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Post by babysis on Sept 22, 2004 14:58:04 GMT -5
thanks babysis - nice to know i'm not alone in at least some of my thoughts When you speak the Truth, someone else is usually in agreement! ;D
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Post by babysis on Sept 22, 2004 15:06:47 GMT -5
babysis, People can volunteer to receive the Mark or something like it at this present time, but the time will come when people will have the choice of receiving the Mark or having their heads chopped off. The Mark may have different kinds of information stored on it, including medical records and pkmtyolpport I.D. as well as financial records which will help with buying the groceries. Bank robberies and fraud will become a thing of the past and the problem of illegal immigration will disappear overnight. This could also very possibly help in the war against terrorism. These are valid reasons for unbelievers to receive the Mark of the Beast, and, of course, the threat of death. Christian. No Andy, people can not currently volunteer to take the mark. There are certain events that must take place BEFORE the mark is ever brought forward. The mark may very well be something similar to the verichip, but it is not the verichip. The people who currently have the verichip do not have the mark and if they are alive when the mark comes about, having that verichip means nothing. Let's look at the scripture that talks about the mark. Revelation 13:16-18 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.First we see that there will be a "he" a PERSON who will FORCE people to take the mark. Of course their will be a choice, but to most people "do this or die" while it's a choice is still seen as being forced. There is no "he" giving out the Verichip. And the name or the number of the beast will be the mark (so obviously it has to be something we can see. The Verichip does not have the name or the number of the beast shown on the person after they receive the mark. Please look into the scripture about these things. I just did a simple look in the concordance of my bible. There were only three entries for "mark" so there wasn't much to look for. And I knew I wanted to find things in Revelation, so that narrowed it down to one entry. While I think it is wonderful that you are looking out for and being cautious of the mark, please do not jump to conclusions about it. Be watchful, but make sure what you think is the mark matches up with scripture.
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Post by marysia on Sept 22, 2004 16:04:18 GMT -5
hand or forehead... the one's verichip are giving are in the upper arm only.
babysis - thank you for your support and insight. it's always a pleasure to read your thoughts - especially when we agree and yes, even when we don't ;D
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Post by babysis on Sept 22, 2004 16:19:12 GMT -5
hand or forehead... the one's verichip are giving are in the upper arm only. babysis - thank you for your support and insight. it's always a pleasure to read your thoughts - especially when we agree and yes, even when we don't ;D I was wondering where they were putting the verichip. I really don't know a whole lot about it, I just know it's not the mark. Thanks for letting me know that. And it is a pleasure to read your thoughts as well. And yes it's especially nice when we agree, but still nice when we don't! ;D
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 23, 2004 6:33:27 GMT -5
or, instead of wasting percious time in a search engine, you can click on the links provided in the post second above this one. so andy - is this company the anti-christ? Marysia, The company could very well end up being instrumental to the anti-Christ's agenda....... Christian.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 23, 2004 6:36:28 GMT -5
Oh, NO!! My dog has the chip! Is she going to hell? LJ No. That chip is not the same as the one that people are receiving. A friend of mine had her dog "chipped" as well....... Christian.
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Post by marysia on Sept 23, 2004 7:11:46 GMT -5
No. That chip is not the same as the one that people are receiving. A friend of mine had her dog "chipped" as well....... Christian. actually from what i gathered when i did go and look at their website - it's pretty much the same type of chip. there are alterations for human versus pet and the information is different but - samecomapny, same concept. have you even bothered to read why people are getting "chipped" same as the dog - should something happen they have access to their medical information. if i was diagonesed with alzheimers, let me tell ya - i'd probably get chipped by this comapny.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 23, 2004 7:30:17 GMT -5
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 23, 2004 8:20:16 GMT -5
actually from what i gathered when i did go and look at their website - it's pretty much the same type of chip. there are alterations for human versus pet and the information is different but - samecomapny, same concept. have you even bothered to read why people are getting "chipped" same as the dog - should something happen they have access to their medical information. if i was diagonesed with alzheimers, let me tell ya - i'd probably get chipped by this comapny. Marysia, I think it's wise to avoid any kind of implantable chip for humans. In Britain, they have already begun to promote them on billboards. A friend of mine saw one. It featured a man with the number "666" on his forehead. By the very next day it had disappeared. The conditioning of humans to accept the "Mark of the Beast" has started..... Christian.
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Post by marysia on Sept 23, 2004 10:13:07 GMT -5
Marysia, I think it's wise to avoid any kind of implantable chip for humans. In Britain, they have already begun to promote them on billboards. A friend of mine saw one. It featured a man with the number "666" on his forehead. By the very next day it had disappeared. The conditioning of humans to accept the "Mark of the Beast" has started..... Christian. Andy, without any type of proof to back up your statement - other than he said, she said, i am not inclined to believe your friends. remember the game grapevine (or am i dating myself) stories often get changed around based upon others perceptions. i'm reminded of a former poster here who would always ask me for my "back up" (generally schripture verses). andy, if you have proof, of this allegation fine, otherwise you are going against so much biblical teaching - speaking with mallice. Unfounded speach goes against the nature of the Word. You can look in 1 Peter, Ephesians, Romans, so many places in God's Word. You just seem so quick to accept words of others in regards to things against God. I would be cautious in placing faith in friends as a basis for judging others. Place fully your faith in God and look for His good. God bless, marysia
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 23, 2004 10:55:41 GMT -5
Andy, without any type of proof to back up your statement - other than he said, she said, i am not inclined to believe your friends. remember the game grapevine (or am i dating myself) stories often get changed around based upon others perceptions. i'm reminded of a former poster here who would always ask me for my "back up" (generally schripture verses). andy, if you have proof, of this allegation fine, otherwise you are going against so much biblical teaching - speaking with mallice. Unfounded speach goes against the nature of the Word. You can look in 1 Peter, Ephesians, Romans, so many places in God's Word. You just seem so quick to accept words of others in regards to things against God. I would be cautious in placing faith in friends as a basis for judging others. Place fully your faith in God and look for His good. God bless, marysia
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 23, 2004 11:05:52 GMT -5
Marysia,
Your last post to me made no sense at all! Can I prove what my friend said about the billboard poster? No, because it was taken down and she told me about it afterward. Do I believe her? Yes, because she is madly in love with Jesus. I have not known her to lie once about anything.
Now I have a question for you: Do you deny that the technology for the "Mark of the Beast" now exists?
Christian.
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Post by marysia on Sept 23, 2004 11:34:32 GMT -5
actual technology has been in place as long as there has been the ability to brand and tatoo on my opinion. however, i do not believe that the taking of the mark will come until the anti-christ has made his appearance. there is nothing in the bible that it is to be a microchip - only that the mark will be visable. visable to me means - seen with the naked eye.
although times are very "interesting" today, to say the least, although i do not personally subscribe to the rapture theory in full, i do believe that revelations makes various events highly possible. there are, however, numerous predictions of what will come prior to the taking of the mark and those (thank God) have yet to happen.
i'm sorry my post didn't make sense. there are things that i believe that i've never seen - air. i know it's there because i see the damage too much causes and that it's what keeps me alive. Jesus Christ - i believe He walked this earth and died for me. however someone telling me something that is against another person, group of people or generation, i do not take under assumption. in the bible we are told not to speak out in mallice against one another. we are told to becareful in speaking lest we not be judgemental. i am not always good at that but i try very hard. you seem to post things based on hearsay - vatican black pkmtyolmes, the mark of the beast information, various things that i've now just shied out of my memory. without having credible resources or proof, evidence is not valid. you have a predisposition to want to negate anything that is remotely "Rcc". that, to me, is a bias and therefore, various things can be molded to fit your own views.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 24, 2004 7:54:34 GMT -5
actual technology has been in place as long as there has been the ability to brand and tatoo on my opinion. however, i do not believe that the taking of the mark will come until the anti-christ has made his appearance. there is nothing in the bible that it is to be a microchip - only that the mark will be visable. visable to me means - seen with the naked eye. I have no doubt that the "Mark of the Beast" will be an implantable chip.although times are very "interesting" today, to say the least, although i do not personally subscribe to the rapture theory in full, i do believe that revelations makes various events highly possible. there are, however, numerous predictions of what will come prior to the taking of the mark and those (thank God) have yet to happen. Ask God to open your eyes about the Rapture and the "Mark of the Beast".i'm sorry my post didn't make sense. there are things that i believe that i've never seen - air. i know it's there because i see the damage too much causes and that it's what keeps me alive. Jesus Christ - i believe He walked this earth and died for me. Good. however someone telling me something that is against another person, group of people or generation, i do not take under assumption. in the bible we are told not to speak out in mallice against one another. I agree with both of these points. we are told to becareful in speaking lest we not be judgemental. i am not always good at that but i try very hard. you seem to post things based on hearsay - vatican black pkmtyolmes, the mark of the beast information, various things that i've now just shied out of my memory. without having credible resources or proof, evidence is not valid. And when the "hearsay" happens to be what God has revealed to fellow Christians, we ignore that too? you have a predisposition to want to negate anything that is remotely "Rcc". that, to me, is a bias and therefore, various things can be molded to fit your own views. We finished discussing the RCC problem a long time ago. Why do you want to discuss it further?
Christian.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Sept 24, 2004 8:19:32 GMT -5
No Andy, people can not currently volunteer to take the mark. There are certain events that must take place BEFORE the mark is ever brought forward. The mark may very well be something similar to the verichip, but it is not the verichip. The people who currently have the verichip do not have the mark and if they are alive when the mark comes about, having that verichip means nothing. Let's look at the scripture that talks about the mark. Revelation 13:16-18 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.First we see that there will be a "he" a PERSON who will FORCE people to take the mark. Of course their will be a choice, but to most people "do this or die" while it's a choice is still seen as being forced. There is no "he" giving out the Verichip. And the name or the number of the beast will be the mark (so obviously it has to be something we can see. The Verichip does not have the name or the number of the beast shown on the person after they receive the mark. Please look into the scripture about these things. I just did a simple look in the concordance of my bible. There were only three entries for "mark" so there wasn't much to look for. And I knew I wanted to find things in Revelation, so that narrowed it down to one entry. While I think it is wonderful that you are looking out for and being cautious of the mark, please do not jump to conclusions about it. Be watchful, but make sure what you think is the mark matches up with scripture. babysis, The pkmtyolpage from Revelation is to do with those people who haven't already received the "Mark of the Beast" voluntarily and who don't make Jesus Christ lord of their lives. To them the Mark is essential if they want to stay alive - in more than one sense. Without it, they won't be able to buy food, clothes, pay for the electicity, gas and petrol that they use, and pay the mortgage - otherwise they have nowhere to live. No Mark, no life. Christian.
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