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Post by AuntRonda on Feb 8, 2004 20:57:26 GMT -5
Just trying to liven things up a bit.
I believe in a Pre-Trib rapture myself. Based on Thessolians.
Ronda
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Post by Himmel on Feb 9, 2004 15:52:03 GMT -5
I don't believe there will be a rapture. Those of us who are around at the end of days will go through a tribulation. Survival will depend on wheather we've recieved Christ and staying conected through the Holy Spirit, as we will really need this guidence like never before! God bless, Louise
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Post by Jan on Feb 9, 2004 21:40:30 GMT -5
Pre-Trib! <><
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Post by HomeAtLast on Feb 10, 2004 0:24:05 GMT -5
My vote is that there will be no rapture as most think of it. The Second Coming of Jesus is what so many think of as the rapture is described as in the Bible, IMHO.
But then, who knows. I am along for the ride. God is the driver.
Blessings, Ann
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Post by Jan on Feb 11, 2004 23:25:04 GMT -5
My vote is that there will be no rapture as most think of it. The Second Coming of Jesus is what so many think of as the rapture is described as in the Bible, IMHO. But then, who knows. I am along for the ride. God is the driver. Blessings, Ann The Second Coming is Christ touching terra firma like He did when He first came - the Rapture of His Church is a meeting in the air <><
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Post by HomeAtLast on Feb 12, 2004 0:50:25 GMT -5
The Second Coming is Christ touching terra firma like He did when He first came - the Rapture of His Church is a meeting in the air <>< I have know the difference between the two definitions. What I am saying is that what some people see as the rapture are just more pkmtyolpages describing the second coming. A book, "The Rapture Trap" by Paul Thigpen explains it quite well as he studied the bible in its original languages. Blessings, Ann
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Post by Ben johnson on Feb 12, 2004 3:16:17 GMT -5
There is no verse in the Bible that even hints of a "Pre-Trib Rapture". Please cite some if you would liike to discuss. The problem is when you CONNECT 1Thess4:15-17 with Rev20:4-6. Paul says "we who are alive and remain shall not preceed those who have (died); for the dead in Christ will be raised FIRST; and THEN (and only then) will we-living be CAUGHT-UP ('Harpazo') to meet with Jesus in the air." Rev20:4 says: "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded, who had not taken the mark nor worshipped the beast ...they came to life and reigned with Him for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were complete; this is the FIRST RESURRECTION." If there is a PRE-TRIB-RAPTURE, then that contradicts 1Thess4. There would be a GREAT-RESUURECTION, then the LIVING raptured, then a SMALL MARTYR-RESURRECTION. And SOME dead would SUCCEED the LIVING. Paul says, "the LIVING will PRECEED the DEAD". Period.There is no way to contradict 2Thess2: "We request you, brethren, with regard to the COMING of the Lord AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER"... There is no way this is NOT talking about the Rapture; our GATHERING. But notice it is ONE EVENT; you cannot separate His COMING and our RAPTURE with SEVEN YEARS; it is ONE event; His COMING and (kai) our GATHERING. "Let no one in ANY WAY DECEIVE you; for it will not come UNLESS the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed." Man of lawlessness? Doesn't that happen IN the tribulation? The whole of Luke21 is structured as warning about the Tribulation. King James in vs26 uses "kataxioo", COUNTED WORTHY. But I understand the more credible texts use "Katischuo", HAVE STRENGTH. So that it reads: "Pray that you HAVE STRENGTH to FLEE AWAY from all these things that are about to take place." (Ekpheugo, flee-from, escape by fleeing.) That's hardly advice for those who will be RESCUED OUT OF a tribulation, isn't it?
(Look at bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible, the ENGLISH is "counted worthy"; but right underneath it is plainly, "KATISCHUO-have-strength". Oops... )
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Post by Kathy on Feb 12, 2004 4:03:35 GMT -5
I do not believe in a secret rapture.
Mat 13:30 'Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."' "
1 Th 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 1 Th 5:3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 1 Th 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
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Post by Ben johnson on Feb 12, 2004 15:38:58 GMT -5
I agree. The angels said: "Why do you stare into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up into Heaven, will come again in just the same way as you saw Him leave". Acts1:11
"Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send for His angels with a great trumpet and will gather together His elect (chosen onees) from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other." Matt24:31
If the Rapture has occurred SEVEN YEARS EARLIER, then who is Jesus gathering in Matt24:31? Can't be "only the Tribulation Martyrs", because 1Thess4:15 says the LIVING shall not preceed the DEAD. How can the Tribulation Martyrs NOT be resurrected BEFORE we are raptured?
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Post by Kathy on Feb 12, 2004 15:53:10 GMT -5
I agree. The angels said: "Why do you stare into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up into Heaven, will come again in just the same way as you saw Him leave". Acts1:11 "Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send for His angels with a great trumpet and will gather together His elect (chosen onees) from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other." Matt24:31 If the Rapture has occurred SEVEN YEARS EARLIER, then who is Jesus gathering in Matt24:31? Can't be "only the Tribulation Martyrs", because 1Thess4:15 says the LIVING shall not preceed the DEAD. How can the Tribulation Martyrs NOT be resurrected BEFORE we are raptured? Agree, the Bible also says: 1 Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
I believe we will be "caught up" to meet Him (at the second coming) and return ( to earth ) with him.
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 12, 2004 19:10:16 GMT -5
Pre Trib!!
That has been my belief for years. And I still believe it. It seems the most logical by what the Bible says.
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 12, 2004 19:11:33 GMT -5
Pre Trib!!
That has been my belief for years. And I still believe it. It seems the most logical by what the Bible says.
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 12, 2004 19:15:26 GMT -5
sorry don't know why it posted twice
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Post by HomeAtLast on Feb 12, 2004 21:55:49 GMT -5
sorry don't know why it posted twice LOL Matt, I just thought you were making a vey emphatic statement. Blessings of His love, Ann
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Post by Ben johnson on Feb 15, 2004 1:09:37 GMT -5
Does seem to support that. In 1Thessalonians 4:17, the word for “meet” is “apantesis”. It is used only 4 times in the New Testament; and in all four cases, it conveys the meaning of “meet-and-proceed-forward”; it does not mean “meet-and-run-away-with”. (Mtt25:1&6, Acts 28:15) What do you think about the posts we've been makin' here? Did you read any of 'em?
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