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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 4:14:04 GMT -5
No, it will never happen. It is not the mark of the beast either. That is totally incorrect. Ronda You're denying something that you obviously know nothing about. This isn't meant to be nasty, but you really don't know. This is easily seen if you know what to look for in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. First, you have to rid yourself of the false Jesuit futurism that has the Protestant world looking in the wrong direction.[/color]
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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 4:15:20 GMT -5
Exactly, Ann! The Mark of the Beast will be a worldwide thing. Ronda I agree , and I never said it would only be in the USA. The USA has to accept it first in order to force all others to follow it. [/color]
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 8, 2004 5:07:51 GMT -5
gene, Actually, wouldn't it have to be a worldwide decree for it to be the mark. The U.S. is not the whole world. Blessings, Ann The prophecy says the 2nd "beast" of Rev.13 will enforce the mark of the first beast. The second beast is the USA. When the USA forms a union, on religious common ground with the papacy, the 1st beast of Rev. 13, ie. Sunday sacredness, the mark will be in effect. The mark will become worldwide as the prophecy says, but not instantly. It will take a short while for it to become worldwide. The papacy is already calling for worldwide Sunday sacredness. All that is needed is for the USA to get on board as a national government. [/color][/quote] This idea is even more off track than some of the other stuff you've posted in other forums. The Anti Christ is a person who will come out of what is the Old Roman Empire.....the USA is not anywhere near there......it's a whole 'nother continent. (Gumpism)
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 8, 2004 5:14:27 GMT -5
No, it will never happen. It is not the mark of the beast either. That is totally incorrect. Ronda You're denying something that you obviously know nothing about. This isn't meant to be nasty, but you really don't know. This is easily seen if you know what to look for in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. First, you have to rid yourself of the false Jesuit futurism that has the Protestant world looking in the wrong direction.[/color][/quote] My study of Revelations does not reveal that. I have looked at the prophecies. It is not false Jesuit futurism. It is not the wrong direction. Ronda
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 8, 2004 5:17:20 GMT -5
Exactly, Ann! The Mark of the Beast will be a worldwide thing. Ronda I agree , and I never said it would only be in the USA. The USA has to accept it first in order to force all others to follow it. [/color][/quote] AS the Blue Law has been consistently repealed in many states, it will not be brought back. I watched as it was repealed in Texas. The USA does not force other countries to do as they want them to. France and the war in Iraq is a prime example. The mark of the beast is the mark of a MAN, not a country. Ronda
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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 6:45:33 GMT -5
This idea is even more off track than some of the other stuff you've posted in other forums. The Anti Christ is a person who will come out of what is the Old Roman Empire.....the USA is not anywhere near there......it's a whole 'nother continent. (Gumpism) There is no "old Roman Empire", and there won't be a new one. The reason you believe I'm off track is because you haven't learned the truth about the prophecies. The antiChrist is a person. The "beast" is an organization with a man at it's head "speaking great things against the Most High" as it says in Daniel. The papacy has and does speak blasphemies against God by claiming to have the authority to forgive sins in God's stead. It claims to be "God on Earth" It claims to be able "to judge and excommunicate angels out of heaven if they err in the faith". The papacy used the title Vicarius Filii Dei which equals 666 when Roman numerals are applied to the letters of the title. The papacy did "wear out the saints"(believers) during the 1,260 years of the absolute rule of the papacy.
This list is long and is easy to see, if you get the right pointers of what to look for.
History along with the prophecies only point in one direction, the papacy. The early Reformers recognized and taught this because it's not new.
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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 6:53:49 GMT -5
My study of Revelations does not reveal that. I have looked at the prophecies. It is not false Jesuit futurism. It is not the wrong direction. Ronda It is almost impossible to understand Revelation correctly without understanding Daniel first. Don't you suscribe to the "secret rapture theory"? If so, then you are using the Jesuit futurism method of prophetic interpretation.
God gave us a road map to understand who the antiChrist is. He revealed it in the scriptures. Now, if I'm wrong, who is the antiChrist identified by the scriptures in Daniel and Revelation? Who is the "little horn" of Daniel 7 that came up from among the ten nations that the Roman Empire split into?
Do you know when the "little horn" "came up"?
Do you see the same vision in Daniel 2 as in Daniel 7 but told using different symbols? It is the same vision repeated.
Tell me where I can read of a gap between the 69th week and the 70th week of Daniel 9.
Please answer these questions.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 8, 2004 8:54:57 GMT -5
This idea is even more off track than some of the other stuff you've posted in other forums. The Anti Christ is a person who will come out of what is the Old Roman Empire.....the USA is not anywhere near there......it's a whole 'nother continent. (Gumpism) There is no "old Roman Empire", and there won't be a new one. The reason you believe I'm off track is because you haven't learned the truth about the prophecies. The antiChrist is a person. The "beast" is an organization with a man at it's head "speaking great things against the Most High" as it says in Daniel. The papacy has and does speak blasphemies against God by claiming to have the authority to forgive sins in God's stead.
No, if you read the catechism, you would see that it says only God can forgive sins.
It claims to be "God on Earth"
It is the representative of God on earth...big difference
It claims to be able "to judge and excommunicate angels out of heaven if they err in the faith".
That is a new one on me.
The papacy used the title Vicarius Filii Dei which equals 666 when Roman numerals are applied to the letters of the title.
Still spouting this one, huh? That is not a title of the papacy. See the vatican site for the official titles applied to the pope.
The papacy did "wear out the saints"(believers) during the 1,260 years of the absolute rule of the papacy.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
This list is long and is easy to see, if you get the right pointers of what to look for.
or if you read into them what you want it to be.
History along with the prophecies only point in one direction, the papacy.
as I have pointed out before, if you are watching for a thief, do not just watch the door, he might come in the window.
The early Reformers recognized and taught this because it's not new.
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Post by genesda on Apr 12, 2004 4:27:56 GMT -5
Blessings, Ann As you said Ann, you have no idea. Maybe if you tried learning the truth instead of just trying to defend that which you know nothing about, you might have your eyes opened. [/color]
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 12, 2004 12:11:49 GMT -5
Blessings, Ann As you said Ann, you have no idea. Maybe if you tried learning the truth instead of just trying to defend that which you know nothing about, you might have your eyes opened. [/color][/quote] Ah gene, You are so consistent. I think that if you did not twist my words and hurl insults I would be dissappointed. Blessings, Ann
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Post by genesda on Apr 14, 2004 4:14:45 GMT -5
Ah gene, You are so consistent. I think that if you did not twist my words and hurl insults I would be dissappointed. Blessings, Ann I haven't twisted anything. If you don't understand the terminology, then you don't have a clue as to what the prophecies are talking about. You constantly show that yopu don't understand the scriptures and that you only quote Rc sources for your answers. To quote someone else for answers does in fact show a lack of understanding. [/color]
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Post by Kee on Apr 24, 2004 18:17:27 GMT -5
Exactly, Ann! The Mark of the Beast will be a worldwide thing. Ronda I agree , and I never said it would only be in the USA. The USA has to accept it first in order to force all others to follow it. [/color][/quote] Hey Bush is working on that. Look how convinced you already are gene. Little trouble with your theory though... I don't think enough of the United States will ever go Bush-Republican. However, you'll notice that many are already buying into the forcing of others. That will be your greatest nightmare won't it? Finding out that it's the liberals, Democrats and Independents that turn out to be the Tribulation Force and resisters to your mark. ;D
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Post by genesda on Apr 26, 2004 4:27:01 GMT -5
Hey Bush is working on that. Look how convinced you already are gene. Little trouble with your theory though... I don't think enough of the United States will ever go Bush-Republican. However, you'll notice that many are already buying into the forcing of others. That will be your greatest nightmare won't it? Finding out that it's the liberals, Democrats and Independents that turn out to be the Tribulation Force and resisters to your mark. ;D It won't be a nightmare, in fact, if it happens under a Republican government, I won't be surprised at all. I just don't like the Democratic lies that are being told daily by Kerry. He disgusts me to just see him on the tube. I'll take this one step further. I really expect that it will be a Republican administration that will bring about the mark. The mark of the beast is a belief concerning worship. We already know the Democrats run away from religion, except when they want to show that they go to church to attempt to get support from church going people. The Democrat leadership is really anti-religion, if you look deeply into them. They avoid using words like "Christian", "Jesus" or "prayer", except when the want to stop those things from being practiced in public.
Surprised to see me write this?
9/11 wasn't big enough for the Christian right to call for a "return to God", which will bring about the beginning moves for the installation of the mark as a mandatory law. I believe we will see a disaster so big that the "Christian right" will call for a law making worship mandatory. Laugh if you wish, but watch and remember. The first ammendment, which has already been repudiated in some areas, will be pushed aside and state sponsored religious practices will become mandatory.
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Post by Onion on Apr 26, 2004 23:25:07 GMT -5
I believe we will see a disaster so big that the "Christian right" will call for a law making worship mandatory. Laugh if you wish, but watch and remember. The first ammendment, which has already been repudiated in some areas, will be pushed aside and state sponsored religious practices will become mandatory. [/b][/color][/quote] Oh Good Lord!!!And people think I am wacky! Madatory worship??? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hey buddy, Jesus is a Liberal!
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Post by Kee on Apr 26, 2004 23:33:29 GMT -5
Hey buddy, Jesus is a Liberal! Exactly! He sure was.... ;D ;D ;D
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