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Post by HomeAtLast on Jun 25, 2004 0:44:17 GMT -5
I know that I have not been around for a while, but I am completely baffled by what is going on with this topic, all over the place. I keep seeing headlines in papers that say the 9-11 commission found no ties between Al-Queda and Saddam Hussain's Iraq, yet when I read the article it quotes the members of the commission saying they agree with the White House that there there were ties....I see Al Gore bashing Bush as a liar and totally misquoting the commission members. What is up with the Democratic party (of which I am a registered democrat)...seriously considering conversion to Republican as I am quite embarpkmtyolred of the actions of the democratic party. They seem to be willing to say anything to win and appear to me to be quite desperate and grasping at straws. Heck, Kerry expects the government process to come to a halt and adhere to his schedule. He can not even show up to do the job he was elected to do, yet he has the nerve to say that the Republicans (who did show up to work) do not respect the institution of democracy and its process!!!! This from a man that has only voted...what is it 17 times out of 141. What a cooncidence that he showed up on picture day!!! What a guy!!!!!!!!!!
Blessings to all, Ann
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Post by genesda on Jun 25, 2004 9:05:22 GMT -5
I know that I have not been around for a while, but I am completely baffled by what is going on with this topic, all over the place. I keep seeing headlines in papers that say the 9-11 commission found no ties between Al-Queda and Saddam Hussain's Iraq, yet when I read the article it quotes the members of the commission saying they agree with the White House that there there were ties....I see Al Gore bashing Bush as a liar and totally misquoting the commission members. What is up with the Democratic party (of which I am a registered democrat)...seriously considering conversion to Republican as I am quite embarpkmtyolred of the actions of the democratic party. They seem to be willing to say anything to win and appear to me to be quite desperate and grasping at straws. Heck, Kerry expects the government process to come to a halt and adhere to his schedule. He can not even show up to do the job he was elected to do, yet he has the nerve to say that the Republicans (who did show up to work) do not respect the institution of democracy and its process!!!! This from a man that has only voted...what is it 17 times out of 141. What a cooncidence that he showed up on picture day!!! What a guy!!!!!!!!!! Blessings to all, Ann Hi Ann, I've missed you. I left the Democratic party a long time ago for the very reasons you cite. This is not the first time they've stooped to the lows they now hold. The Democratic party is now the party of "victims" and every situation seems to be called a "crisis", except the war on terror. The democratic party of today is not what it was under Kennedy, Jack, that is. Algore is a disgrace. Ted is also a disgrace. I don't see how he keeps getting elected. [/color]
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Post by genesda on Jun 25, 2004 9:12:24 GMT -5
First what leg are you talking about...you keep throwing it out without saying a thing further about what the heck you are talking about...you obviously want us to ask...so spill it. Let me know what you are talking about.... There's nothing to spill, and as far as I know, the leg has not been identified with any of the people killed at the OKC bombing. [/color] Second our terrorism that I am talking about is Afghanistan and Iraq, not Waco or Ruby Ridge (in reference to what I mentioned above). It's hard to be civil towards you when you make assinine statements like the one above. [/color] No one cared to hear about John Doe #2 back when we wanted the "truth" about OKC. Just quick, KILL tim mcveigh. When you say " no one" are you referring to the Clinton run CIA and FBI? You still don't get it. War has been declared on us and you call it "terrorism" by US! [/color] NOW that it supports our illegal war, quick SPILL the connections, the half lies and half truths. Mcveighs dead, not like he can dispute or validate it. Nice how that works...then we go back and say "really, he was working for Iraq"...blan blah blah, because it supports what WE WANT the public to believe. Politics is sick. No one wants truth...only convenience and marketing propaganda. You prove your own points. War is terror, but the US is not made of of terrorists. We responded to an attack. There were many attacks while Clinton was president, and there was really no response except for a cruise missle here or there so he could claim he was fighting terror. [/color]
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Post by genesda on Jun 25, 2004 9:15:01 GMT -5
Onion, Yes that is from worldnetdaily, but it is true that there was a "John Doe #2" and that the man was of Arabic descent. However, being Arabic doesn't make one an Iraqi, nor does it make one under Saddam's control and/or regime. AND, isn't it convenient that no one wants to acknowledge the fact that there was MORE to OKC until it suits their needs to do so? This info was readily available as early as April 19, 1995 - the day of the bombing - and yet was supressed by officials. Many testified that they saw this other man, but officials actually threatened people and/or talked them OUT of speaking about the John Doe. Back then, we weren't looking to go to war, I suppose... Doesn't it seem odd to kill a man claiming he is the one responsible, (Tim McVeigh) and yet here we are a few years later trying to pin it on Saddam? Shouldn't we have gotten all the facts before executing McVeigh, then? Or else, leave Saddam out of it? Or even better...what I REALLY love: While Saddam is responsible for anybody in his country and/or of arabic descent...George Bush Jr. isn't even responsible for validating the "intelligence" info he utilizes in his daily work and/or commands! It is a "valid" excuse for Bush (and administration) to claim that the "error" is someone else's fault (i.e. CIA, FBI, Military personnel, soldiers, other country, terrorist.... ), but then we PIN everything that even occurs near the land of Iraq, or the person may have visited Iraq once years ago, or they LOOK like an Iraqi....that is ALL Saddam's responsibility and fault! You are really out of it. It's sad to see someone twist the facts as badly as you do. [/color]
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Post by genesda on Jun 25, 2004 9:17:01 GMT -5
First what leg are you talking about...you keep throwing it out without saying a thing further about what the heck you are talking about...you obviously want us to ask...so spill it. Let me know what you are talking about.... Second our terrorism that I am talking about is Afghanistan and Iraq, not Waco or Ruby Ridge (in reference to what I mentioned above). No one cared to hear about John Doe #2 back when we wanted the "truth" about OKC. Just quick, KILL tim mcveigh. NOW that it supports our illegal war, quick SPILL the connections, the half lies and half truths. Mcveighs dead, not like he can dispute or validate it. Nice how that works...then we go back and say "really, he was working for Iraq"...blan blah blah, because it supports what WE WANT the public to believe. Politics is sick. No one wants truth...only convenience and marketing propaganda. [/color]McVeigh had plenty of time to say whatever he wished to say. No one was "quick" to kill McVeigh, that's only in your mind.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Jun 25, 2004 11:31:47 GMT -5
I know that I have not been around for a while, but I am completely baffled by what is going on with this topic, all over the place. I keep seeing headlines in papers that say the 9-11 commission found no ties between Al-Queda and Saddam Hussain's Iraq, yet when I read the article it quotes the members of the commission saying they agree with the White House that there there were ties....I see Al Gore bashing Bush as a liar and totally misquoting the commission members. What is up with the Democratic party (of which I am a registered democrat)...seriously considering conversion to Republican as I am quite embarpkmtyolred of the actions of the democratic party. They seem to be willing to say anything to win and appear to me to be quite desperate and grasping at straws. Heck, Kerry expects the government process to come to a halt and adhere to his schedule. He can not even show up to do the job he was elected to do, yet he has the nerve to say that the Republicans (who did show up to work) do not respect the institution of democracy and its process!!!! This from a man that has only voted...what is it 17 times out of 141. What a cooncidence that he showed up on picture day!!! What a guy!!!!!!!!!! Blessings to all, Ann Hi Ann, I've missed you. I left the Democratic party a long time ago for the very reasons you cite. This is not the first time they've stooped to the lows they now hold. The Democratic party is now the party of "victims" and every situation seems to be called a "crisis", except the war on terror. The democratic party of today is not what it was under Kennedy, Jack, that is. Algore is a disgrace. Ted is also a disgrace. I don't see how he keeps getting elected. [/color][/quote] gene, Awww, thanx. I have missed everyone on here. Work is just so busy and that 1-year-old grandson keeps me on my toes! I still think of you all on here often and pray that God's blessings are with you all. In my opinion, Ted is still there because of his last name. As for Gore, I think that he thinks more of himself than others do. To blatantly misquote the commission and actually believe that no one would notice that he did just proves to me that it was God's will that he not get into the Presidency. Blessings to all, Ann
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Post by mook2357 on Jun 25, 2004 11:43:57 GMT -5
What leg are you talking about Gene....you say something about a leg, I ask you to explain...I haven't seen anything about a leg, but then again, I don't even know what leg you are talking about...
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Post by LauraJean on Jun 25, 2004 18:08:31 GMT -5
I have missed everyone on here. Work is just so busy and that 1-year-old grandson keeps me on my toes! Ann... GRANDSON?! Wow! You have a really young-at-heart outlook on life!! I thought you were in your 20's. Way to go, girl!! Blessings, LJ
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Post by HomeAtLast on Jun 26, 2004 21:54:08 GMT -5
Ann... GRANDSON?! Wow! You have a really young-at-heart outlook on life!! I thought you were in your 20's. Way to go, girl!! Blessings, LJ LJ: Awww...thanx....Hey you really are as young as you feel!! God has definitely blessed me!!! Blessings, Ann
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Post by stevec on Jun 27, 2004 10:51:08 GMT -5
9/11 probe finds no Baghdad ties <smirk> You probably believe the Warren Commission too! <snort> "Magic Bullet" my foot!
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Post by MorningStar on Jun 27, 2004 15:57:33 GMT -5
Reagan’s WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob G. Hornberger, June 18, 2004 Given all the indignant neoconservative “outrage” over the financial misdeeds arising from the UN’s socialist oil-for-food program during the 1990s, when the UN embargo was killing untold numbers of Iraqi children, one would think that there would be an equal amount of outrage over a much more disgraceful scandal — the U.S. delivery of weapons of pkmtyolm destruction to Saddam Hussein during the Reagan administration in the 1980s. www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp
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Post by atomheart on Jun 27, 2004 16:15:38 GMT -5
Reagan’s WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob G. Hornberger, June 18, 2004 Given all the indignant neoconservative “outrage” over the financial misdeeds arising from the UN’s socialist oil-for-food program during the 1990s, when the UN embargo was killing untold numbers of Iraqi children, one would think that there would be an equal amount of outrage over a much more disgraceful scandal — the U.S. delivery of weapons of pkmtyolm destruction to Saddam Hussein during the Reagan administration in the 1980s. www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp Where Iraq Purchased Weapons 1973-2002 The purpose of this post is to address one of the many mythical claims about the United States popularized by some Leftists who would have us believe that the United States is the cause of most of what is wrong with the world. The myth under examination here is the claim that the United States played an important role in arming Saddam Hussein. The data comes from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute in the form of a table of the value of arms imported by Iraq from 1973 through 2002. (PDF format) Figures are trend-indicator values expressed in US $m. at constant (1990) prices. Note: The SIPRI data on arms transfers refer to actual deliveries of major conventional weapons. To permit comparison between the data on such deliveries of different weapons and identification of general trends, SIPRI uses a trend-indicator value. The SIPRI values are therefore only an indicator of the volume of international arms transfers and not of the actual financial values of such transfers. Thus they are not comparable to economic statistics such as gross domestic product or export/import figures. ... Imported weapons to Iraq (IRQ) in 1973-2002 Country $MM USD 1990 % Total USSR 25145 57.26 France 5595 12.74 China 5192 11.82 Czechoslovakia 2880 6.56 Poland 1681 3.83 Brazil 724 1.65 Egypt 568 1.29 Romania 524 1.19 Denmark 226 0.51 Libya 200 0.46 USA 200 0.46 South Africa 192 0.44 Austria 190 0.43 Switzerland 151 0.34 Yugoslavia 107 0.24 Germany (FRG) 84 0.19 Italy 84 0.19 UK 79 0.18 Hungary 30 0.07 Spain 29 0.07 East Germany (GDR) 25 0.06 Canada 7 0.02 Jordan 2 0.005 Total 43915 100.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The SIPRI isn't exactly a right-wing, American friendly source either. The truth is that we mostly gave Saddam intelligence during the Iran/Iraq war. Because, at the time, we saw Hussein as the lesser of the two evils. Just like we saw Stalin and the Soviet Union the lesser of the two evils during WWII. Also, note that Russia and France were Saddam's largest supplier. Hmm, maybe that's why both countries were SO against any military action against Saddam.
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Post by mook2357 on Jun 27, 2004 18:06:45 GMT -5
atomheart, unless I am misunderstanding the numbers and the info given on what those numbers represent, this is just saying that Russia made MORE transfers, not MORE weapons. So we were more efficient in arming them...it doesn't say that we didn't give them MORE arms, and the disclaimer you posted actually states that. This info WOULD be handy side by side with ACTUAL numbers of types of arms from which countries, and dollar amounts of those arms... But as stand alone, it doesn't really say anything about anyone...
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Post by genesda on Jul 19, 2004 11:33:08 GMT -5
What leg are you talking about Gene....you say something about a leg, I ask you to explain...I haven't seen anything about a leg, but then again, I don't even know what leg you are talking about... There were reports of a leg wearing fatigues that was found at the bomb site in OKC. That's all I've heard. It wasn't identified as belonging to any of the blast victims and remains unidentified. Sorry, but that's all I know about this. [/color]
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