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Post by compguy on Mar 21, 2005 7:29:23 GMT -5
You hear about this all the time and Christians that report having these experiences always have good ones and seem to experience heaven for a short time. Non-Christians have bad experiences and most times become Christians after. What are your thoughts? Compguy
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Post by Cohdra on Mar 23, 2005 1:51:05 GMT -5
I do believe something significant is happening.
I would have to challenge you on the statement "non-Christians have bad experiences..."; I spent many years reading many NDE's, and lots of non-christians have good experiences. It isn't as cut-and-dried as what you might think, which is why many Christians reject NDE's.
God bless
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Post by Cohdra on Mar 23, 2005 2:03:52 GMT -5
I would like to add that the good / bad experiences are across the board; there are professed Christians that have had bad experiences (though uncommon).
There are many people, Christian and non-Christian alike, that experience nothing.
That's where the problem lies. Since these experiences do not always reflect Christian doctrine and are erratic, they are often rejected as fantasy or diabolical.
I personally believe that they are real, some are from God, and others, in an attempt to deceive, are from the devil.
Many people, Christian and non-Christian alike, have had "good" experiences that are heretical, and go against Christian truths. Some people have embraced these "strange" experiences, changed their spiritual beliefs, written books about their experiences, even started new religions. This is where I feel an evil influence, with the intent to deceive, plays a role.
Christians need to be very careful with this subject
God bless
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Post by LauraJean on Mar 23, 2005 8:19:39 GMT -5
MT 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
NDE's imply an indicisiveness on the part of God. We see in Scripture that nothing happens apart from God's will, and we know that God is NOT indicisive, therefore I reject the idea of NDE's, at least as being from God. I do see that they could be used by Satan to get people to question what happenes when they die, much as he uses "ghosts" and the like.
Blessings, LJ
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Post by compguy on Mar 23, 2005 19:00:16 GMT -5
MT 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
NDE's imply an indicisiveness on the part of God. We see in Scripture that nothing happens apart from God's will, and we know that God is NOT indicisive, therefore I reject the idea of NDE's, at least as being from God. I do see that they could be used by Satan to get people to question what happenes when they die, much as he uses "ghosts" and the like. Blessings, LJ Hummm that's good thinking. I never thought about it that way. But does that mean that Satan slips up sometimes and causes someone to get saved? On second thought I guess that happens all the time don't it? Ok thanks for the response. Compguy
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Post by compguy on Mar 23, 2005 19:27:16 GMT -5
I would like to add that the good / bad experiences are across the board; there are professed Christians that have had bad experiences (though uncommon). There are many people, Christian and non-Christian alike, that experience nothing. That's where the problem lies. Since these experiences do not always reflect Christian doctrine and are erratic, they are often rejected as fantasy or diabolical. I personally believe that they are real, some are from God, and others, in an attempt to deceive, are from the devil. Many people, Christian and non-Christian alike, have had "good" experiences that are heretical, and go against Christian truths. Some people have embraced these "strange" experiences, changed their spiritual beliefs, written books about their experiences, even started new religions. This is where I feel an evil influence, with the intent to deceive, plays a role. Christians need to be very careful with this subject God bless I see. Although I do feel these aren't fantasies. The odds of even two people not even know each other and living on oposite ends of the world having the same fantasy is really great. And the odds get greater and greater the more people you add. Could be just as you say. compguy
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Post by Cohdra on Mar 31, 2005 12:50:21 GMT -5
I see. Although I do feel these aren't fantasies. The odds of even two people not even know each other and living on oposite ends of the world having the same fantasy is really great. And the odds get greater and greater the more people you add. Could be just as you say. compguy For the record, just to clarify, I do believe something "real" is happening; I do not believe they are dreams, hallucinations, or fantasies. When I posted that some consider all these experiences to be either fantasy or diabolical in origin, I wasn't referring to my personal belief, just the belief of many Christians. I believe they are real; the question for me would be, are they from God or the devil; or a mixture of both. God bless God bless
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