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Post by mook2357 on Aug 1, 2003 19:44:54 GMT -5
You must be repentent in both mind and heart. We can say we are sorry until we are blue in the face but true repentence is from within. God Bless! CC Ok...but what I am saying is that being sorry is from YOU...being forgiven is from him/her who you offended. You may be forgiven for things you are not sorry for, and you may be sorry for things that you will not be forgiven for. (in terms of human relationships...) So neither is dependent on the other...
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Post by CatholicChristian on Aug 1, 2003 22:39:59 GMT -5
Actually, I would say asking for forgiveness from the person we offended is part and parcel of the deal, but the forgiveness comes from our Lord. (The person may never forgive you), but the Lord knows our heart!
God Bless.
CC
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Post by Cohdra on Sept 12, 2003 18:38:39 GMT -5
MOst folks find this topic annoying, so I decided to bump it
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Post by Agape on Sept 12, 2003 19:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by stevec on Sept 12, 2003 21:34:45 GMT -5
MOst folks find this topic annoying, so I decided to bump it Not to be outdone in the "Annoying" department, BUMP.
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Post by Cohdra on May 22, 2004 13:26:29 GMT -5
As Jesus said to the apostles and to the whole church, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." This power to forgive or not to forgive sins is given to us by God. Many Protestants do not understand this, and wince when they hear the pastor say - "I forgive your sins in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." They are like the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus's day, who when they heard Jesus forgive the sins of a certain person, said, "Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone" (Lk 5:21). Of course Jesus is God, but they saw the man doing the forgiving. And it is true that only God can truly forgive sins, but that same God-man, Jesus Christ our Lord clearly gives this power and authority to his church.
So we believe God and do it. But just as prayer is not a natural activity for sinful man, neither is the confession of our sins. We must learn how to confess our sins, and the Bible teaches us that Confession consists of two works. The first work is ours: we confess our sins. The second work is God's: he applies the forgiveness of our sins through the spoken word of absolution.
That is what the crucified, risen and reigning Lord Jesus has sent the pastor and all Christians to do. "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you."
It is this divine, heavenly, everlasting and true peace that God wants us to have.
users.joplin.com/faith/easter1.htmGod bless
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Post by TarueBeliever on May 23, 2004 11:49:50 GMT -5
The verses of John 20:22-23 aren't Jesus giving His apostles a special power. They are Him reminding His apostles what He has already told them about the consquences of not forgiving others. Here're the verses ...
22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained." John 20:22-23 New American Standard Bible (NASB®)
Here're are those same verses from the Greek New Testament ...
22 kai' tou'to eipô'n enephu'sêsen kai' le'gei autoi's , La'bete pneu'ma ha'gion : 23 a'n tinôn aphê'te ta's hamarti'as aphe'ôntai autoi's : a'n tinôn kratê'te kekra'têntai . John 20:22-23 transliterated from the Nestlé-Aland 26 Greek New Testament (NA26)
Translating each Greek word into English ...
[22] kai' [kai'] (conj) and tou'to [hou'tos] (pn dem nom sg neu) thisnom eipô'n [le'gô] (v aor act par nom sg mas) <when> <he> was sayingnom enephu'sêsen [emphusa'ô] (v 3rd sg aor act ind) <he> blew kai' [kai'] (conj) and le'gei [le'gô] (v 3rd sg pre act ind) <he> says autoi's [auto's] (pn per/pos 3rd pl dat mas) <to> them , [,] (punc) , La'bete [lamba'nô] (v 2nd pl aor act imp) <youpl> must receive pneu'ma [pneu'ma] (n acc sg neu) a spirit ha'gion [ha'gios] (adj acc sg neu) holy : [:] (punc) ; [23] a'n [a'n] (particle) so ever tinôn [ti's] (pn ind gen pl) <of> anyone aphê'te [aphi'êmi] (v 2nd pl aor act sub) <youpl> might forgive {or let go} ta's hamarti'as [hamarti'a] (n acc pl fem) the sins aphe'ôntai [aphi'êmi] (v 3rd pl per pas ind) <they> had been forgiven autoi's [auto's] (pn per/pos 3rd pl dat mas) <to> them : [:] (punc) ; a'n [a'n] (particle) so ever tinôn [ti's] (pn ind gen pl) <of> anyone kratê'te [krate'ô] (v 2nd pl pre act sub) <youpl> might keep kekra'têntai [krate'ô] (v 3rd pl per pas ind) <they> had been kept . [.] (punc) .
In my humble opinion, the English translation is ...
[22] And when he was saying this, He blew and He says to them, "Youpl must receive the Holy Spirit; [23] So ever anyone’s sins youpl might forgive {or let go}, they had been forgiven to them; So ever anyone’s youpl might keep, they had been kept.
Please note, the Greek word translated as "forgive" is "aphi'êmi." This the word used when Jesus taught us all how to pray ...
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Matthew 6:12 NASB®
Jesus told His disciples then about the consequences of failing to forgive others ...
14 For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions. Matthew 6:14-15NASB®
Arguments in this thread over whether Jesus gave the Apostles the power to "forgive" or to "pardon" sins are moot. The words of the original Greek texts that all translations come from use the word "aphi'êmi" for what the apostles do. This word is the same word used for what God does when He forgives our sins. It's the same word used when we forgive those who sin against us.
Scott
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Post by genesda on May 25, 2004 6:54:11 GMT -5
If ALL sin is forgiven by accepting Christ, then why did Jesus give the apostles the power to absolve sin? I have never heard a good explanation of this by non-Catholic and non-Orthodox Christians. God bless He ddin't. That doctrine is a twist of the truth by the Rcc. [/color]
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