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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 15, 2004 7:14:56 GMT -5
Agreement was not the point of the story: Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven. Kee, Are you saying that we Christians shouldn't side with our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, in defence of the Truth? Andy.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 16, 2004 13:14:25 GMT -5
Kee, Are you saying that we Christians shouldn't side with our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, in defence of the Truth? Andy. I posted a message to SonWorshiper & masarap on the last page that is applicable to you as well & would like your opinion also. I have not as yet received a response from them but you all seem to think alike so I will assume that their answers also would probably be close to yours I am fairly certain that you have already made up your mind what you believe, is the truth. Your religious views and conditionings are to date so ingrained therein that regardless if someone showed you the unadulterated truth or even if you received it directly from the Spirit of God, your conditioned mind would not be unable to absorb and translate it into the real truth. I believe that you wish to ascertain ways to fortify your own beliefs. You have been Christianized, which is great if it works for you but unfortunately some Christians turn into “Jesus freaks”, in other words, they try to convert others by using the same methods used by Bible -thumping, hell-and-aspodfija self-styled preachers. Picture this: Let’s say a native American Indian who had never heard of Jesus, read the bible, or discussed religion before and has his spirit interacts with the Great Spirit, or what mankind calls God. He would absorb and be able to translate the truth from God because his mind has not been cluttered by religious conditioning. Would you try to convert him? If your answer is in the affirmative, you should change your name to I2AMGOD.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 17, 2004 6:54:12 GMT -5
When people transcend their religious prejudices they will no longer say, “I am a Jew, a Muslim, a Christian”; then they will say “I am a Jewish Transcendentalist, a Muslim Transcendentalist, a Christian Transcendentalist”; and thereafter they will say “I am a Transcendentalist”. Namaste, Kurt Kawohl www.nderf.org/kurt_k's_nde.htm Please peruse my book which can be accessed FREE at: www.transcendentalism.us/ (All profits from the book are donated to charities) I have posted on numerous boards. The surprising results have been that many who practice logical reasoning have suggested as an answer to religious radicals, that they read my book. Transcendentalism is a philosophy based on Immanuel Kant's statement that some notions (such as space/time, morality, and divinity} cannot be directly experienced, yet still add to empirical knowledge. These notions are transcendental in that they have a higher order of existence than what we experience directly in the physical world. Kant called these notions noumena (vs. phenomena, physical things and events.) Transcendentalism is not a religion but is the attempted logic and rationality that can and should be applied to them. It is a conglomeration of similar, but diverse ideas about literature, religion, culture and philosophy. A system of philosophy emphasizing the intuitive and spiritual above the empirical and material.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 17, 2004 7:55:27 GMT -5
I posted a message to SonWorshiper & masarap on the last page that is applicable to you as well & would like your opinion also. I have not as yet received a response from them but you all seem to think alike so I will assume that their answers also would probably be close to yours I am fairly certain that you have already made up your mind what you believe, is the truth. Your religious views and conditionings are to date so ingrained therein that regardless if someone showed you the unadulterated truth or even if you received it directly from the Spirit of God, your conditioned mind would not be unable to absorb and translate it into the real truth. I believe that you wish to ascertain ways to fortify your own beliefs. You have been Christianized, which is great if it works for you but unfortunately some Christians turn into “Jesus freaks”, in other words, they try to convert others by using the same methods used by Bible -thumping, hell-and-aspodfija self-styled preachers. Picture this: Let’s say a native American Indian who had never heard of Jesus, read the bible, or discussed religion before and has his spirit interacts with the Great Spirit, or what mankind calls God. He would absorb and be able to translate the truth from God because his mind has not been cluttered by religious conditioning. Would you try to convert him? If your answer is in the affirmative, you should change your name to I2AMGOD. Jesus Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No-one comes to the Father (God) except through Me". If He told me to talk to that Native American about Him and what He has done for him by His death on the Cross and Glorious Resurrection - I would. If that man then gave his life to Christ and repented of his sins as the result of the Spirit of God witnessing to his spirit of the Truth - I would rejoice. Through obedience to the Lord my God, I made myself a willing servant to do His Will and share the Gospel of the risen Christ with this man. The Spirit of God is always in agreement with His written Word, so when His Word is preached, men and women are convicted of their sins and need of Christ. The Bible is the "Spirit-breathed Word of God". As for me having been conditioned or brain-washed by my fellow Christians - that is a lie. I have often questioned what the Bible has to say about things and I have freely chosen to believe what I believe. If you can't accept that, then tough. That's your problem, not mine. Your Brother in Christ, Andy.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 17, 2004 9:49:08 GMT -5
When people transcend their religious prejudices they will no longer say, “I am a Jew, a Muslim, a Christian”; then they will say “I am a Jewish Transcendentalist, a Muslim Transcendentalist, a Christian Transcendentalist”; and thereafter they will say “I am a Transcendentalist”. Namaste, Kurt Kawohl www.nderf.org/kurt_k's_nde.htm Please peruse my book which can be accessed FREE at: www.transcendentalism.us/ (All profits from the book are donated to charities) I have posted on numerous boards. The surprising results have been that many who practice logical reasoning have suggested as an answer to religious radicals, that they read my book. Transcendentalism is a philosophy based on Immanuel Kant's statement that some notions (such as space/time, morality, and divinity} cannot be directly experienced, yet still add to empirical knowledge. These notions are transcendental in that they have a higher order of existence than what we experience directly in the physical world. Kant called these notions noumena (vs. phenomena, physical things and events.) Transcendentalism is not a religion but is the attempted logic and rationality that can and should be applied to them. It is a conglomeration of similar, but diverse ideas about literature, religion, culture and philosophy. A system of philosophy emphasizing the intuitive and spiritual above the empirical and material. Kurt, Transcendentalism is demonic. You say that the Divine, space/time and morality cannot be directly experienced. Yet we as beings are subject to space and time. We are moral beings as God has given His Creation a moral dimension, otherwise morality wouldn't exist! We wouldn't be able to make moral choices. Would you say that going to war against another country isn't a moral choice? We can't experience the Divine? How, then, can you claim that God's Spirit has spoken to you? Either He did or He didn't. Can't be both. And Satan is the author of confusion. Andy.
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Post by Kee on Jan 17, 2004 11:15:21 GMT -5
Kee, Are you saying that we Christians shouldn't side with our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, in defence of the Truth? Andy. Andy, my impression of the story (in that context) is that those who approached the gate and had their eyes on each other, who was or was not allowed in, all stood around arguing and where thus barred from entry. The ones who entered the gate had their eyes on God and not on religion or men.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 17, 2004 11:57:03 GMT -5
Andy, my impression of the story (in that context) is that those who approached the gate and had their eyes on each other, who was or was not allowed in, all stood around arguing and where thus barred from entry. The ones who entered the gate had their eyes on God and not on religion or men. Very well said.
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Post by Kee on Jan 17, 2004 12:05:45 GMT -5
Ah, good point kee! I can see this too. I was going on this statement: "In heaven there can be no disagreement and until you all are in agreement, you have to move to the Purgatory area." I would agree with you that I won't go to heaven to "side" with my paster (As fabulous as he is!). You know who I will go to Heaven to see! But either way, kkawohl said that the "point" of the story was "without having compkmtyolpion for the beliefs of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul". His point does not match the "agreement" point I got, or the "follow no one" point you got. I don't define compkmtyolpion as "following no one", either. So again I ask, what is: compkmtyolpion for the belief of others? How can I know that I'm am compkmtyolpionate enough to not be destroying my soul? Oh sorry K8, I missed you answering this. I'm not sure "compkmtyolpion" is the word I'd use here. It's more about "acceptance" of individuals as the unique beings they are, and this involves loving unconditionally. Acceptance is a tough area though to achieve when you have conviction about your own beliefs. Let me think on this a bit and I'll perhaps add more later. BTW, I disagree with any concept that says the soul is ever extinguished, destroyed, etc. The Soul or Spirit is what we are, and not something that we have.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 17, 2004 12:09:11 GMT -5
Kurt, Transcendentalism is demonic. You say that the Divine, space/time and morality cannot be directly experienced. Yet we as beings are subject to space and time. We are moral beings as God has given His Creation a moral dimension, otherwise morality wouldn't exist! We wouldn't be able to make moral choices. Would you say that going to war against another country isn't a moral choice? We can't experience the Divine? How, then, can you claim that God's Spirit has spoken to you? Either He did or He didn't. Can't be both. And Satan is the author of confusion. Andy. You misunderstand the quote. Read it again: Transcendentalism is a philosophy based on Immanuel Kant's statement that some notions (such as . These notions are transcendental in that they have a higher order of existence than what we experience directly in the physical world. Kant called these notions noumena (vs. phenomena, physical things and events.) Transcendentalism is not a religion but is the attempted logic and rationality that can and should be applied to them. It is a conglomeration of similar, but diverse ideas about literature, religion, culture and philosophy. A system of philosophy emphasizing the intuitive and spiritual above the empirical and material. Space/time, morality, and divinity cannot be directly (physically) experienced, yet still add to empirical (spiritual) knowledge. Morality exists with or without God. God's Spirit did not speak to me, God's spirit interacted with my spirit. Satan exists only in the minds of those who believe in him.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 19, 2004 8:15:12 GMT -5
You misunderstand the quote. Read it again: Transcendentalism is a philosophy based on Immanuel Kant's statement that some notions (such as . These notions are transcendental in that they have a higher order of existence than what we experience directly in the physical world. Kant called these notions noumena (vs. phenomena, physical things and events.) Transcendentalism is not a religion but is the attempted logic and rationality that can and should be applied to them. It is a conglomeration of similar, but diverse ideas about literature, religion, culture and philosophy. A system of philosophy emphasizing the intuitive and spiritual above the empirical and material. I didn't say that Transcendentalism is a religion.Space/time, morality, and divinity cannot be directly (physically) experienced, yet still add to empirical (spiritual) knowledge. Ever heard of physical time? It's to do with the pkmtyolpage of time in our physical universe. Our seasons are manifestations of physical time here on earth. The days, weeks, months, and years of our lives come and go. As a result we grow, age, and then die. Things decay over time.
If we couldn't directly experience space we wouldn't be free to move around! It's all around us, between solid objects. We perceive it. On earth, it's filled with air. In space, it's airless, but exists between all the objects out there and our Earth.
Whenever you've made moral decisions in life, people have been affected by them. Sometimes it may just have been you. There is a spiritual principle at work in this universe that is called "Sowing and reaping". If you sow good, you reap good. If you sow evil, you reap evil. Some people call it "karma".
Yes, Divinity cannot be physically experienced unless, of course, God decided to make it so. Some people have known Angels to physically manifest themselves in their presence.Morality exists with or without God. Morality exists because of God.God's Spirit did not speak to me, God's spirit interacted with my spirit. Whether God's Spirit interacted with you audibly or not, is not the issue. If He interacted with you, He spoke to you. I doubt that He ever has.Satan exists only in the minds of those who believe in him. Wishful thinking. Satan does indeed exist and you will find this out one day. And that's not a threat by the way - just the Truth. Andy.
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Post by marysia on Jan 19, 2004 9:13:00 GMT -5
Picture this: Let’s say a native American Indian who had never heard of Jesus, read the bible, or discussed religion before and has his spirit interacts with the Great Spirit, or what mankind calls God. He would absorb and be able to translate the truth from God because his mind has not been cluttered by religious conditioning. Would you try to convert him? If your answer is in the affirmative, you should change your name to I2AMGOD. well i asnwered in my head the affirmative - however do not see how that would make you think someone consdiered themselves "God". The Great Manitou (Indian's top God) is one onf many "spirits" to whom the Indians pray and call upon for various blessings. someone who already knows and understands a higher being or arena of beings is more apt to understand Christ when fully explained. it may be harder for that person to accept, however, it also may not. the stand we take by becoming a Christian is to walk in the ways that He put s before us, to follow His example. how then would talking to people and sharing your love of the Lord to be mistaken? if one is married, don't you love your spouse and extol their virtures and goodness? I see my relationship with God in the same manner.
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 19, 2004 10:38:58 GMT -5
Andy, my impression of the story (in that context) is that those who approached the gate and had their eyes on each other, who was or was not allowed in, all stood around arguing and where thus barred from entry. The ones who entered the gate had their eyes on God and not on religion or men. Thank you Kee. But faith in Jesus Christ is essential in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Infants are the only exception to that rule....... Andy.
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Post by kkawohl on Jan 19, 2004 18:53:37 GMT -5
When people transcend their religious prejudices they will no longer say, “I am a Jew, a Muslim, a Christian”; then they will say “I am a Jewish Transcendentalist, a Muslim Transcendentalist, a Christian Transcendentalist”; and thereafter they will say “I am a Transcendentalist”. Namaste, Kurt Kawohl Transcendentalism Please peruse my book which can be accessed FREE at: www.transcendentalism.us/ (All profits from the book are donated to charities) I have posted on numerous boards. The surprising results have been that many who practice logical reasoning have suggested as an answer to religious radicals, that they read my book. Transcendentalism is a philosophy based on Immanuel Kant's statement that some notions (such as space/time, morality, and divinity} cannot be directly experienced, yet still add to empirical knowledge. These notions are transcendental in that they have a higher order of existence than what we experience directly in the physical world. Kant called these notions noumena (vs. phenomena, physical things and events.) Transcendentalism is not a religion but is the attempted logic and rationality that can and should be applied to them. It is a conglomeration of similar, but diverse ideas about literature, religion, culture and philosophy. A system of philosophy emphasizing the intuitive and spiritual above the empirical and material.
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Post by joemama on Jan 19, 2004 22:42:44 GMT -5
Thank you Kee. But faith in Jesus Christ is essential in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Infants are the only exception to that rule....... Andy. What about retarded individuals? or what about some isolated tribe who never heard of JC? personally I think this is bunk. faith is only reliance on belief. belief won't get you anywhere but into your own illusions.
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Post by joemama on Jan 19, 2004 22:45:34 GMT -5
When people transcend their religious prejudices they will no longer say, “I am a Jew, a Muslim, a Christian”; then they will say “I am a Jewish Transcendentalist, a Muslim Transcendentalist, a Christian Transcendentalist”; and thereafter they will say “I am a Transcendentalist”. Namaste, Kurt Kawohl Transcendentalism Please peruse my book which can be accessed FREE at: www.transcendentalism.us/ (All profits from the book are donated to charities) I have posted on numerous boards. The surprising results have been that many who practice logical reasoning have suggested as an answer to religious radicals, that they read my book. Transcendentalism is a philosophy based on Immanuel Kant's statement that some notions (such as space/time, morality, and divinity} cannot be directly experienced, yet still add to empirical knowledge. These notions are transcendental in that they have a higher order of existence than what we experience directly in the physical world. Kant called these notions noumena (vs. phenomena, physical things and events.) Transcendentalism is not a religion but is the attempted logic and rationality that can and should be applied to them. It is a conglomeration of similar, but diverse ideas about literature, religion, culture and philosophy. A system of philosophy emphasizing the intuitive and spiritual above the empirical and material. I like that, thankyou.
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