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Post by kkawohl on Dec 11, 2003 17:49:27 GMT -5
Philosophy is a desire to ascertain a person’s perception of particular events. The more seemingly facts one acquires of a particular unknown the more questions develop. Is our part in the universe played out when we die physically or is there maybe another dimension wherein our thought processes are accumulated and stored for future references and which can also be used as inspirations for mankind? Let us assume the existence of a collective knowledge and call it the progressive and accumulative spiritual intelligence of the universe. Is this what mankind has possibly misinterpreted for several millennia as being God? What is the purpose of our lives? We should live our life to its fullest. One hundred years from now almost every single person alive today will have died. Several billion people, wiped off the face of this earth. Our life is but a blip on the radar screen of time. Can our subconscious, our spirit possibly interact with a spiritual reality through meditation and receive the answers to some of our questions? Please consider my experiences. IMHO, I have personally experienced my spirit leaving my body and being united with the "ultimate supreme spirit" (God?). In 1956, when I was fifteen years old, I had pneumonia and thought I was dying. My father took me to a doctor who gave me a penicillin injection and recommended immediate hospitalization. We had no medical insurance or money, so my father took me home to recuperate. I remember the drive home vividly. Every breath was painful and my chest felt as though a great weight was upon it. I watched cars and trucks drive by, and wondered how people could make long term plans when life was so unpredictable. Several nights later, it felt as if my spirit left my body and it experienced being in a place with a gathering of souls or spirits. I sensed great peace, tranquility and ecstasy -- a rapture that was beyond a person's imagination. I felt as if I was a part of ALL, a part of God. I was mentally communicating and in sync with everyone, including not only some of my deceased acquaintances and relatives, but many of the prophets of the bible, and historical people I had read about. There was no dominant force, no forceful leader. I somehow knew who everyone was. Every thought interacted with the whole community. I had no questions; it seemed as if everything was revealed and crystal clear. I saw the universe stretched out with spirits engaged in mental interaction like master craftsmen contemplating the creation of a new frontier. When I told my father who was a preacher of the Lutheran Faith about my experience he dismissed it abruptly and told me that this "supreme spirit," this God that my spirit had witnessed, was not the God of the bible and he told me to pray for my salvation. We never talked about it afterwards. Since that time I never really gave it much thought until the New York World Trade Center tragedy on 9-11-01. I went into deep meditation. I wanted to find an answer to why and how some misguided individuals could believe that their actions would be rewarded with their soul's eternal life with God. I then had a couple of experiences similar to the one I had at age fifteen of my spirit communicating with the "ultimate spirit." (God, Allah or whatever one desires to call him/her/it) One spiritual experience seemed to last throughout the entire night. My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and our varying perceptions of God, as if in a fast-forward film. The experiences I encountered after the 9-11 tragedy helped me come to these conclusions: 1. ALL religions have the same goals and all who live by the basic principles of peace will attain their goal. The problems arise when religious fanaticism arises. A fanatic pkmtyolpion to please God has been demonstrated throughout the Ages. We have seen vast destruction and useless killings by religious zealots that have followed us into the present century whereby even technology is unable to quell its tide. 2. In this 21st Century, the Age of Technology, we are still plagued by religious beliefs that are a contributing cause toward terrorism, killings and wars between nations. Belief in a deity, who keeps causing catastrophes, punishes people, and created the universe out of nothingness as if by magic was brought about by hysteria and superstitions. This thought process needs to be rpkmtyoleessed and brought up to date. Open-minded people must use common sense to determine whether this so-called deity was incorrectly perceived, misinterpreted and misunderstood by the pkmtyolmes of a bygone era. 3. God is a spiritual unity, a oneness, a structured government-like "Spiritual Collective"; the "Progressive and Accumulative Spiritual Intelligence" of the universe existing in a spiritual dimension; a collective of the righteous souls who have pkmtyolped into the spiritual realm; a spiritual continuity. Some will say that my personal experience of oneness with a supreme spirit is nothing but a dream or a vivid imagination. It doesn't matter whether you accept or totally reject my story. What does matter is that we evolve to a point whereby we can encourage open-minded people to offer feedback on how our religious beliefs can be brought into the 21st century. Let us hope that man will eventually progress intellectually and evolve to a point whereby he can socialize with totally eliminated tendencies for barbarianism and without fanaticism; This would be true enlightenment. Kurt Kawohl www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.phtml?search=kurt+kawohl |
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Post by heathen76 on Dec 11, 2003 19:14:34 GMT -5
Good stuff! You will probably meet with some friction here. I would also invite you to the following board: www.iamlight.proboards22.comWhatever you do, welcome! I look forward to reading more of your posts. |
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Post by LauraJean on Dec 11, 2003 20:42:25 GMT -5
LOL, I wonder if there'll be more friction from the OP or from the invitation to the other board!  Blessings, LJ |
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Post by heathen76 on Dec 11, 2003 21:13:40 GMT -5
LOL, I wonder if there'll be more friction from the OP or from the invitation to the other board! Blessings, LJ LOL! Good point!  |
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Post by Himmel on Dec 11, 2003 22:12:23 GMT -5
Wow! That sounded like some awesome experiences you had. Do you think it might have been God you conected with in your near death experience? I understand how you feel about fanatic belief in gods or even our God being misused for killing. I know this has gone on for eons. I know God does not want us to behave in this way. I don't believe he causes bad things to happen. We have free will and sometimes choose evil. Our belief shouldn't be fanatic, but logical and kind, wanting to do good for mankind. We're to teach through loving example not force our belief with persicution and acts of violence. You have made some great points and good advice. Thank you for sharing your experience. God bless, Louise |
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Post by Jan on Dec 12, 2003 0:19:58 GMT -5
This all sounds of Buddhism/Hinduism/New Age , etc... with some Islamic flare.... Okey dokey...don't agree with your thoughts, kkawohl, but would like to welcome you to the board  <>< |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Dec 12, 2003 1:50:06 GMT -5
Philosophy is a desire to ascertain a person’s perception of particular events. The more seemingly facts one acquires of a particular unknown the more questions develop. Is our part in the universe played out when we die physically or is there maybe another dimension wherein our thought processes are accumulated and stored for future references and which can also be used as inspirations for mankind? Let us assume the existence of a collective knowledge and call it the progressive and accumulative spiritual intelligence of the universe. Is this what mankind has possibly misinterpreted for several millennia as being God? What is the purpose of our lives? We should live our life to its fullest. One hundred years from now almost every single person alive today will have died. Several billion people, wiped off the face of this earth. Our life is but a blip on the radar screen of time. Can our subconscious, our spirit possibly interact with a spiritual reality through meditation and receive the answers to some of our questions? Please consider my experiences. IMHO, I have personally experienced my spirit leaving my body and being united with the "ultimate supreme spirit" (God?). In 1956, when I was fifteen years old, I had pneumonia and thought I was dying. My father took me to a doctor who gave me a penicillin injection and recommended immediate hospitalization. We had no medical insurance or money, so my father took me home to recuperate. I remember the drive home vividly. Every breath was painful and my chest felt as though a great weight was upon it. I watched cars and trucks drive by, and wondered how people could make long term plans when life was so unpredictable. Several nights later, it felt as if my spirit left my body and it experienced being in a place with a gathering of souls or spirits. I sensed great peace, tranquility and ecstasy -- a rapture that was beyond a person's imagination. I felt as if I was a part of ALL, a part of God. I was mentally communicating and in sync with everyone, including not only some of my deceased acquaintances and relatives, but many of the prophets of the bible, and historical people I had read about. There was no dominant force, no forceful leader. I somehow knew who everyone was. Every thought interacted with the whole community. I had no questions; it seemed as if everything was revealed and crystal clear. I saw the universe stretched out with spirits engaged in mental interaction like master craftsmen contemplating the creation of a new frontier. When I told my father who was a preacher of the Lutheran Faith about my experience he dismissed it abruptly and told me that this "supreme spirit," this God that my spirit had witnessed, was not the God of the bible and he told me to pray for my salvation. We never talked about it afterwards. Since that time I never really gave it much thought until the New York World Trade Center tragedy on 9-11-01. I went into deep meditation. I wanted to find an answer to why and how some misguided individuals could believe that their actions would be rewarded with their soul's eternal life with God. I then had a couple of experiences similar to the one I had at age fifteen of my spirit communicating with the "ultimate spirit." (God, Allah or whatever one desires to call him/her/it) One spiritual experience seemed to last throughout the entire night. My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and our varying perceptions of God, as if in a fast-forward film. The experiences I encountered after the 9-11 tragedy helped me come to these conclusions: 1. ALL religions have the same goals and all who live by the basic principles of peace will attain their goal. The problems arise when religious fanaticism arises. A fanatic pkmtyolpion to please God has been demonstrated throughout the Ages. We have seen vast destruction and useless killings by religious zealots that have followed us into the present century whereby even technology is unable to quell its tide. 2. In this 21st Century, the Age of Technology, we are still plagued by religious beliefs that are a contributing cause toward terrorism, killings and wars between nations. Belief in a deity, who keeps causing catastrophes, punishes people, and created the universe out of nothingness as if by magic was brought about by hysteria and superstitions. This thought process needs to be rpkmtyoleessed and brought up to date. Open-minded people must use common sense to determine whether this so-called deity was incorrectly perceived, misinterpreted and misunderstood by the pkmtyolmes of a bygone era. 3. God is a spiritual unity, a oneness, a structured government-like "Spiritual Collective"; the "Progressive and Accumulative Spiritual Intelligence" of the universe existing in a spiritual dimension; a collective of the righteous souls who have pkmtyolped into the spiritual realm; a spiritual continuity. Some will say that my personal experience of oneness with a supreme spirit is nothing but a dream or a vivid imagination. It doesn't matter whether you accept or totally reject my story. What does matter is that we evolve to a point whereby we can encourage open-minded people to offer feedback on how our religious beliefs can be brought into the 21st century. Let us hope that man will eventually progress intellectually and evolve to a point whereby he can socialize with totally eliminated tendencies for barbarianism and without fanaticism; This would be true enlightenment. Kurt Kawohl www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.phtml?search=kurt+kawohlkkawohl, Welcome to the boards and thank you for sharing your experiences with us. There are those who I am sure will tell you that you were hallucinating or any other explanation to dismiss you. I myself had an experience during a surgery of my mother visiting me after she had pkmtyolped away. Many have said that it was the anesthetic,.......yet they did not experience what I did and I know that she was there for me. So, I can not dismiss your experiences, especially when you think about people with near death experiences all relating similar experiences. Once again, welcome and I look forward to seeing you post more. Blessings to you and yours, Ann |
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Post by Pietro on Dec 12, 2003 9:24:55 GMT -5
Good stuff! You will probably meet with some friction here. I would also invite you to the following board: www.iamlight.proboards22.comWhatever you do, welcome! I look forward to reading more of your posts. You over there too, Heathen? Kkawohl, you met with a better reception here than at Catholic-Pages. I'm sort of surprised. I've been to your site and read soe of your writings. Don't really have a problem. Who can agrue with the need for tolerance? My only concern deals with how we each interpret our own spiritual experiences. That is how different religions get started. Do we really need another religion? We do need community to help us as individuals discern our experiences and as you say,"offer feedback on how our religious beliefs can be brought into the 21st century." And also through community discernment, retain the timeless. I'd be interested in your comments on the Sunday Sacredness and Soulsleep threads. |
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Post by kkawohl on Dec 12, 2003 10:07:51 GMT -5
I thank you for the kind regards. Transcendentalism is not a religion, though it is the logic that can and should be applied to them. How can we change Muslim religious ideology to stop terrorism? How does one confront the pkmtyolpions of people with a logical entreaty to abandon faith? How does one convince a young man that his self-immolation in a bombing will not bring redemption from Allah to his soul and rewards to his people or honor to his family? If logical reasoning lodges doubt into the mind of a martyr that his soul will be destroyed as a punishment for being the cause of cutting short another soul's ability to attain a bond with Allah/God, eventually the act of self-sacrifice ceases. This is the only effective way that man will eventually attain peace. We can spend billions of dollars in an attempt to annihilate groups of people who have an adamant fanatical goal to destroy anyone who hinders the path of spreading their religion. They believe that this has been commanded by Allah. The end result will always be the same. The fanatics who are destroyed fuel the hatred of a new group with the same or an even fiercer fervor to die for their Allah if the need arises. How do we solve this problem? The pen is mightier than the sword. To the illiterate, visual projections via film is the greatest tool. The media and film producers have always shied away from the possibility of offending religious organizations. A fear of the fundamentalists' wrath has even stifled the desire for the truth. Can the real truth be revealed? Will this end strife? Maybe not, but unless we try, we will never know; will we? A fanatic pkmtyolpion to please God has been demonstrated throughout the Ages. We have seen vast destruction and useless killings by religious zealots that have followed us into the present century whereby even technology is unable to quell its tide. Muslims have been led to believe that they must expand Islam in order to please Allah/God. Since Judaism created the present perception of God, it is the duty of Judaism, the originator to bring rationality to a belief in Allah/God if Israel and Judaism wants to live in peace with Muslims. If all the events that occurred as written in the Bible, Qur’an and Torah now, today, would humanity be as gullible now and accept all miracles and God as portrayed then? If the context entails incorrect exegeses and the vast tradition of hermeneutics and the translation is illogical, it is illogical whether it is by my interpretation or by any logic. Mankind has progressed past a need for a God who desires and requires servitude. We can eliminate servitude and still have a closeness and love of God. It was man who placed restrictions on himself for the good of mankind and attributed this to God. Most of us now live in a lawful society. Now laws are proposed and enforced by governments. God does not, and never has meddled in our affairs. If we take rationality completely out of context when establishing an association with present day problems between Jews, Christians and Muslims, we can come up with numerous solutions. Reality however dictates that if there were no distinctions between Muslims, Jews, and Christians, strife would be nonexistent. The major distinction is religion The best weapon against irrationality is logic. If logic is implemented in religion, eventually the inference of reasoning has to predominate and the illogical will be considered inferior and will ridicule itself out of existence. Today we have at our disposal the means whereby the media can reach even the farthest corners of our world. True logic is the science of inference and reasoning Namaste, Kurt Kawohl www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.phtml?search=kurt+kawohl |
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Post by heathen76 on Dec 12, 2003 10:10:01 GMT -5
You over there too, Heathen? Hi Pietro! Yeah, over on that board I am "Jedi". |
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Post by kingsdaughter on Dec 12, 2003 10:34:06 GMT -5
Philosophy is a desire to ascertain a person’s perception of particular events. The more seemingly facts one acquires of a particular unknown the more questions develop. Is our part in the universe played out when we die physically or is there maybe another dimension wherein our thought processes are accumulated and stored for future references and which can also be used as inspirations for mankind? Let us assume the existence of a collective knowledge and call it the progressive and accumulative spiritual intelligence of the universe. Is this what mankind has possibly misinterpreted for several millennia as being God? What is the purpose of our lives? We should live our life to its fullest. One hundred years from now almost every single person alive today will have died. Several billion people, wiped off the face of this earth. Our life is but a blip on the radar screen of time. Can our subconscious, our spirit possibly interact with a spiritual reality through meditation and receive the answers to some of our questions? Please consider my experiences. IMHO, I have personally experienced my spirit leaving my body and being united with the "ultimate supreme spirit" (God?). In 1956, when I was fifteen years old, I had pneumonia and thought I was dying. My father took me to a doctor who gave me a penicillin injection and recommended immediate hospitalization. We had no medical insurance or money, so my father took me home to recuperate. I remember the drive home vividly. Every breath was painful and my chest felt as though a great weight was upon it. I watched cars and trucks drive by, and wondered how people could make long term plans when life was so unpredictable. Several nights later, it felt as if my spirit left my body and it experienced being in a place with a gathering of souls or spirits. I sensed great peace, tranquility and ecstasy -- a rapture that was beyond a person's imagination. I felt as if I was a part of ALL, a part of God. I was mentally communicating and in sync with everyone, including not only some of my deceased acquaintances and relatives, but many of the prophets of the bible, and historical people I had read about. There was no dominant force, no forceful leader. I somehow knew who everyone was. Every thought interacted with the whole community. I had no questions; it seemed as if everything was revealed and crystal clear. I saw the universe stretched out with spirits engaged in mental interaction like master craftsmen contemplating the creation of a new frontier. When I told my father who was a preacher of the Lutheran Faith about my experience he dismissed it abruptly and told me that this "supreme spirit," this God that my spirit had witnessed, was not the God of the bible and he told me to pray for my salvation. We never talked about it afterwards. Since that time I never really gave it much thought until the New York World Trade Center tragedy on 9-11-01. I went into deep meditation. I wanted to find an answer to why and how some misguided individuals could believe that their actions would be rewarded with their soul's eternal life with God. I then had a couple of experiences similar to the one I had at age fifteen of my spirit communicating with the "ultimate spirit." (God, Allah or whatever one desires to call him/her/it) One spiritual experience seemed to last throughout the entire night. My spirit observed the entire history and the evolution of the universe and our varying perceptions of God, as if in a fast-forward film. The experiences I encountered after the 9-11 tragedy helped me come to these conclusions: 1. ALL religions have the same goals and all who live by the basic principles of peace will attain their goal. The problems arise when religious fanaticism arises. A fanatic pkmtyolpion to please God has been demonstrated throughout the Ages. We have seen vast destruction and useless killings by religious zealots that have followed us into the present century whereby even technology is unable to quell its tide. 2. In this 21st Century, the Age of Technology, we are still plagued by religious beliefs that are a contributing cause toward terrorism, killings and wars between nations. Belief in a deity, who keeps causing catastrophes, punishes people, and created the universe out of nothingness as if by magic was brought about by hysteria and superstitions. This thought process needs to be rpkmtyoleessed and brought up to date. Open-minded people must use common sense to determine whether this so-called deity was incorrectly perceived, misinterpreted and misunderstood by the pkmtyolmes of a bygone era. 3. God is a spiritual unity, a oneness, a structured government-like "Spiritual Collective"; the "Progressive and Accumulative Spiritual Intelligence" of the universe existing in a spiritual dimension; a collective of the righteous souls who have pkmtyolped into the spiritual realm; a spiritual continuity. Hi, I have a question for you when you were in the collective did you see Seven of Nine? She was my favorite on Voyager. Were you assemilated too? Great story. Pam ;D Some will say that my personal experience of oneness with a supreme spirit is nothing but a dream or a vivid imagination. It doesn't matter whether you accept or totally reject my story. What does matter is that we evolve to a point whereby we can encourage open-minded people to offer feedback on how our religious beliefs can be brought into the 21st century. Let us hope that man will eventually progress intellectually and evolve to a point whereby he can socialize with totally eliminated tendencies for barbarianism and without fanaticism; This would be true enlightenment. Kurt Kawohl www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.phtml?search=kurt+kawohl ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by SonWorshiper on Dec 12, 2003 12:40:13 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, Kurt!
No matter what one experiences or dreams, the only thing that matters in life is:
What have you done with God's Son, Jesus Christ?
Not to discount your dreams or to say they weren't real, but the Bible is full of warnings against trusting in dreams and experiences.
It is absolutely imperative that we trust in God's Word and His Ever-Living Son if we expect true enlightenment (to borrow a New Age term). All other "lights" are false lights. All other ways are false ways. And all other paths are false paths.
Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. And only through Him can you know God. And only through Him can you possess eternal life.
Please ponder the amazing love of Jesus Christ and His amazing love for you that is found in His cross. Here is a prayer that can assist you in becoming born again:
Dear Lord Jesus, I need You...I need Your grace to forgive me and I need Your love to change me. Thank You for Your amazing love...thank You for giving me life and eternity. But above all, thank You for dying on the cross for me. Now, I'm a Christian, which means You live in me. I belong to You, I will live my life for You and will love You forever. In Your precious name I pray, Amen."
May God bless you on your spiritual journey!
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Post by kkawohl on Dec 12, 2003 12:42:49 GMT -5
Not assemilated but, yes my spirit was temporarily assimilated. Seven of Nine is a cute one isn't she? Physical assimilation is impossible in the same way as physical sightings of spirits or God is an impossibility. They were projections of mankind's imagination and often based on superstitions. |
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Post by kkawohl on Dec 12, 2003 12:50:36 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, Kurt! No matter what one experiences or dreams, the only thing that matters in life is: What have you done with God's Son, Jesus Christ?May God bless you on your spiritual journey! I thank you for the blessing and may God bless you also on your spiritual journey. Until Jesus’ baptism by John at about the age of 30 he had been an obscure carpenter from Galilee. But the baptism marked the turning point in his life - he began to believe he could be the Messiah and he now had a mission. Will they who believe that Jesus was a prophet rather than the only son of God be condemned ? Are we not, as according to the bible, children of God, therefore as children, we are also a son or a daughter of God. If Jesus were born now would people believe that he was God ? Jesus has been appropriately called the "Son of God" and "Prince of Peace". We are often reminded of the teachings of Jesus whose words have survived two millennia. His disciples kept him alive in the memories of all who heard and believed his words. They, as well as other "Men of God" who contributed to the compilation of the scriptures of the Bible, were inspired by God to give us guidelines to live by. The Scenario The souls of a Rabbi, a Christian minister, and a Islamic cleric appeared at the gates of heaven at the same time and they eye each other suspiciously. St. Peter (the gatekeeper) asked if there is a problem. The Rabbi tells St. Peter , "Ours is the true religion. We have the word of God that this is so and it is written in the Torah that God said that we are the chosen children of God, not the Christians or the Muslims." The Christian minister says, "Jesus told us that he is the son of God and that the only way to God was by following his teachings and that unless one is born again, one would not get into heaven. What Jesus said is the word of God and it is written in the holy Bible". The Muslim cleric says, "God has told Muhammad that he was the last true prophet and that everything that God told him was written in the Koran and that those who did not follow what was written there, would not get into heaven". Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven. St. Peter told the souls who had gathered around the souls of their clerics, "In heaven there can be no disagreement and until you all are in agreement, you have to move to the Purgatory area". No agreement was reached and eventually the souls died (Hell) because souls who were not with God could not exist. The lesson is: Having tunnel-vision or being closed-minded, without compkmtyolpion for the belief of others around you can be bad for the body and suicide to the soul. |
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Post by SonWorshiper on Dec 12, 2003 13:14:25 GMT -5
Hi Kurt!
As cute as your little story is, there really is very little truth in it. It is a mythical story will very little redeeming value.
You imply that proclaiming that Jesus is the only way to God is "close-minded," equivalent to "tunnel vision," and uncompkmtyolpionate toward the beliefs of others. That implication just isn't true.
While I do believe we should be compkmtyolpionate and loving while sharing The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, I also maintain that this all-encompkmtyolping view of God is is deceptive, and in essence, for a person who does know the truth (Jesus Christ), and for them not to share it with others, would be far worse than them to not share the cure to AIDS or cancer if they knew of or possessed one.
So, please, before making the kind of implications you have made, consider what you're saying. To share the truth of Jesus Christ is to exhibit extreme compkmtyolpion and love for others.
While you judge this to be narrow-minded and as having tunnel vision, those who know the truth know that not sharing Jesus Christ with the lost is the ultimate act of hate, selfishness and non-compkmtyolpion.
While I do respect your views and experiences, I also do humbly disagree with them and maintain that without Jesus Christ, you are doomed to die in your sins, for only He has made reconciliation to God for you and only through Him can you be saved.
Sincerely,
SonWorshiper
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