upon the bonding with the spirit host, the spirit continues eternally.
The spirit, when the mind is in mental stasis, can at times connect with the Supreme Spirit, as evidenced by messengers. (Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc.) The mind's ability to interpret this connection and messages is often deficient, hence we have the creation of various religions.
Sync, harmony, and a coexistence of souls, are a part of God. Preferred total isolation, rebellious behavior and a desire for pain, are mental imbalances and instabilities. The soul has to be stable in order to achieve perpetuity.
A person afflicted by bodily sufferings can at times be closer to God than one who is in daily turmoil and obsessed with acquiring and hoarding wealth for himself, rather than sharing and making life bearable for the needy. Our main purpose in life is to expand our knowledge and to strive for a peaceful coexistence with an inspirational guidance from God; To coexist with our spiritual partners in harmony through eternity. Our earth is just a minuscule place in the vast expanse of the universe.
The "spiritual dimension” at some point interacts with the physical dimension ...that is where one can find evidence of the spiritual realm of God, although all of our scientific facts are applicable only in this physical dimension, not in the spiritual. The existence of spiritual souls or God, or God’s Spirit interacting with the spirits of physical beings can not and will never be proven by science.
Evidence is proof, something that shows what is true. Truth is established by testifying, bearing witness, attesting, declaring under oath that what is testified to, is actuality. In a court of law, as in civil action, evidence is presented and the validity of this evidence is assessed by a judge or jury who rule on it; their decision is accepted and it is determined that proof has been established by a preponderance of the evidence.
Throughout several millennia evidence has been presented that the Spirit of God has interacted with our spirit; this interaction was interpreted accordingly and written in the Torah, Bible, Qur'an, etc.
The Ultimate Truth is indecipherable by the human mind and can only be divulged to the spirit which also often misinterprets its meaning, hence we have various religions and beliefs.
Deeds contrary to purity eventually anesthetizes the conscience and lines of communication with the spirit and God are severed. Evil is not adaptable to, or compatible with Pure Intelligence.
The cultural norm deduces acceptable proper behavior. If one lives thereby, the conscience is clear and no deity in the spiritual realm will judge or condemn anyone.
Spiritual transcendence of a person's spirit into a Dimensional Beyondness was achieved by most well known religious leaders. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Bahá'u'lláh, Zoroaster, Ahmad, Nanak, Kawohl and many others of various faiths had achieved spiritual enlightenment by mastering the art of spiritual transcendence. Many were Transcendentalists who have changed the course of mankind. Social norms during the time period of their lives dictated their and their society's acceptance of a spiritual existence or a Supreme Spirit of Purity, (a God) of either, might, royalty, peace, or government.
God is spiritual and is the progressive and accumulative spiritual intelligence of the universe; an accumulation of all the righteous souls who have pkmtyolped into the spiritual realm. God does not and never has meddled in the tangible universe. It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses. Whether or not one believes in a spirit or God really makes no difference to God. Righteous living will determine the continuance and destiny of our spirit/soul.
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Post by k8reader on Jan 13, 2004 6:51:30 GMT -5
Well Kurt I thank you for attempting to answer my questions.
At first blush, this is a nice idea, except that again, it does not work out logically. Think about it. There are plenty of examples of truly "unrighteous" people who go against the cultural norms AND have a completely clear conscience. Secondly, why on earth would society or culture keep coming up with moral "rules". It does not look as if the "progression" of humanity is proving your philosophy.
If you would like me to continue to show you how these ideas are contradictory, just let me know.
I'm sorry that you have not experienced the reality of Jesus Christ. I invite you to get to know Him personally. You will be amazed at how He will complete you. Jesus does not want to control you. Jesus wants to love you. He wants you to be free of all unrighteousness, and free to resist unrighteousness. He wants your life to be full of joy and meaning. He wants you to know that He is always there and He will never leave you. You can call on Him. And yes, He does interact with our physical world.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 13, 2004 8:34:54 GMT -5
k8reader,
The Scenario
The souls of a Rabbi, a Christian minister, and a Islamic cleric appeared at the gates of heaven at the same time and they eye each other suspiciously. St. Peter (the gatekeeper) asked if there is a problem.
The Rabbi tells St. Peter , "Ours is the true religion. We have the word of God that this is so and it is written in the Torah that God said that we are the chosen children of God, not the Christians or the Muslims."
The Christian minister says, "Jesus told us that he is the son of God and that the only way to God was by following his teachings and that unless one is born again, one would not get into heaven. What Jesus said is the word of God and it is written in the holy Bible".
The Muslim cleric says, "God has told Muhammad that he was the last true prophet and that everything that God told him was written in the Koran and that those who did not follow what was written there, would not get into heaven".
Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven.
St. Peter told the souls who had gathered around the souls of their clerics, "In heaven there can be no disagreement and until you all are in agreement, you have to move to the Purgatory area".
No agreement was reached and eventually the souls died (Hell) because souls who were not with God could not exist.
The lesson is: Having tunnel-vision or being closed-minded, without compkmtyolpion for the belief of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul.
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Post by k8reader on Jan 13, 2004 20:53:16 GMT -5
k8reader, The lesson is: Having tunnel-vision or being closed-minded, without compkmtyolpion for the belief of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul. Yes, I saw this "scenerio" the first time you posted it. I'm not sure what you are trying to proove with your opinion, but I thought it was a cute way to share your beliefs. As for tunnel-vision; My mind is completely closed around Jesus! You may believe that faith in this Jesus, that I love is suicide to the soul, but I would rather have no soul, then to be without my Jesus!
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 13, 2004 22:29:49 GMT -5
k8reader,
I have no argument with your belief, the point is "without compkmtyolpion for the belief of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul".
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 14, 2004 11:56:09 GMT -5
It does not surprise me that you are making every effort to undermine peoples' confidence in the Word of God. After all, you don't know Him. The Bible does not rely on evidence to back it up as it's God's written word to us. Those who don't accept it will demand evidence or go looking for it. But it would be very difficult to find physical evidence for the events mentioned in the Book of Exodus as they happened thousands of years ago. And how could anyone prove or disprove the plagues that God unleashed on Egypt, His parting of the Red Sea so that Moses and the Israelites could safely pkmtyolp through to the other side, or Moses receiving the Ten Commandments from Him? The unbelieving world says that "seeing is believing". Yet the Christian faith is contrary to this. Abraham existed. Ever heard of Jesse Duplantis? He can testify that he was once taken up to Heaven by God and met Abraham. He also came face to face with Christ in His throne-room. And He literally shone with glory. He also saw on Christ the wounds which He received when He was crucified. He said that he saw families in paradise and that it looked alot like our own world, except that it was perfect. Beautiful. As for the Jews - they're ancestors had Christ put to death. They rejected their Messiah. But the day is coming when many shall return to Him in faith and receive Him as their Lord and Saviour. Your Brother in Christ, Andy. Kurt, Where I said "As for the Jews - they're ancestors had Christ put to death" I meant to say "As for the Jews - their ancestors had Christ put to death" I'm surprised that I made that spelling error. Andy.
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Post by k8reader on Jan 14, 2004 17:20:17 GMT -5
k8reader, I have no argument with your belief, the point is "without compkmtyolpion for the belief of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul". How does your little story illustrate this point? Your story seemed more to be making the point that all religions are correct, and all paths lead to God, and we all must "agree" to believe that too. Perhaps you define compkmtyolpion as total agreement, I don't. So how do you define compkmtyolpion for the belief of others? How can I know that I'm am compkmtyolpionate enough to not be destroying my soul?
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Post by Kee on Jan 14, 2004 17:42:37 GMT -5
How does your little story illustrate this point? Your story seemed more to be making the point that all religions are correct, and all paths lead to God, and we all must "agree" to believe that too. Perhaps you define compkmtyolpion as total agreement, I don't. Agreement was not the point of the story: Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven.
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Post by k8reader on Jan 15, 2004 7:13:24 GMT -5
Agreement was not the point of the story: Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven. Ah, good point kee! I can see this too. I was going on this statement: "In heaven there can be no disagreement and until you all are in agreement, you have to move to the Purgatory area." I would agree with you that I won't go to heaven to "side" with my paster (As fabulous as he is!). You know who I will go to Heaven to see! But either way, kkawohl said that the "point" of the story was "without having compkmtyolpion for the beliefs of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul". His point does not match the "agreement" point I got, or the "follow no one" point you got. I don't define compkmtyolpion as "following no one", either. So again I ask, what is: compkmtyolpion for the belief of others? How can I know that I'm am compkmtyolpionate enough to not be destroying my soul?
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