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Post by atomheart on May 17, 2004 8:56:37 GMT -5
Bush Didn't Kill Nick Michael Smerconish Philadelphia Inquirer 5.17.04 THIS ISN'T going to be easy. But some things need to be said to Michael Berg even as he grieves the loss of his son. It would have been more appropriate to let the dust settle before this discourse began, but that is no longer an option where he has turned this tragedy into a morbid blame game. First and foremost, civilized people everywhere mourn for your family. Nick Berg was, by all accounts, a fine son - smart, ambitious and with an independent spirit for life. Twenty-six is way too young to die. No father should have to endure what you must be going through. But... George Bush did not kill your son. Nor did Donald Rumsfeld. And, quite frankly, you are the one politicizing his death when you introduce their names into the same breath as his obituary. Furthermore, it's just not accurate for you to say "Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld." Your son died due to the sins of unholy people acting through some misguided and irrational vision of their faith. And, frankly, you give your son's murderers the credibility they so desperately lack when you say otherwise. Here is the bottom line, sir. Your son's death was far more complicated than a simple case of an unwarranted detainment. The Iraqi police and/or FBI would have been derelict in their duty if they did not take a long, hard look at an American voluntarily in a strange and unsafe part of the world, who had some connection - however bizarre and apparently unintentional - to a 9/11 suspect and, dare I say, particularly where that man's father has a documented record of opposition to what we are doing in Iraq. <full story> www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/8684644.htm?ERIGHTS=469333501920839416philly::lucianneg@aol.com&KRD_RM=7onnuouunusvptvwpwnnnnnnnn|Lucy+James|Y---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it's sad and deplorable that Nick's father, Michael, would use his son's death as an opprotunity to bash the President and his administration. I at first gave him a pkmtyolp with his comments thinking that a parent who just lost his child might not mean what he says but when it was known to me that Michael Berg is a memeber of international ANSWER, a far-left, anti-war, Bush-hating organisation, then it all made sense. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on May 18, 2004 1:27:33 GMT -5
Atom,
I agree. I mourn for this young man with his family, as all americans do. Yet, I have yet to hear that the man yielding the knife is responsible for this young man's gruesome death. The murders themselves blame it on the actions in the prison (which are deplorable) yet Nick Berg was taken hostage before the actions at the prison became public. I have yet to hear on any news report that Nick Berg was a practicing Jew in a country that abhors Jews. That is why he was killed with the murders knowing that the whole Arab world would applaud their actions because he was a Jew. This young mas was a political pawn just as Daniel Pearl was.
Blessings,
Ann
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Post by genesda on May 18, 2004 7:07:18 GMT -5
Bush Didn't Kill Nick Michael Smerconish Philadelphia Inquirer 5.17.04 THIS ISN'T going to be easy. But some things need to be said to Michael Berg even as he grieves the loss of his son. It would have been more appropriate to let the dust settle before this discourse began, but that is no longer an option where he has turned this tragedy into a morbid blame game. First and foremost, civilized people everywhere mourn for your family. Nick Berg was, by all accounts, a fine son - smart, ambitious and with an independent spirit for life. Twenty-six is way too young to die. No father should have to endure what you must be going through. But... George Bush did not kill your son. Nor did Donald Rumsfeld. And, quite frankly, you are the one politicizing his death when you introduce their names into the same breath as his obituary. Furthermore, it's just not accurate for you to say "Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld." Your son died due to the sins of unholy people acting through some misguided and irrational vision of their faith. And, frankly, you give your son's murderers the credibility they so desperately lack when you say otherwise. Here is the bottom line, sir. Your son's death was far more complicated than a simple case of an unwarranted detainment. The Iraqi police and/or FBI would have been derelict in their duty if they did not take a long, hard look at an American voluntarily in a strange and unsafe part of the world, who had some connection - however bizarre and apparently unintentional - to a 9/11 suspect and, dare I say, particularly where that man's father has a documented record of opposition to what we are doing in Iraq. <full story> www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/8684644.htm?ERIGHTS=469333501920839416philly::lucianneg@aol.com&KRD_RM=7onnuouunusvptvwpwnnnnnnnn|Lucy+James|Y---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it's sad and deplorable that Nick's father, Michael, would use his son's death as an opprotunity to bash the President and his administration. I at first gave him a pkmtyolp with his comments thinking that a parent who just lost his child might not mean what he says but when it was known to me that Michael Berg is a memeber of international ANSWER, a far-left, anti-war, Bush-hating organisation, then it all made sense. I also agree with your post which is well written. I don't think I could have watched the video or listened to the audio tape that has been played and I can only imagine what I would be going through if that had been my son.
As far as M. Berg and the blame game he is playing, maybe it was his politics that contributed to his son's death more than anything else. A distorted view of who these terrorists are and what they're capable of is what many liberals accept as truth.
The trurh is that these terrorists are animals and the only way to deal with them is to kill them. Being nice to them only brings contempt from them as Nicdk Berg found out.
By the way, it seems as though he was offered safe pkmtyolpage out of Iraq and he refused.
What could ever had been on his mind that made him feel safe there? I'm sure the dangers were explained to him if he wasn't aware of them before he went there to begin with.
I'm sorry for M. Berg's loss, but maybe it was his liberal indoctrination of his son that was responsible for his demise more than anything else. [/color] |
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Post by marysia on May 18, 2004 9:12:58 GMT -5
mr berg's anger and pain is understandable to some extent. i thank the good Lord, i will never fully understand. there are more stories coming to light about the governments having tried to get young mr berg to leave iraq. if he was a civilian, it was his unfortunate choice to have gone there - no matter how good his intentions were in helping the citizens of iraq.
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Post by MorningStar on May 18, 2004 14:04:22 GMT -5
Has anyone seen this? Yeah, its from a conspiracy site, but it was at least worth a post. I still don't see it though. Note: It may cause some of you to be uneasy given it shows part of the execution www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2004/180504militarycap.htmBerg Video: "Someone with U.S. military cap seen in frame" INN World Report | May 18 2004 The controversial website " La Voz de Aztlan" did probably find yet another "smoking gun" in the final frames of the Berg Video: "At frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video." |
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Post by HomeAtLast on May 18, 2004 14:23:47 GMT -5
Has anyone seen this? Yeah, its from a conspiracy site, but it was at least worth a post. I still don't see it though. Note: It may cause some of you to be uneasy given it shows part of the execution www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2004/180504militarycap.htmBerg Video: "Someone with U.S. military cap seen in frame" INN World Report | May 18 2004 The controversial website " La Voz de Aztlan" did probably find yet another "smoking gun" in the final frames of the Berg Video: "At frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video." MS, Oh My how conspiracy theories abound!! The ones that I have heard lately are just unbelievable and this one is included, by me. To believe such a theory you would have to believe that there are no green caps sold in Iraq. You would also have to believe that of the soldiers that have been taken hostage and killed, none of them lost their caps or that the film could not have been tampered with in any way. This is the type of fiction that causes mistrust and mistreatment of our armed forces when they return home. How very very sad. Blessings, Ann |
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Post by marysia on May 18, 2004 14:54:20 GMT -5
there was also film footage of iraqi soldiers captured with a boatload of our military uniforms!
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Post by MorningStar on May 19, 2004 10:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by genesda on Jun 3, 2004 6:40:53 GMT -5
mr berg's anger and pain is understandable to some extent. i thank the good Lord, i will never fully understand. there are more stories coming to light about the governments having tried to get young mr berg to leave iraq. if he was a civilian, it was his unfortunate choice to have gone there - no matter how good his intentions were in helping the citizens of iraq. Maybe if he had understood the realities of what was going on, he would have stayed home, but he didn't. His liberal bent prevented him from seeing the world as it is instead of how he thought it should be.
At first I was very sorry for M. Berg's loss, but after hearing that fool blame President Bush for his son's death and the length he went to to blame Bush, I no longer feel he should be left alone in his grief.
He is a leftist who connects himself to radical organizations that are anti-Bush, therefore he can now suffer the pain of his loss and realize that if he had raised his son with different political beliefs, his son might still be with him instead of trying to "make a difference" where he didn't belong.
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Post by HomeAtLast on Jun 3, 2004 13:29:37 GMT -5
mr berg's anger and pain is understandable to some extent. i thank the good Lord, i will never fully understand. there are more stories coming to light about the governments having tried to get young mr berg to leave iraq. if he was a civilian, it was his unfortunate choice to have gone there - no matter how good his intentions were in helping the citizens of iraq. Maybe if he had understood the realities of what was going on, he would have stayed home, but he didn't. His liberal bent prevented him from seeing the world as it is instead of how he thought it should be.
At first I was very sorry for M. Berg's loss, but after hearing that fool blame President Bush for his son's death and the length he went to to blame Bush, I no longer feel he should be left alone in his grief.
He is a leftist who connects himself to radical organizations that are anti-Bush, therefore he can now suffer the pain of his loss and realize that if he had raised his son with different political beliefs, his son might still be with him instead of trying to "make a difference" where he didn't belong.
[/color][/quote] gene, I hope that I or anyone on here never has to experience the loss of a child. That is a pain that I can only imagine and hope to only imagine. No matter how the man lost his son we all need to have compkmtyolpion for the feelings and pain he must be having and not blame him for trying to raise his son in a way he thought was right. He did not kill his own son, he raised him to be a caring person, that is why Nick Berg tried to help people in need many times. Though I do not agree with his politics I do not wish ill upon him, especially not the death of anyone. Blessings, Ann |
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Post by Onion on Jun 3, 2004 17:20:30 GMT -5
gene, I hope that I or anyone on here never has to experience the loss of a child. That is a pain that I can only imagine and hope to only imagine. No matter how the man lost his son we all need to have compkmtyolpion for the feelings and pain he must be having and not blame him for trying to raise his son in a way he thought was right. He did not kill his own son, he raised him to be a caring person, that is why Nick Berg tried to help people in need many times. Though I do not agree with his politics I do not wish ill upon him, especially not the death of anyone. Blessings, Ann
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Post by genesda on Jun 4, 2004 6:16:09 GMT -5
gene, I hope that I or anyone on here never has to experience the loss of a child. That is a pain that I can only imagine and hope to only imagine. No matter how the man lost his son we all need to have compkmtyolpion for the feelings and pain he must be having and not blame him for trying to raise his son in a way he thought was right. He did not kill his own son, he raised him to be a caring person, that is why Nick Berg tried to help people in need many times. Though I do not agree with his politics I do not wish ill upon him, especially not the death of anyone. Blessings, Ann I don't wish ill on him either and I did feel compkmtyolpion and sorrow for M. Berg until he started glorifying the murderers of his son and blamed Bush for his death. He had words of "understanding" for the terrorists, but hatred for Bush. He brought politics into his son's death.
That kind of hatred for a man who had nothing to do with the death of his son deserves no compkmtyolpion from me. You are free to feel any way you wish but I stand by what I said.
I'm glad "ignore" works. I don't have to see what fools write here.
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