Matt7
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 16, 2004 21:49:24 GMT -5
Well I am not going to discourage or argue with anyone here. We all have our opinions. As christians I think that we should all learn to disagree. I am not saying that I am the only one that is right. Yet I want to think that it is a pre-trib rapture. I honestly don't see how there can be no rapture, but as I said everyone has their own opinion, and we should respect that.
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Post by Jan on Feb 17, 2004 0:05:16 GMT -5
Matt, I too have read all the posts, and I still agree that His Word speaks of a Pre-Trib rapture! You are not alone in this <><
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Post by HomeAtLast on Feb 17, 2004 0:53:39 GMT -5
Well I am not going to discourage or argue with anyone here. We all have our opinions. As christians I think that we should all learn to disagree. I am not saying that I am the only one that is right. Yet I want to think that it is a pre-trib rapture. I honestly don't see how there can be no rapture, but as I said everyone has their own opinion, and we should respect that. Matt, I totally respect your opinion of the rapture even though I myself do not agree with you. My sister said that she does believe in the pre trib rapture even after I pointed out the points that I had read in the book "The Rapture Trap". She said that it did make a lot of sense but that she believed in it because she wanted so badly not to have to go through the tribulation. She admitted that it was wishful thinking. I worry that people that believe in it and see that it does not happen will fall away from God feeling abandoned by him. People have abandoned God over much less. Blessings, Ann
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 17, 2004 17:22:44 GMT -5
OK I have a question. If there isn't a rapture then will we be going through all the different judgments predicted in Revelation including the Mark of the Beast? Just curious as to what yal thought on that.
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Post by heathen76 on Feb 17, 2004 17:41:35 GMT -5
OK I have a question. If there isn't a rapture then will we be going through all the different judgments predicted in Revelation including the Mark of the Beast? Just curious as to what yal thought on that. God does not judge.
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Matt7
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 17, 2004 17:49:39 GMT -5
well what I am refering too is the plagues of revelation like the locusts and horseman and earthquakes. Will all of that go on at that time with all of us still here?
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Post by heathen76 on Feb 17, 2004 18:03:28 GMT -5
well what I am refering too is the plagues of revelation like the locusts and horseman and earthquakes. Will all of that go on at that time with all of us still here? It's not going to happen.
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Post by Beth on Feb 17, 2004 19:42:33 GMT -5
Pre Trib too! I have one question. What do you think its going to take for countries like America who loves self goverenance, to turn itself over to a one world government? It will obviously be an event so catastrophic that people will be looking for anything, or anyone to lead them. I don't think the problems in the middle east are going to be enough, but they will certainly be part of it. Also there is this to consider. 3/4 of the worlds population is going to be dead. Whats left is either going to have the mark of the beast or they are going to be fugitives. Now if the rapture happens at the end of the trib and then every one goes to heaven, who is going to be left for Christ to rule? The Bible plainly says that their will be children born during Christs 1000 year year rule, and I don't think spiritual beings are goin to be havin babies I have always joked that when the rapture happens Im gonna grab an unsaved in each hand, as as we start flyin up through the air Im going to look at them two and say " Do you get saved or do I let go?" ;D
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Post by Matt7 on Feb 17, 2004 20:45:56 GMT -5
I have always wondered the same thing. We are really set in our ways and don't like change. I think that it probably won't happen right away. There will probably be a lot of talk and how it works out. Yet, we know it will happen. Do you see any of the present stuff leading up to what could happen? I mean I guess we could use almost anything because there are a lot of signs. That population point is definately something to think about. Good point.
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Post by genesda on Feb 18, 2004 5:56:18 GMT -5
I don't believe there will be a rapture. Those of us who are around at the end of days will go through a tribulation. Survival will depend on wheather we've recieved Christ and staying conected through the Holy Spirit, as we will really need this guidence like never before! God bless, Louise Louise, you are correct!![/color]
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Post by genesda on Feb 18, 2004 5:59:00 GMT -5
Just trying to liven things up a bit. I believe in a Pre-Trib rapture myself. Based on Thessolians. Ronda Rhonda, there is nothing in Thessalonians that describes what you claim. This is telling us about the return of Jesus, not a "rapture", as the rapture stories go.[/color]
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Post by genesda on Feb 18, 2004 6:03:12 GMT -5
The Second Coming is Christ touching terra firma like He did when He first came - the Rapture of His Church is a meeting in the air <>< So then, when Jesus appears here and the saved rise to meet Him in the clouds is NOT a return, right? Maybe this coming doesn't count because it doesn't fit in with the rapture theories. Read all of Thessalonians and what the other writers say about the same event. It will become obvious that this coming will begin the 1000 years when this Earth will be baren with no one left here alive.
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Post by genesda on Feb 18, 2004 6:28:31 GMT -5
OK I have a question. If there isn't a rapture then will we be going through all the different judgments predicted in Revelation including the Mark of the Beast? Just curious as to what yal thought on that. Yes! The difference is that God's people will rely on His protection during this time, which God promises to supply just as He did for the literal Israelites and as He did for Elijah. Rev.14 explains says that the judgement of the righteous takes place BEFORE the mark of the beast becomes mandatory while the gospel is being preached and Jesus will not retuirn BEFORE He is finished with the judgement of those who claim to be Christians.
Jesus also said that His return will be while men are still conducting their daily routines of working and marrying and then sudden destruction comes.
Peter said that when Jesus returns, the everything on Earth will melt with a "fervant heat".
Paul said that the wicked will be destroyed by the "brightness of His coming" as the saved meet Him in the clouds.
There is no doubt in my mind that the events will be as following: 1. When Jesus is finished with the judgement, He will declare "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still and he which is filthy , let him be filthy still and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still and he that is holy let him be holy still. Behold I come quickly and My reward is with Me to give every man according to his work.(Rev 22:11-12] From this moment forward, NO ONE CHANGES! There will be no more repentence and no more turning from God. The fate of mankind is sealed!
2. Jesus then takes the saved to heaven for 1000 years where the Christians will examine the books to see why people who they thought should be there aren't, and why some who they thought shouldn't be there are.
I heard a preacher say there would be strange reunions in heaven and the example he gave was of Stephen. The last thing Stephen remembered was seeing Paul holding the coats of those who were stoning him. Can you imagine what Stephen will be thinking when he sees Paul in heaven?
Rev. 22:14 tells us who will enter heaven.
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Post by AuntRonda on Feb 18, 2004 20:25:37 GMT -5
Just trying to liven things up a bit. I believe in a Pre-Trib rapture myself. Based on Thessolians. Ronda Rhonda, there is nothing in Thessalonians that describes what you claim. This is telling us about the return of Jesus, not a "rapture", as the rapture stories go.[/color][/quote] I disagree with you. The verses are clear. 15 I can tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet him ahead of those who are in their graves. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. 17Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever.They are talking to the church here. This is not a message to the non-Christians. Ronda
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Post by Jan on Feb 18, 2004 20:43:38 GMT -5
Gene said Where in the Bibe does it say that this Earth is left baren with no one left here alive? <><
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