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Post by Pietro on Nov 25, 2005 14:06:01 GMT -5
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish (kataluo) the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing (katargeo) in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,
Jesus says he didn’t abolish the law and Paul says he did. But different words are used. Katargeo often translated as to ”render idle or inoperative, do away with, destroy, abolish”. Kataluo as “to dissolve, destroy, throw down”. Either way it amounts to the same idea, don’t you think?
So is Paul at odds with Jesus here?
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Post by christian on Nov 28, 2005 7:30:20 GMT -5
Pietro,
Jesus Christ's death on the cross was the fulfilment of God's laws, which He gave to His biblical people through the prophet Moses. Jesus was the only man who satisfied all the requirements of the Law, which included dealing with the sins of the people through the offering of animal sacrifices to God. In the beginning, the shedding of the blood of an innocent animal was required by God for the forgiveness of Adam and Eve's transgression, just as the shedding of the blood of His innocent Son was required by Him for the forgiveness of our sins. Jesus's crucifixion was the final sacrificial offering that did away with the need for the animal sacrifices as required by the Law of God for sin. Unlike the people of His day, we can directly ask God to forgive us our sins - through His Son who died for us on the cross. The Lord Jesus Christ is our advocate in Heaven who intercedes with the Father on our behalf, because He took upon Himself the just penalty for our sins which is death.
God Bless, Andy.
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Post by Shirley on Nov 28, 2005 17:33:11 GMT -5
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish (kataluo) the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing (katargeo) in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,Jesus says he didn’t abolish the law and Paul says he did. But different words are used. Katargeo often translated as to ”render idle or inoperative, do away with, destroy, abolish”. Kataluo as “to dissolve, destroy, throw down”. Either way it amounts to the same idea, don’t you think? So is Paul at odds with Jesus here? Jesus and Paul always seem to be at odds with each other..almost two different religions all together, unless you go through gymnastics to make it all fit together. Like divide it up into "dispensations" and "ages".
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Post by Pietro on Dec 9, 2005 9:12:49 GMT -5
I think they are talking about two different levels of the Law. Paul is correct in that Jesus did abolish the literal explicit Law written in stone and scripture which was intended to train the heart for the deeper Law without words written in the heart, a "what would Jesus do" sort of law which he fulfilled.
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