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Post by Pietro on Nov 25, 2004 10:59:36 GMT -5
Delayed hominization: The soul enters the fetus only after there is a certain degree of development. At that point it becomes a human person.
Immediate hominization: From the very moment of conception a soul enters the embyo making it a human person.
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Post by heathen76 on Nov 25, 2004 11:04:26 GMT -5
The soul enters the fetus at the time of it's choosing.
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Post by Pietro on Nov 25, 2004 12:49:33 GMT -5
The soul enters the fetus at the time of it's choosing. What makes you think that? |
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Post by heathen76 on Nov 26, 2004 10:40:35 GMT -5
I know it to be true. The soul is who and what you are. It has always existed and always will. Your body is just a vessel that allows you to have a physical life. That is all. When you decide to "enter" the fetal body, then you do so.
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Post by Pietro on Nov 26, 2004 11:07:56 GMT -5
I know it to be true. The soul is who and what you are. It has always existed and always will. Your body is just a vessel that allows you to have a physical life. That is all. When you decide to "enter" the fetal body, then you do so. But how do you know it to be true? Intuition? Logic? Revelation? |
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Post by Traffic Demon on Nov 26, 2004 13:06:40 GMT -5
Given the high number of fertilized eggs which are spontaneously aborted, even before the woman knows she is pregnant, I put down delayed.
--TDv2.0
1:4:9
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Post by heathen76 on Nov 26, 2004 13:57:17 GMT -5
But how do you know it to be true? Intuition? Logic? Revelation? I would say a combo of intuition and revelation. |
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Post by Pietro on Nov 26, 2004 14:22:41 GMT -5
Not that it matters a great deal but here is what I believe Aquinas and Aristotle understood by the "soul".
1. It makes an organism what it is and determines its end or defines the developmental trajectory.
2. It unifies and integrates an organism, maintaining its identity through changes.
3. It is also the source for the powers and capacities of the organism. What makes a human soul is neither its power to think nor to will (though it would still have these of course) but its power to organize a human body and to drive human development.
They believed every living thing has a soul and could be cpkmtyollified either as:
Nutritive or vegetative (it just eats and grows)
Perceptive or animal (has desires)
Rational or human (reasons with self awareness)
I was just reading an article by a guy who thinks the whole concept needs to be updated to accomodate a continuum of soul consciousness especially since we now know that even plants ar much more responsive to the environment than those old guys ever realized. So a plant and a dog and a human can all have souls but different kinds. If soemthing didn;t have soul it would lack all the things above.
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Post by TarueBeliever on Nov 26, 2004 14:46:08 GMT -5
Consider that King David wrote ... Psalms 139:16 Transliterated from Hebrew to English letters ...gâlemiy, râ'uw 'êyneykhâ , we'al-sipherekhâ, kûl•lâm yikâthêbuw: yâmim yûts•tsâruw; wl' (welow) 'echâd bâhem.Translating the words into English...gâlemiy, ( my unformed body) râ'uw 'êyneykhâ ( your eyes saw,) , we'al-sipherekhâ ( and on your scroll,) , kûl•lâm ( all of them) yikâthêbuw: ( they are written:) yâmim ( the days) yûts•tsâruw; ( they were formed;) wl' ( welow) ( and not) 'echâd ( one) bâhem. ( of them.) My translation reads ...Your eyes saw my unformed body, And on your scroll, all of them they are written: the days were formed; When not yet is one of them.God has the days of our lives written out (planned I suppose) even before we are formed. He knows of us even then. Scott
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Post by Pietro on Nov 30, 2004 10:04:33 GMT -5
God has the days of our lives written out (planned I suppose) even before we are formed. He knows of us even then.
Scott Are you saying we were human befor we were even conceived in the womb? |
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Post by Shirley on Jan 8, 2005 11:45:29 GMT -5
Are you saying we were human befor we were even conceived in the womb? Interesting. How could we be "human"..before we are conceived, we just spirit..to be human requires a body of flesh of some kind.. |
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Post by christian on Mar 4, 2005 7:11:13 GMT -5
Interesting. How could we be "human"..before we are conceived, we just spirit..to be human requires a body of flesh of some kind.. Does it? |
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Post by christian on Mar 4, 2005 7:59:11 GMT -5
I believe we existed before we were conceived, but that we only entered our unformed bodies from the moment they were implanted in the womb.
Andy.
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