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Post by genesda on Apr 2, 2004 5:31:45 GMT -5
gene, I am going by the events that proponents of the rapture go by, not yours, or each person can state what they believe that the sequence of events will be. I know your beliefs, trying to get others inputs on how they would feel if the rapture would not occur. Thanx for sharing, Blessings, Ann O.K., I would like to know that also because they will be in for a shock. On the news the other day there was a part about people buying Tim Lehaye's books in vast numbers as though he has the answers. He is misleading pkmtyolmes of people with his false theories and misinterpretations of the scriptures. [/color]
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Post by kingsdaughter on Apr 2, 2004 12:09:30 GMT -5
theres not enough time left in this decade for the Rapture to occur, at the very least the the peace pact would have to be signed imho, before the rapture could happen other wise people would not understand what was going on. Also God has not started moving the Jews from the West yet. My 2 cents. ysid Pam
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Post by genesda on Apr 5, 2004 4:20:43 GMT -5
theres not enough time left in this decade for the Rapture to occur, at the very least the the peace pact would have to be signed imho, before the rapture could happen other wise people would not understand what was going on. Also God has not started moving the Jews from the West yet. My 2 cents. ysid Pam What peace pact?? [/color]
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Post by kingsdaughter on Apr 5, 2004 15:51:54 GMT -5
theres not enough time left in this decade for the Rapture to occur, at the very least the the peace pact would have to be signed imho, before the rapture could happen other wise people would not understand what was going on. Also God has not started moving the Jews from the West yet. My 2 cents. ysid Pam What peace pact?? [/color] [/quote] The one the antichrist confirms for seven years then breaks after 3 yrs. Dan.9:27 even if you don't agree with this I do. ysic Pam
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Post by genesda on Apr 6, 2004 4:37:33 GMT -5
The one the antichrist confirms for seven years then breaks after 3 yrs. Dan.9:27 even if you don't agree with this I do. ysic Pam
Sorry Pam, but that's a false idea. That covenant was in existance and was confirmed by Jesus during His walk on this Earth. There will be no future 7 year period. Dan.9:27 is over. It ended in 34 a.d. as the 70th week ended. You've been suckered by the Jesuit invented "futurism" concept of prophetic interpretation that was formulated during the Reformation to get the finger pointing away from the papacy which was identified as the antiChrist spoken of in Daniel and Revelation.
There is no gap in the prophecy. Simply put, if there was a "gap" of time, the prophecy wouldn't be 70 weeks. It would be an indefinite period of time because according to whta you've accepted, no one knows how long the prophecy will be. If you don't believe this, then tell me how long YOUR 70 weeks idea is? The prophecy doesn't say "62 weeks plus 7 weeks plus an undetermined amount of time then 1 more week." It says "70 weeks". This 70 weeks prophecy is finished. [/color]
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Post by Shirley on Apr 6, 2004 4:58:46 GMT -5
This has always confused me..the various thoughts on this matter.. Where do you, Gene, say we are right now..in this prophetic timeline? What would be the next event? Is there a next event, or do we just go on and on? Is it only the book of Revelation that is to be considered in the "end time" scenario?
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Post by genesda on Apr 6, 2004 6:15:56 GMT -5
This has always confused me..the various thoughts on this matter.. Where do you, Gene, say we are right now..in this prophetic timeline? What would be the next event? Is there a next event, or do we just go on and on? Is it only the book of Revelation that is to be considered in the "end time" scenario? I believe we are between verses 13 and 14 of Revelation 6. There has already been an Earthquake like the world has never seen in Lisbon Portugal in 1755, I think that year is correct. In 1833 there was what is called "the darkest day" in which there is no scientific explanation offered, the sun "went out" and it stayed dark all day until the evening. In Congress, they had to use candles, Roosters started crowing, the cows came in from the fields, and this was all about 9:00 in the morning. Then right afterwards, the moon was "blood red". Some years later, there was a meteor shower in which it is estimated that over 100,000 meteors PER HOUR fell to the Earth fopr a period of about 6 hours.
I'm writing these dates from memory as i don't have the material with the dates in front of me, but they did happen already. Daniel and Revelation are the two main prophetic books that give us the future. There are events still to come. It is believed these events will be repeated. I'm looking for Sunday sacredness to become national law. Then we will be very near to Christ's return. There have already been hints at this. Clinton wanted a national "family day", and guess which day that was? The "Christian Coalition wanted Reagan to sign a "Sunday law" in return for their support. He said if the legislation came to his desk, he would sign it. The pope is calling for world wide Sunday sacredness, but we know why he wants that. He is the beats power and sunday sacredness would be his mark or better yet "the mark". It's on the way.
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Post by Shirley on Apr 6, 2004 16:49:32 GMT -5
I thought we already had "Sunday sacredness"..and it was abolished? I remember as a child..there were certain things you could not buy on Sunday..some stores had to remain closed..the old "blue laws" as they were called.. Are talking about a return to this? Or something different? I remember my mother not doing work on Sunday, other than cooking meals and stuff associated with that. We could not do laundry and other stuff.. Of course, we didn't "do" church either..so I'm not sure what was up with that..perhaps just a ritual from her childhood.
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Post by genesda on Apr 7, 2004 5:12:03 GMT -5
I thought we already had "Sunday sacredness"..and it was abolished? I remember as a child..there were certain things you could not buy on Sunday..some stores had to remain closed..the old "blue laws" as they were called.. Are talking about a return to this? Or something different? I remember my mother not doing work on Sunday, other than cooking meals and stuff associated with that. We could not do laundry and other stuff.. Of course, we didn't "do" church either..so I'm not sure what was up with that..perhaps just a ritual from her childhood. The "blue laws" are still in effect in some states. In La., you cannot buy an auto on the Sunday, but that's not what made it the "mark". It will require a national decree affecting all states and all people before the "mark" will be accepted.. [/color]
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 7, 2004 6:11:14 GMT -5
I thought we already had "Sunday sacredness"..and it was abolished? I remember as a child..there were certain things you could not buy on Sunday..some stores had to remain closed..the old "blue laws" as they were called.. Are talking about a return to this? Or something different? I remember my mother not doing work on Sunday, other than cooking meals and stuff associated with that. We could not do laundry and other stuff.. Of course, we didn't "do" church either..so I'm not sure what was up with that..perhaps just a ritual from her childhood. The "blue laws" are still in effect in some states. In La., you cannot buy an auto on the Sunday, but that's not what made it the "mark". It will require a national decree affecting all states and all people before the "mark" will be accepted.. [/color][/quote] Most states have done away with the "blue laws." There will never be a national blue law. Ronda
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Post by genesda on Apr 7, 2004 6:58:08 GMT -5
Most states have done away with the "blue laws." There will never be a national blue law. Ronda Don't say "never". It's coming and I believe you'll see it. Whether it be by terrorists or natural, some disaster of such great magnitude will see the likes of Pat Robertson, or others calling for a return to God because He allows us to suffer great losses because we have left Him out of our lives as a nation. There will be a call for the Government to recognize God's law, the sabbath, and there will be an outcry for Congress to institute a national sabbath/Sunday. Over the objections of many, it will come to pkmtyolp. This will be the mark of the beast, and recognizing who the first beast of Rev.13 is, let's us then know what to look for as the "mark". Since I already know who the beast is, I also know what the mark is.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 7, 2004 11:11:34 GMT -5
I thought we already had "Sunday sacredness"..and it was abolished? I remember as a child..there were certain things you could not buy on Sunday..some stores had to remain closed..the old "blue laws" as they were called.. Are talking about a return to this? Or something different? I remember my mother not doing work on Sunday, other than cooking meals and stuff associated with that. We could not do laundry and other stuff.. Of course, we didn't "do" church either..so I'm not sure what was up with that..perhaps just a ritual from her childhood. The "blue laws" are still in effect in some states. In La., you cannot buy an auto on the Sunday, but that's not what made it the "mark". It will require a national decree affecting all states and all people before the "mark" will be accepted.. [/color][/quote] gene, Actually, wouldn't it have to be a worldwide decree for it to be the mark. The U.S. is not the whole world. Blessings, Ann
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 7, 2004 19:20:08 GMT -5
Most states have done away with the "blue laws." There will never be a national blue law. Ronda Don't say "never". It's coming and I believe you'll see it. Whether it be by terrorists or natural, some disaster of such great magnitude will see the likes of Pat Robertson, or others calling for a return to God because He allows us to suffer great losses because we have left Him out of our lives as a nation. There will be a call for the Government to recognize God's law, the sabbath, and there will be an outcry for Congress to institute a national sabbath/Sunday. Over the objections of many, it will come to pkmtyolp. This will be the mark of the beast, and recognizing who the first beast of Rev.13 is, let's us then know what to look for as the "mark". Since I already know who the beast is, I also know what the mark is.
[/color][/quote] No, it will never happen. It is not the mark of the beast either. That is totally incorrect. Ronda
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Post by AuntRonda on Apr 7, 2004 19:22:15 GMT -5
gene, Actually, wouldn't it have to be a worldwide decree for it to be the mark. The U.S. is not the whole world. Blessings, Ann Exactly, Ann! The Mark of the Beast will be a worldwide thing. Ronda
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Post by genesda on Apr 8, 2004 4:11:02 GMT -5
gene, Actually, wouldn't it have to be a worldwide decree for it to be the mark. The U.S. is not the whole world. Blessings, Ann The prophecy says the 2nd "beast" of Rev.13 will enforce the mark of the first beast. The second beast is the USA. When the USA forms a union, on religious common ground with the papacy, the 1st beast of Rev. 13, ie. Sunday sacredness, the mark will be in effect. The mark will become worldwide as the prophecy says, but not instantly. It will take a short while for it to become worldwide. The papacy is already calling for worldwide Sunday sacredness. All that is needed is for the USA to get on board as a national government. [/color]
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