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Post by christian on Mar 29, 2005 11:37:02 GMT -5
And those responsible for starving her to death will have God to answer to.
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Post by heathen76 on Mar 29, 2005 11:42:04 GMT -5
And those responsible for starving her to death will have God to answer to. Then I guess it's fortunate that your version of God only exists for you. Nobody ever "answers" for anything to God.
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Post by christian on Mar 29, 2005 12:02:03 GMT -5
Then I guess it's fortunate that your version of God only exists for you. Nobody ever "answers" for anything to God. The words of a man who stands condemned by his own arrogant rebellion towards God. You will answer to Him for everything you've ever thought, said and done in this life. The same goes for all of us. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, and you haven't got long to get right with Him..... Andy.
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Post by marysia on Mar 29, 2005 13:15:05 GMT -5
I guess i replied on the wrong thread - forgive me for repeating myself but here goes....
unfortunately i have to stand that this case is similar to an assisted suicide. had terri not been put on the life support from the start, it would be more reasonable. both of my grandparents, aunt and great uncle were allowed to die "of their own accord". some were put for a short period on life support - just in case, others were not. my grandma died in her sleep in our living room. her last real meal was 12.24 - she shared a teeny bit of our Wegelia supper adn we all went up and broke the oplatek (flat wafer like unleavened bread). she dinally pkmtyolped on 1.20. we kept her as confortable as possible and would moisten her lips with a sponge on this stick - looked like a lolipop. she died with dignity, grace and a prayer on her lips. the ast cohearant thing from her lips was a line from a prayer. did we kill her?
this is truly a double edged question. i firmly believe that if anything comes out of poor Terri's struggles it's that everyone needs to have a living will and open and frank discussions with the families. some thing it's morbid - discussing death - it's not, it's a fact of life.
i can understand Terri's parents not wanting to give up hope and fighting so as not to be the ones to allow their child to die - however i have to question - do they not believe that, through her pkmtyolping she will finally have peace and rest in Christ?
PS -- BTW - i don't trust the husband as far as i can throw him.
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Post by heathen76 on Mar 29, 2005 13:57:42 GMT -5
The words of a man who stands condemned by his own arrogant rebellion towards God. You will answer to Him for everything you've ever thought, said and done in this life. The same goes for all of us. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, and you haven't got long to get right with Him..... Andy. Yada yada yada. That dead horse has been tenderized.
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Post by christian on Mar 30, 2005 7:44:03 GMT -5
Yada yada yada. That dead horse has been tenderized. You mean Yoda, Yoda, Yoda, where you're concerned. But seriously my warning to you is real, and no "dead horse". I hope, for your sake, that you start taking the God of the Holy Bible seriously because you haven't got long left to get saved. The Lord Jesus Christ said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light. No one can come to the Father (God) except through Me". Andy.
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Post by LauraJean on Mar 30, 2005 11:43:18 GMT -5
PS -- BTW - i don't trust the husband as far as i can throw him. I guess that's the point, isn't it? Every legal decision thus far is based on his testimony that Terri said she didn't want to be kept alive, and I, like you, don't trust him a bit. I think he's lying, especially in light of the fact that he admitted --often!-- that he had no idea what she wanted. In another thread, I said I don't consider water and food to be life support. As far as assisted suicide, doesn't that imply that the ailing person wants to die? Can we say for certain what Terri wanted? I don't think Michael is being truthful, so I think the answer is "no." My deepest condolences on your grandmother, grandfather, aunt and uncle. From what you've said here regarding your grandma, I belive you acted in a compkmtyolpionate, God-honoring way. The phrase I honed in on was "we kept her as comfortable as possible." You did what you could to keep her from suffering, including keeping her as hydrated as you were able. At the same time, you allowed God to decide when to call her home. None of these things can be said of Michael Schiavo. As for Terri, the only solace I see in her situation is that, yes, she will soon be with her savior, in perfect body and mind. But that doesn't ease the heartbreak I feel over the way she's being treated here on Earth. Further, what does this say about our culture, that when a person becomes inconvenient we can end their life? It disgusts me. Thank you for sharing your heartfelt story about your grandma. She must have been a wonderful woman. Blessings, LJ
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Post by marysia on Mar 30, 2005 13:56:03 GMT -5
thank you for your kind words about my grandma - no condolences though -- she's much better off now! her life was spent loving Christ and His "Family" as with the rest of my family - their pkmtyolpings have been blessings!
I agree on all your michael schivo talking points. had terri really wanted to not be kept alive -- why did this start 7 years later and now it's 15 years later. a person who makes this decision does not keep it to themselves - rather they share it. just as when you select to be an organ donor - they tell you to discuss it with the family becuase if they do not agree they can opt out! i believe he is being selfish and yes, killing his wife. i have to admit though - if it were my child, i'd pray that i would have the strength to die gracefully and go home to Jesus.
btw - his refusing her to receive the sacrament of Communion is, IMHO sick and very telling. he seems to know the power of prayer and faith and yet, is afraid of it. there have been people in ur history that have know and had faith and yet thrown it away for their own self lust/greed -- with this being Easter -- does judas ring a bell?!
my prayers are with her family in this harrowing time. I pray for Terri that God's will be done quickly - whatever it may be.
God Bless & Keep you, me
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Post by HomeAtLast on Apr 1, 2005 10:47:14 GMT -5
Hello all and God Bless.
This case makes me so angry and saddened by what the human race has come to. Terri Schiavo is a child of God. It is His decision as to what her life will be and what her purpose in life is.
As for the facts in the case, we will probably never know what she did or did not say to her husband. What is so sad is that even with doubts and discrepancies in the medical community our society chose death for her. This is a practice that would not be used for a convicted murder. Yes, she would never be the same Terri that she was 16 years ago, but who is? The average age of mentally disabled people in this country is 18 months old. Are they next on the list to die? Even if we believe what her husband said, that she said "no tubes", would that be her definitive statement or logically wouldn't she have followed that with "after all current day medical diagnosis and treatment has been exhausted" as all living wills say. Her husband and the courts refused any swallowing tests to see if she could live without the tubes, even after nurses submitted affidavits saying that they gave her jello and she swallowed it. Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the Red Cross, stated that she spoke to doctors on the case and that the EEG was not flat lined. She said that told her that there were technical discrepancies and that the test should have been redone, but the judge and the husband refused to do it. 5 doctors testified in the case. 3 said she was PVS, 2 said she was not PVS. That is a hung jury for a murder trial, but a death sentence for an innocent disabled woman. When pressed, all of the doctors interviewed admitted that there is no set standard to determine what a PVS is. It takes many, many hours to even test the patient and hours and hours of pouring over medical records, yet some of the doctors only examined her for 45 minutes and made a determination.
God's blessings and mercy for us all!
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Post by marysia on Apr 1, 2005 17:23:53 GMT -5
i heard someone commenting on the news the other day about the case and it really struck home....
the person doing the interview asked the other -- how is he still her husband? didn't he give up that right when he started in with the other woman and she had his children?
when i heard that fact - which i did not know - my heart broke. he was her husband enough to know her wishes on death and dying but not infidelity. i wonder -- why the parents couldn't have filed for divorce on behalf of their daughter years ago.
my prayers are with the Schindlers and Terri's family & friends.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 12, 2005 0:56:54 GMT -5
Wow, couldn't ask for a more biased selection of responses to the poll.
--TDv2.0 1:4:9
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Post by marysia on Jun 13, 2005 10:17:24 GMT -5
really -- and your opinion??
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 13, 2005 14:05:16 GMT -5
That she died fifteen years ago and her body simply didn't have the capacity to recognize it. Her memory, senses, and ability to consciously interact with her environment were all gone a long time ago. That's not living, it barely counts as existing. Her chances of recovering were zero, prolonging her life as long as it was accomplished nothing except serving the selfish desires of her family, and both sides need to be ashamed at parading her around to the media.
--TDv2.0 We are not the Huns
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Post by marysia on Jun 14, 2005 7:10:37 GMT -5
funny someone had asked me what i/my family would have done if it was myself/one of us - told them it would never get to the terri status becasue we all have "pull the plug" in out living wills and discuss it openly.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jun 17, 2005 2:55:27 GMT -5
Good to finally get the autopsy reports out in the open, find out that no, she was never abused like the family alleged, and no, she never had a chance of coming back. The right call was made after all, the real tragedy is that a) it took so long, and b) that it was made so public.
--TDv2.0 1:4:9
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