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Post by Nicodemus on Mar 29, 2004 13:45:16 GMT -5
Umm...the early Christians (most were illiterate) didn't have the Bible as we know it. They were converted via witnessing and miracles, etc Christ does not need a book to save people. You are not saved by believing the Bible, your saved by believing in Christ; a huge distinction. You need to be careful where you place your faith. God bless So, your reasoning that the Bible is faulty is because the early (illiterate) Christians did not have one? You are now saying that Christ doesn't need a book to save people - and we are not saved by believing the Bible, but by believing Christ. Ok. Then why don't you believe Christ? Why are you depending on Papal pronouncements - some of which were not even uttered until the 1500's (the immaculate conception of Mary). Or then again, your whole logical argument is illogical. While it is true that there was a time when the Bible as we know it did not exist - the oral transmission of truth was from the inspired letters that became our Bible. And the only papal pronouncements I give any credence to are the ones found in Acts and 1 and 2 Peter. That is, if Peter can somehow be construed to desire a man-made title. I'm pretty sure Christian and undershepherd satisfied him just fine. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Mar 29, 2004 13:48:18 GMT -5
You obviously didn't understand what my comment meant.
Well, all I can say is that journey will never start if one depends on Mary to kick it off. You may feel good about yourself, but that's not the real journey.
No one needs more than the scriptures to learn about Jesus and to meet Him through that knowledge He gave us about Himself.
Anything else is a counterfiet.
[/color][/quote] gene, What do Mary and the saints have in common?..... answer: they all point to Jesus, consecrate their lives to Jesus. What better example could a sinner have? They all say "Do what He says" They all humble themselves to Jesus. They lead others to the salvation of Jesus. They devoted their lives to Jesus. Jesus is the only salvation for us. I do not see how you can say that they do not lead us to salvation....they lead people to Jesus. Blessings, Ann |
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Post by marysia on Mar 29, 2004 14:36:10 GMT -5
gene, What do Mary and the saints have in common?..... answer: they all point to Jesus, consecrate their lives to Jesus. What better example could a sinner have? They all say "Do what He says" They all humble themselves to Jesus. They lead others to the salvation of Jesus. They devoted their lives to Jesus. Jesus is the only salvation for us. I do not see how you can say that they do not lead us to salvation....they lead people to Jesus. Blessings, Ann yup, i agree. i mean aren't we supposed witness to each other? aren't the lives of the saints just a way to know them who've witnessed in a more dramatic fashion? i see the lives of many of the Rcc Saints depicted, told or such as nothing more than - honourable people who offered their lives fully and completely to God. i think it's wonderful that through their lives and the telling of their stories - they can continue to witness for God and Christ to this very day. |
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Post by Cohdra on Mar 30, 2004 2:09:06 GMT -5
So, your reasoning that the Bible is faulty is because the early (illiterate) Christians did not have one? You are now saying that Christ doesn't need a book to save people - and we are not saved by believing the Bible, but by believing Christ. Ok. Then why don't you believe Christ? Why are you depending on Papal pronouncements - some of which were not even uttered until the 1500's (the immaculate conception of Mary). Or then again, your whole logical argument is illogical. While it is true that there was a time when the Bible as we know it did not exist - the oral transmission of truth was from the inspired letters that became our Bible. And the only papal pronouncements I give any credence to are the ones found in Acts and 1 and 2 Peter. That is, if Peter can somehow be construed to desire a man-made title. I'm pretty sure Christian and undershepherd satisfied him just fine. Interesting..I never once said I thought the Bible was faulty. It just goes to show you how easy it is to totally misinterpret what your reading. You just proved the entire argument of why personal interpretation of the Bible is wrong. There are people in the Moslem world, right now, with no access to a Bible, being saved because Christ is appearing to them in dreams. He isn't thrusting a Bible in their hands, he's telling them, I am the way, the truth, and the life.." Yep, Jesus can save souls w/o a Bible isaalmasih.net/isa/dreamsofisa.htmlGod bless |
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Post by ARKCOV on Apr 15, 2004 16:08:09 GMT -5
Pietro: As for other sacred scriptures of other religions, they give us a glimps of God but do not have the fullness of teh Bible, especially in speaking of the personhood of God, God's love for us and faithfullness to us. They do not narrate for us the incarnation or paschal mystery.
ARKCOV: None of these "other books/texts" that you are referring to preach of salvation because they are not "THE WAY, THE TRUTH nor THE LIFE". The Bible - no matter how you want to characterize it - IS the divinely inspired WRITTEN word of God - Literally. You simply choose not to believe that because of your SINful nature - which has been man's downFALL (no pun intended) since creation. Man has always attempted to discredit/undermine God and his Word and will attempt to do so until he returns with Jesus Christ.
Man = Sin
Christ = Salvation = Perfection.
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Post by Pietro on Apr 16, 2004 8:49:01 GMT -5
Pietro: As for other sacred scriptures of other religions, they give us a glimps of God but do not have the fullness of teh Bible, especially in speaking of the personhood of God, God's love for us and faithfullness to us. They do not narrate for us the incarnation or paschal mystery. ARKCOV: None of these "other books/texts" that you are referring to preach of salvation because they are not "THE WAY, THE TRUTH nor THE LIFE". The Bible - no matter how you want to characterize it - IS the divinely inspired WRITTEN word of God - Literally. You simply choose not to believe that because of your SINful nature - which has been man's downFALL (no pun intended) since creation. Man has always attempted to discredit/undermine God and his Word and will attempt to do so until he returns with Jesus Christ. Man = Sin Christ = Salvation = Perfection. It seems to you that I "choose not to believe, discredit or undermine God and his Word" because I do not share your approach to scripture and your interpretation. I hope you can begin to see the difference between God and your interpretation of God. As to other religious writings, just because you do not see God's wisdom in many places please do not condemn others who do. |
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