Destruction of Jerusalem significance

[guidemeLord]

vinsight4u said:

Well, I start by taking the last part of the comments.

1290 days
1335 days

Daniel was told that at the end of the days he would no longer be resting.

Do you really believe that Daniel rose from the dead already as in his grave is empty?

Daniel 12
v. 1
a time of trouble
such as never was
at that time thy people shall be delivered
every one that shall be found written in the book

So all the saved get raised from the dead -once that time of a such as never was has happened.

Then why are believers still dying?

sleep in the dust shall awake
to everlasting life

So how could a believer die in our days or even since the days of Nero -and ever get eternal life?
to everlasting life

the only other part mentioned as to those that sleep and will awake one day -to everlasting contempt

As long as the church is being slain -Jesus has not come back.

Daniel 12:10
many shall be purified

Okay, so during that time -that final time of many tested of the church -many getting purified -then comes only so many days

1290
1335

v. 13
But go thy way till the end [be]
for thou shalt rest

In short -Daniel you will be dead and rise at the end of the days.
The time when some in the grave can get eternal life.

So what else tells us this was not in the days of Nero?
Well, the vile person rises to power in v. 21.

Check the words here -that's what we'll do!
First, no mention of anything but single kings of the north and the south that war with each other.

So did Nero war with Egypt?
How about did the ships of Chittim (Cyprus) chase him off?
How about a holy covenant?
What about taking the holy site-not just the city must be taken-but the actual holy place of the temple of God?

Let's see -how about a quick look to see if the kings before Nero did the prophecied parts that must come to pkmtyolp?
Wow
fenced cities
robbers of Israel
then the king of the north comes and takes the most fenced cities

no strengh for Egypt to withstand

It's just not adding up -not the days of Nero and certainly nothing else as to kings in history yet either.

This must all come to pkmtyolp.

robbers of they people exalt themselves
(Palestinians?)
Israel? builds fenced cities -as she is today
they (the robbers) shall fall
So the king of the north shall come -and take the most fenced cities (Israel -the ones that wanted this fence to keep the terror of the Palestinans out). God shows the fenced cities will be taken by the king of the north (Babylon/Iraq).

Neither Nero nor Vespasian stopped the daily sacrifices at the temple of God.
Titus did though before the people destroyed the temple of God by fire.

Hey, before I leave this check out Daniel 11:19
not be found

a king of the north must war with Israel and Egypt and not be found
-like Enoch and Elijah -search -a diligent search is made and they can find no remains
Of course Enoch and Elijah have gone to heaven and will come back as the two witnesses -as they must die.
No one else can keep on living unless they have been only on the earth till Jesus comes.
Those in heaven will be coming back with Jesus and we are told they are all dead -those that sleep.
Thus Elijah and Enoch have to die so they will be among those that sleep and come back at the end of the trib with Jesus when it is resurrection of the just and rapture time. The wicked that had been paryting hardy will now see them rise and be frightened.

So you disagree with Clement?

[larrygn]

Nero did not war with Egypt, he ruled it.

Daniel is written to the people of Isreal, after they had fallen from grace, and told them of the events to come for their doom, if they did not accept the last chance = the Messiah, that he would send, they did not, and they got what was fortold,

END OF STORY!!!!

Now, we go on, with the same church, but not the main vein of the day, that would have been now called the Jewish church, it gave up its rights through its leaders and people in 27 A.D. ( come to think of it, you see how inaccurate historians the early church father s were, when they can not do better that get the birth of Christ, which we now know was 4-6 B.C. The appearance of the great supernova explosion, which is recorded as far away as in Chinese records, and appears over the middle east for all the world to have seen, THE BRIGHT STAR ).

Larry

[semperfidelis]

SJudy said:

Apology accepted
I know satan has no power, when we know its him acting. Many are held in prison by him, not knowing that the door is unlocked! So they sit in their cell. In that sense he still holds the power over them. Most are not even aware that all they have to do is open the door and walk out (so to speak). So I guess his power is in persuasion.
God Bless,
Shirley

I would disagree that Satan has no power. Obviously he has the power to tempt, and control through bondage and effect things. The decline of society can be partly blamed on his influence. Throughout revelation it also states that the Antichrist will be given power from Satan to carry out all sorts of evil acts into the world and against the Saints.

I guess it is a matter of perspective, but he will not be powerless until first he is bound for 1000 years and then thrown into the lake of fire after he is loosed from he abyss.

I think the point you are trying to make is that he is powerless against Christ and those that follow Christ.

[guidemeLord]

semperfidelis said:

I would disagree that Satan has no power. Obviously he has the power to tempt, and control through bondage and effect things. The decline of society can be partly blamed on his influence. Throughout revelation it also states that the Antichrist will be given power from Satan to carry out all sorts of evil acts into the world and against the Saints.

I guess it is a matter of perspective, but he will not be powerless until first he is bound for 1000 years and then thrown into the lake of fire after he is loosed from he abyss.

I think the point you are trying to make is that he is powerless against Christ and those that follow Christ.

So if satan IS powerless against Christ and those that follow Christ then aren't you and I "kept from the evil one"? as Christ prayed in Jhn 17:15? (I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. )

Why then would Christ need to take His church to heaven and physically rebuild the heavens and earth, build a physical temple, a physical altar... Is this so the Jews can start sacrificing again?
Speaking to Jewish Christians in the first century...1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Isn't it a possiblity that the devil being cast into the lake of fire is a spiritual reference to Christians being affected by the devil? I mean it is Christians that SHOULD be full of the joy of the Lord.. never crying except in awe of God.. Jesus said this world is overcome... is it? (Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.)

[larrygn]

guidemelord.
If you really think all this happened in such a short time, what do you think the purposes of the last 2000 years were? God has a purpose for all things, so if we can not answer all questions, we need to continue searching, but always with Him in mind.

I beleive that my timing gives the only sequences which allow for him to do things as he foretold, and still allow us to get the jobs done that he has given us. We shall be judged for not only how we acted, but how we responsed to his commands. Larry

[semperfidelis]

guidemeLord said:

So if satan IS powerless against Christ and those that follow Christ then aren't you and I "kept from the evil one"? as Christ prayed in Jhn 17:15? (I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. )

Why then would Christ need to take His church to heaven and physically rebuild the heavens and earth, build a physical temple, a physical altar... Is this so the Jews can start sacrificing again?
Speaking to Jewish Christians in the first century...1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Isn't it a possiblity that the devil being cast into the lake of fire is a spiritual reference to Christians being affected by the devil? I mean it is Christians that SHOULD be full of the joy of the Lord.. never crying except in awe of God.. Jesus said this world is overcome... is it? (Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.)

No, I think you are reaching and trying to twist scripture to meet your viewpoint. We are protected from Satan because of our belief in Christ but that does not mean the rest of the world is. Obviously he still has influence and there is a huge spiritual war going on between good and evil on a daily basis.

Did you just see yesterday where a gay priest was allowed in the Church. Does that look like a word that is being directly ruled by Christ? It is not that he cannot stop it, it is that he wont stop it until the time and dates are correct.

Christ has overcome the world, but he also told the disciples that the world would hate them and they would see persecution, this holds true to us today. Obviously some of Gods believers are not protected against some forms of evil that go on the world. Why not? Obviously if you believe in Christ your soul is protected for sure but that does not mean you will not face difficulties from the world at this point in time.

Satan is going to try to stop Christ from returning and setting up his kingdom as it is written in Daniel 2 and Revelation 19. That is when the Antichrist will come into the world and the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements will be carried out. The two witnesses will also appear and will preach for 1260 days and will have the power to turn water into blood and keep it from raining.

These things have not happened yet.

This is his plan and it is all part of fulfilling things that need to happen according to Gods will, not ours. The prophecies in Revelation and Daniel will come to pkmtyolp just as they are written in the future. When they do there will be no question for anyone that God is the King of Kings. You and I know that now, but eventually the world will know it because of the judgements that are to come.

Then the Lord will return for his 1000 year reign and that will usher in his Kingdom physically.

[larrygn]

semperfi:

you ame the mistake of thinking Old Testament quotes are for today, this was information for Isreal to repeat and obtain the glory offered. Since she rejected all, Daniel is done - over, not about today. We now are the New Jeruselem with the same opportunities, and same challenges, we must bring the "Holy Light of Freedom" to all the world and the Holy Light=the Light of the World = Jesus, the Living Christ. We are in a theocracy, not a republic, a republic is a government form, we were designed and destined for this role we are about to play, we must make sure it is correct,
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry

[semperfidelis]

larrygn said:

semperfi:

you ame the mistake of thinking Old Testament quotes are for today, this was information for Isreal to repeat and obtain the glory offered. Since she rejected all, Daniel is done - over, not about today. We now are the New Jeruselem with the same opportunities, and same challenges, we must bring the "Holy Light of Freedom" to all the world and the Holy Light=the Light of the World = Jesus, the Living Christ. We are in a theocracy, not a republic, a republic is a government form, we were designed and destined for this role we are about to play, we must make sure it is correct,
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry

Larry, you are buying into a Preterist viewpoint based on time text interpretations. This has thrown your entire interpretation of future prophecy events off. Some of the Old Testament Prophecies have come to pkmtyolp, for example the three empires after Babylonia have come to pkmtyolp, but one is still future. Obviously the promised return of Christ has not happened either.

[larrygn]

I would like this question answered here also. Many people tell me that Isreal is always blessed, and I am wrong. This being the case, and the Jewish people of Isreal currently being the blessed nation, then what is the fate of those dying in Isreal of Jewish faith yesterday, knowing full well the position of Christianity?
Are they saved, or are they condemned? I would like NT references for any answers, please.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry

[parousia70]

semperfidelis said:

We are protected from Satan because of our belief in Christ but that does not mean the rest of the world is. Obviously he still has influence and there is a huge spiritual war going on between good and evil on a daily basis.

And The Bible teaches God is victorious in that fight on a daily basis!:

"Every morning I will destroy all the wicked of the Land, so as to cut off from the city of the Lord all those who do iniquity" (Ps. 101:8)

Again your position mandates that while Satan is defeated today for believers, he is not yet defeated for everyone else, but one day will be. IOW, that one day Unbelievers will share in Christ's defeat of Satan.

Does that look like a world that is being directly ruled by Christ?

Can you produce even one person or being on earth today with ruling power and authority ABOVE that which Christ PRESENTLY, DIRECTLY, posesses over the earth?

Obviously some of Gods believers are not protected against some forms of evil that go on the world.

No form of Evil has the power to seperate the Believer from Christ, thus We are PRESENTLY, FULLY and PERMANENTLY protected from all forms of Evil, FOREVER.

Thats the whole point of Christianity. Thats the end game, that's the prize at the end of the journey, and it is a fully, completely and totally realized present day reality.

That's what the messianic generation ending in AD 70 gave us.

These things have not happened yet.

Absense of Evidence is not evidence of absense.

Then the Lord will return for his 1000 year reign and that will usher in his Kingdom physically.

There you go again with the physical 1000 year reign, complete with mandatory blood animal sacrifices and physical circumscision. Sheesh! Unless you believe the prophesies in Ezekiel regarding the mode of worship in the "millennial temple" are past.........

[parousia70]

larrygn said:

what is the fate of those dying in Isreal of Jewish faith yesterday, knowing full well the position of Christianity?
Are they saved, or are they condemned? I would like NT references for any answers, please.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ,
Larry

Boy Larry, what a great question!

If a Jew in Israel today is indeed one of "Gods Chosen people" even though he is a Christ rejector, and He dies tomorrow a Christ rejector, is He automatically saved because He died one of "Gods Chosen" people?

[kingsdaughter]

parousia70 said:

And The Bible teaches God is victorious in that fight on a daily basis!:

"Every morning I will destroy all the wicked of the Land, so as to cut off from the city of the Lord all those who do iniquity" (Ps. 101:8)

Again your position mandates that while Satan is defeated today for believers, he is not yet defeated for everyone else, but one day will be. IOW, that one day Unbelievers will share in Christ's defeat of Satan.



Can you produce even one person or being on earth today with ruling power and authority ABOVE that which Christ PRESENTLY, DIRECTLY, posesses over the earth?



No form of Evil has the power to seperate the Believer from Christ, thus We are PRESENTLY, FULLY and PERMANENTLY protected from all forms of Evil, FOREVER.

Thats the whole point of Christianity. Thats the end game, that's the prize at the end of the journey, and it is a fully, completely and totally realized present day reality.

That's what the messianic generation ending in AD 70 gave us.



Absense of Evidence is not evidence of absense.



There you go again with the physical 1000 year reign, complete with mandatory blood animal sacrifices and physical circumscision. Sheesh! Unless you believe the prophesies in Ezekiel regarding the mode of worship in the "millennial temple" are past.........

Animal sacrifices were done away with, with the sacrificial lamb on the cross. Building a temple does not require a mandatory blood sacrifice, they are not mentioned anywhere in Revelation. YSIC Pam

[trentroy]

kingsdaughter said:

Animal sacrifices were done away with, with the sacrificial lamb on the cross. Building a temple does not require a mandatory blood sacrifice, they are not mentioned anywhere in Revelation. YSIC Pam

You're right, but the jews would be the ones building the temple, and obvioulsy, Revelation has nothing to do with their beliefs.

[parousia70]

kingsdaughter said:

Animal sacrifices were done away with, with the sacrificial lamb on the cross. Building a temple does not require a mandatory blood sacrifice, they are not mentioned anywhere in Revelation. YSIC Pam

Hi Pam,
Then you believe this scripture has already been fulfilled?

Zechariah 14:16-21
16 And it shall come to pkmtyolp that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day "HOLINESS TO THE LORD" shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.*

If sacrifices are done away with, why are these people "Sarcificing" in the "millennial temple"? And why is Jesus requiring that these people keep the OT feast of tabernacles?

Wasn't His sacrifice on the cross sufficiant?

[semperfidelis]

parousia70 said:

Boy Larry, what a great question!

If a Jew in Israel today is indeed one of "Gods Chosen people" even though he is a Christ rejector, and He dies tomorrow a Christ rejector, is He automatically saved because He died one of "Gods Chosen" people?

Perhaps you should approach the thrown humbly in prayer and ask God yourself, remembering that he can judge according to his will.