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Post by kkawohl on Jan 7, 2004 11:38:18 GMT -5
obvisously you have never been touched by God. one day you will and pray you understand. unfortunately evil IS real. ... Dear Marysia, Please don't misunderstand. If Christianity works for you, great. I have always said that ALL religions have the same goal and in most cases most of its members will conduct themselves righteously and their souls will be with God upon their physical demise. God does not set a level of righteousness, it is set by humanity. Humanity means being humane; kindness, compkmtyolpion. God does not have any needs and needs nothing from man, it is man who desires God’s inspirations and blessings. Yes, my spirit has been "touched by the Spirit of God" and experienced its wondrous Oneness and I have been given a mission by the Spirit of God to correct misperceptions of God. Evil exists, but it resonates from mankind and if mankind wants to call this evil the devil, demon or whatever, so be it. If there were no mankind, there would be no evil
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Post by marysia on Jan 7, 2004 11:49:52 GMT -5
If there were no mankind, there would be no evil hi kkawohl - nice to meet you you do realize though that if there were no mankind there would also be no good. and if there was no mankind we'd not even be having this conversation LOL have a lovely day!!
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 7, 2004 12:04:01 GMT -5
Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Bahá'u'lláh, Zoroaster, Ahmad, Nanak and many others of various faiths are believed to have achieved spiritual enlightenment by mastering the art of spiritual transcendence. Is this spiritual transcendence a possibility? I disagreeessment thereof is in the affirmative as a result of my own personal spiritual experiences. Me: "Spiritual transcendence" is playing with fire. It is one of Satan's many deceptions. Abraham, Moses, Noah and Jesus did not need it to achieve "spiritual enlightenment". And Christ, being the Son of God, was already enlightened about his Divine nature. Obedience to God was all that was required. And they demonstrated that. It's all there in the Bible. "Spiritual transcendence" won't get you to Heaven. God, The Spirit. The Son. The Child. Would God, who is like a father, be masochistic and derive pleasure from his child’s pain? Nay, I say. God is the supreme love and ultimate purity. Me: God is also Just and the Supreme Judge of us all. He is Holy and won't tolerate unrepentant sinners in His midst. He will punish the evil-doers, those who have inflicted pain and suffering on the innocents. That is justice. Would God or any father allow his Son to suffer and die if he had the power to stop the pain? Nay, I say. God is the supreme love and ultimate purity. Me: This reflects your ignorance about why God allowed His Son to be crucified. Jesus Christ was willing to be put to death, so that we sinners, by faith in Him, could be reconciled to His Father in Heaven. Would God or any father want his children to worship him, bow down to him, pray to him or tell the world how magnificent he is? Nay, I say. God is the supreme love and ultimate purity. Me: God has created all things. He is wholly entitled to our obedience. The false God Proclaims: I am God, the God from the beginning of God. I did not come from nowhere. I play no magic tricks on man. I did not create the earth by casting spells. Me: God has always existed and spoke all things into existence. If in doubt, read the book of Genesis. I had a humble beginning the same as man, yet my beginning was at the dawn of spirituality. Me: God Himself never had a humble beginning, although it is true that Jesus Christ chose to humble Himself for our sakes. My wisdom grows as more spirits unite after the cessation of life after much physical strife. Me: God's wisdom doesn't grow. It has always been absolute. Throughout time I have been named God, Allah, Jehovah, The Great Spirit, and many more. Me: God is God. I do not judge man for his vanity or naivety to be the one who claims to please me the most. Me: God judges all sinners, including you and I. I am easy to please. I require very little. I only want you to do what is best for mankind. Me: God's standards are high and He judges us by them. I will bless you and wish you well. I will inspire your mind and you will accomplish the unfathomable. Me: It is God's desire to bless. I require no worship. I need nothing from man. I am self sufficient. I am spirit. Me: We have been created by God for His pleasure. We are meant to worship him and have fellowship with Him. He has given us the freedom to say "no" to Him, and perish as a result. Develop your spirit wisely, the best that you can. Live your life for the betterment of man. Me: I live to serve God, not Man. Your spirit will soon be with me and then together we will: Me: Your spirit is dead. See and traverse the universe. There are many wonders to behold. Your spirit will soar. You will partake in all the wisdom that been gathered from the beginning of time. The stars will be your playground. You can play with the animals, be with your loved ones, listen to the greatest opera, stage or musical performances, or simply relax next to a bubbling brook and enjoy the scenery. You feel no pain, despair, heartache, or negative emotions. You are now One with me, you are with God my child. --------------------- My spirit has interacted with the Spirit of God and thereof I write. Me: What utter nonsense! You haven't interacted with the Spirit of God at all - only lying, demonic spirits. You are truly blind! Andy.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 7, 2004 12:04:10 GMT -5
hi kkawohl - nice to meet you you do realize though that if there were no mankind there would also be no good. and if there was no mankind we'd not even be having this conversation LOL have a lovely day!! Actually, Marysia...God is the Supreme Good or goodness & Supreme Purity & only in mankind does evil exist. To be a part of God, the soul of man/woman is purged of evil prior to being One with God. Most of ALL religions show & teach the ways of goodness. Kurt
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 7, 2004 12:14:37 GMT -5
My spirit has interacted with the Spirit of God and thereof I write. Me: What utter nonsense! You haven't interacted with the Spirit of God at all - only lying, demonic spirits. You are truly blind! Andy. Andy, A caveat. MAT 12:32 "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come. Much of what I have written here is what my spirit has experienced and can be accepted or totally rejected by anyone if they so desire. The Spirit of God has revealed to me that God is not that petty so as to condemn mankind for their varying beliefs. The messenger is of no significance, it is the message that needs to be taken into account and judged for its merits. I believe that I have personally experienced a Oneness with The Spirit of God and as surely as I know that God exists, I know that my soul will be with God. Kurt
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 7, 2004 12:22:51 GMT -5
To anyone who may be interested:
I commissioned an artist to create a painting regarding my spiritual experience where I stated, "My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and peoples varying perceptions of God, as if in a fast-forward film". The painting shows my spiritual interaction with Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and us contemplating the beginning of mankind from Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden, Moses with the commandments, Jesus preaching to his disciples, Muhammad kneeling by the cave before the angel of God, The Crusades, The New York Twin Tower tragedy and the development of the universe.
I will gladly email a copy of the painting free to anyone who requests it via my email at kkawohl1@cox.net
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 8, 2004 7:54:31 GMT -5
Andy, A caveat. MAT 12:32 "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come. Much of what I have written here is what my spirit has experienced and can be accepted or totally rejected by anyone if they so desire. The Spirit of God has revealed to me that God is not that petty so as to condemn mankind for their varying beliefs. The messenger is of no significance, it is the message that needs to be taken into account and judged for its merits. I believe that I have personally experienced a Oneness with The Spirit of God and as surely as I know that God exists, I know that my soul will be with God. Kurt Nice words from a blind man. The only messengers who are of true significance are the Holy Spirit of God and His holy angels. You do not know God, because if you did you would not have attributed false statements to Him. And the fact that you have sufficient intelligence to quote the Holy Scriptures at me, and erroneously claim that you have Oneness with the Spirit of God, when you don't even know Him, does not impress me at all. I have two pieces of Scripture for you: From the Ten Commandments God gave to Moses: "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses His name" and from the Gospel according to John, Ch.3, v.16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life". That's the score, whether you like it or not. Andy.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 8, 2004 8:26:50 GMT -5
To anyone who may be interested: I commissioned an artist to create a painting regarding my spiritual experience where I stated, "My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and peoples varying perceptions of God, as if in a fast-forward film". The painting shows my spiritual interaction with Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and us contemplating the beginning of mankind from Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden, Moses with the commandments, Jesus preaching to his disciples, Muhammad kneeling by the cave before the angel of God, The Crusades, The New York Twin Tower tragedy and the development of the universe. I will gladly email a copy of the painting free to anyone who requests it via my email at kkawohl1@cox.net You have been deceived by Satan. You haven't met Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Abraham and Moses. Muhammad knelt before a fallen angel. He was a false prophet and is now in Hell as he never knew the one true God. Your spirit never "observed the entire history and evolution of the universe and peoples varying perceptions of God." You sound to me as though you need professional help.
Concerned, Andy.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 8, 2004 10:12:32 GMT -5
You have been deceived by Satan. You haven't met Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Abraham and Moses. Muhammad knelt before a fallen angel. He was a false prophet and is now in Hell as he never knew the one true God. Your spirit never "observed the entire history and evolution of the universe and peoples varying perceptions of God." You sound to me as though you need professional help.
Concerned, Andy. AS YOU JUDGE, YOU WILL BE JUDGED. We can use the Bible as stepping stones that lead to God; we should not interpret everything therein literally. Now our perception of God should be interlaced with logic and common sense if we want to have our beliefs get stronger over time. The Bible was written during a time when superstitions prevailed. There were claims of visions of God physically, and physical conversations with God and the devil. A road map to God, the "Holy Books" that were considered to be correct and applicable during the time that they were written, would not be totally correct and applicable today by any stretch of the imagination. Oh yes, of course, it says in the "Holy Books" that everything therein is the gospel truth. A rocket scientist who would attempt to apply his knowledge to a time two thousand years from now, would be considered feeble minded. The Bible or Torah refers to God as representing a masculine anthropomorphic figure; as the king-like ruler who demands that everyone worship him and unquestionably do his bidding through eternity. In this 21st Century many religious beliefs are as antiquated as in several millennia past. Most stories in the Bible were pkmtyolped down verbally through generations, with new additions by each generation. In past centuries superstitions were the norm. Isn't it about time that a belief in God, if one so chooses, makes sense. I have stated several times that my spirit interacted with the Spirit of God. After my first spiritual experience at age 15 I chose to do nothing and continued to lead a normal life until my second and third spiritual interaction with the Spirit of God in the year 2001 at my age 60. I was given a task by the “Holy Spirit” to attempt to bring rationality into religions. I have been called a liar, dreamer, devil, Satan, evil spirit, and many other names during my attempts to complete my mission as delegated by God. I have stated that the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit has interacted with my spirit and if that is not the truth then I will have to bear the consequences for it as stated above. I unequivocally state that I know, as I know that my spirit will be united with God upon my demise, that the only things God requires from us is to lead a righteous life, to live in peace, to love and be compkmtyolpionate toward others. Human fallibility and misconceptions have labeled God for the past several millennia as one who interferes with the natural forces and free will of people by threatening punishment to those who disobey his bidding. The spiritual existence of this deity, if one decides to accept this premise, could not have changed with the times but the perception of who or what this deity is should change as societies eliminate their superstitious beliefs. God is not encumbered by human attributes and needs or desires to be worshiped, prayed to, exalted, venerated, deified, or anything else that mankind has to offer. It is also the human characteristics and attributes that exercise upon others: power, control, dominance, destruction, punishment, revenge, and judgment. The destruction of civilizations, most sufferings and premature deaths are due to human frailties, stupidity or imperfections and are not God's doings. God, exists in a spiritual realm and never has and never will interfere with anything on earth or in the universe. God is interested in and is involved in humanity, but does not interfere in any way in our physical lives. God guides the development of the universe and everything thereon like a Master Planner. Our relationship and interaction of our spirit with the Spirit of God is for our, not God's benefit. Kurt Kawohl Please peruse my book which can be accessed FREE at: www.transcendentalism.us/ (All profits from the book are donated to charities) I have posted on numerous boards. The surprising results have been that many who practice logical reasoning have suggested as an answer to religious radicals, that they read my book.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 8, 2004 11:16:12 GMT -5
kkawohl,
False spirituality does exist you know. You don't get that with true Christianity.
Andy.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Jan 8, 2004 11:31:35 GMT -5
With all due respect, kkawohl, I don't think you're book will have any influence on those who have experienced the resurrected life of The Lord Jesus Christ inside them. This Spirit of truth is our guide, and leads us into all truth, and away from error.
You're in my prayers, friend.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 8, 2004 11:46:50 GMT -5
AS YOU JUDGE, YOU WILL BE JUDGED. We can use the Bible as stepping stones that lead to God; we should not interpret everything therein literally. Now our perception of God should be interlaced with logic and common sense if we want to have our beliefs get stronger over time. The Bible was written during a time when superstitions prevailed. There were claims of visions of God physically, and physical conversations with God and the devil. A road map to God, the "Holy Books" that were considered to be correct and applicable during the time that they were written, would not be totally correct and applicable today by any stretch of the imagination. Oh yes, of course, it says in the "Holy Books" that everything therein is the gospel truth. A rocket scientist who would attempt to apply his knowledge to a time two thousand years from now, would be considered feeble minded. The Bible or Torah refers to God as representing a masculine anthropomorphic figure; as the king-like ruler who demands that everyone worship him and unquestionably do his bidding through eternity. In this 21st Century many religious beliefs are as antiquated as in several millennia past. Most stories in the Bible were pkmtyolped down verbally through generations, with new additions by each generation. In past centuries superstitions were the norm. Isn't it about time that a belief in God, if one so chooses, makes sense. I have stated several times that my spirit interacted with the Spirit of God. After my first spiritual experience at age 15 I chose to do nothing and continued to lead a normal life until my second and third spiritual interaction with the Spirit of God in the year 2001 at my age 60. I was given a task by the “Holy Spirit” to attempt to bring rationality into religions. I have been called a liar, dreamer, devil, Satan, evil spirit, and many other names during my attempts to complete my mission as delegated by God. I have stated that the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit has interacted with my spirit and if that is not the truth then I will have to bear the consequences for it as stated above. I unequivocally state that I know, as I know that my spirit will be united with God upon my demise, that the only things God requires from us is to lead a righteous life, to live in peace, to love and be compkmtyolpionate toward others. Human fallibility and misconceptions have labeled God for the past several millennia as one who interferes with the natural forces and free will of people by threatening punishment to those who disobey his bidding. The spiritual existence of this deity, if one decides to accept this premise, could not have changed with the times but the perception of who or what this deity is should change as societies eliminate their superstitious beliefs. God is not encumbered by human attributes and needs or desires to be worshiped, prayed to, exalted, venerated, deified, or anything else that mankind has to offer. It is also the human characteristics and attributes that exercise upon others: power, control, dominance, destruction, punishment, revenge, and judgment. The destruction of civilizations, most sufferings and premature deaths are due to human frailties, stupidity or imperfections and are not God's doings. God, exists in a spiritual realm and never has and never will interfere with anything on earth or in the universe. God is interested in and is involved in humanity, but does not interfere in any way in our physical lives. God guides the development of the universe and everything thereon like a Master Planner. Our relationship and interaction of our spirit with the Spirit of God is for our, not God's benefit. Kurt Kawohl Please peruse my book which can be accessed FREE at: www.transcendentalism.us/ (All profits from the book are donated to charities) I have posted on numerous boards. The surprising results have been that many who practice logical reasoning have suggested as an answer to religious radicals, that they read my book. Superstition exists to this day and true faith and spirituality have got nothing to do with it. The Bible should be taken literally as it is the written word of God and is therefore the only true Holy Book, or rather collection of Holy Books. As for rationality, well the Bible doesn't need to be rationalized because it is all literally true. God isn't irrational. He is the supreme being. And God usually talks to people through the Bible. Satan being "the author of confusion" has got you fooled! By the way, we will all be judged by God. And while love, peace, compkmtyolpion, etc, etc, are good, so too is obedience to God. And true righteousness comes from Him. Andy.
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Post by LauraJean on Jan 8, 2004 11:52:39 GMT -5
Please don't misunderstand. If Christianity works for you, great. I have always said that ALL religions have the same goal and in most cases most of its members will conduct themselves righteously and their souls will be with God upon their physical demise. I have to step in here and point out one thing. What you describe here is precisely what Christianity is NOT. Christians believe that we cannot by our own merit "conduct ourselves righteously" enough to earn a place with God upon our physical demise. We acknowledge that evil exists in the world around us and within ourselves. Our very natures, which are sinful, keep us from God. It is only through the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus that we can be sanctified and be assured of life with God for eternity. The path you describe depends on each *fallible* individual's efforts. Christianity depends on Jesus. You cannot equate the two. Your family is in my prayers. LJ
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 9, 2004 19:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 10, 2004 10:04:07 GMT -5
In this 21st Century many religious beliefs are as antiquated as in several millennia past. Most stories in the Bible were pkmtyolped down verbally through generations, with new additions by each generation. In past centuries superstitions were the norm. Isn't it about time that a belief in God, if one so chooses, makes sense.
The Torah is the Hebrew name for the five books of Moses-the Law of Moses or the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible. The Torah is believed by Orthodox Jews to have been handed down to Moses on Mt. Sinai and transmitted by him to the Jews. It laid down the fundamental laws of moral and physical conduct. The Torah begins with a description of the origin of the universe and ends on the word Israel, after the story of the death of Moses, just before the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites. In a wider sense the Torah includes all teachings of the books of the Torah were written over a period of about 1500 years by about 40 different authors on three continents in three languages.
The first 5 books, written by Moses about 1410 B.C. were accepted as authoritative by the people that initially received them. Transmission refers to the process of getting something written up to 3500 years ago to us. During transmission the documents are copied and errors are introduced. Some, who reject the truth of the bible argue that there errors are so many and so large that the bible is unreliable. Others, who accept the truth of the bible argue that the errors and alterations by copyists only slightly if at all diminish the reliability of the bible.
Jack Cargill is a Professor of Ancient History at Rutgers University, specializing in "Ancient Greece, the Near East, and Rome, and the interactions between them, with special interests in cpkmtyollical Greek epigraphy and historical issues related to the Bible and archaeology". Quote:
...The Hebrew Bible is simply not a reliable source for the history of ancient Israel... If we are content to provide students with mythical, legendary, uncritical histories of ancient Israel, how can we have any legitimate grounds for complaint or criticism when others are willing to provide mythologized, fictionalized histories of other peoples and places?
Jack Cargill, "Ancient Israel in Western Civ Textbooks," The History Teacher (May 2001) (most Jewish historians agree with his conclusions)
Quote:
As Rabbis Face Facts, Bible Tales Are Wilting
Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation...
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine document...
The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last pkmtyolpover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all."
The rabbi offered what he called a "litany of disillusion" about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."
MICHAEL pkmtyolmING - The New York Times, March 9, 2002
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