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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 19, 2004 8:15:47 GMT -5
I, a Christian, have seen his posts, and although they do lack humilty and an openness to being taught, he takes the Bible very seriously. He believes it is the very written word of God, give to man so that we may learn more about the nature of God and live the life as a Christian should. That is how seriously he takes the Bible. TD just happens to interpret the beginning of the Bible differently than you. He believes it is an allegory, a parable about how the universe was created. Is he right? I don't know and I don't care. We are spending WAY TOO MUCH TIME arguing over how God created the universe when we should be out living the life that God has called us to. Philip, I apologize for misreading this post of yours. And I agree with what you have said about Traffic, apart from the bit about him taking the Bible seriously. I have decided not to bother disagreeing with him anymore. I don't believe in banging my head against a brick wall. Christian.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Oct 19, 2004 8:35:48 GMT -5
But only because the "cataclysm theory" has been shown to be an outright falsehood. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When all of the evidence points in one direction, it takes something big to overturn that body of evidence. "Cataclysm theory" doesn't have that kind of support. Except that it does. Read any of the recent geology journals. There is more evidence that the grand canyon was created much quicker than the previously assumed millions of years now than there ever was. It is not considered impossible that the Colorado river could have created the grand canyon. Now geologists are saying that the grand canyon could have been formed in thousands, not millions of years.
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Post by LauraJean on Oct 19, 2004 8:58:02 GMT -5
It came from the Amplified Bible, copyright: The Lockman Foundation. I got this from www.BibleGateway.com Oh, okay, I see; Thanks! The parts that didn't jive with my Bible were parts you added. Careful, Andy. The parts you added ("successive ages" "framed" (not "formed")) do indeed change the meaning of the pkmtyolpage, and we know what God says about adding to His word! LJ
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 19, 2004 9:02:12 GMT -5
Laura, I did change my opinion about the nature of matter in relation to Time. The following post of mine confirms my original belief that "matter has always existed along with Time": Scott, I disagree with you, as I believe that matter has always existed along with Time. Christians believe that there was no matter before God created the universe. If that's the case, then how could the creative process have ever got underway? If you were to invent something, you would first need the raw materials with which to make it. It says in the Bible that God took some earth and created the first man out of it. Christian.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 19, 2004 9:27:01 GMT -5
Oh, okay, I see; Thanks! The parts that didn't jive with my Bible were parts you added. Careful, Andy. The parts you added ("successive ages" "framed" (not "formed")) do indeed change the meaning of the pkmtyolpage, and we know what God says about adding to His word! LJ Actually, I have no problem with the way that the Lockman Foundation people have added to Hebrews 11:3. All they have done is help the reader have a clearer understanding of the scripture pkmtyolpage. Had they printed anything more, I might have started getting a little concerned. The interpreting of scripture is not in itself a sin, as long as it is done in with a genuine respect for God's Word. Christian.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 19, 2004 9:51:01 GMT -5
Laura,
The word "frame", as used in the pkmtyolpage, means "a basic structure that underlies or supports a system". Now we know that this is true of the way that God created our planet. He has given it and all living creatures on it structured, bodily forms.
Christian.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Oct 19, 2004 15:31:54 GMT -5
7-911-7? , Actually, if you did a search of my recent posts, the post you question is a rare post of mine to TD after a long restful period where I've hardly spoken to him at all. So I guess, in answer to your question, I've already given it a rest, and being rested, could quite possibly get that spunky feeling again!
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Post by Traffic Demon on Oct 19, 2004 15:55:43 GMT -5
PhilipDC78 - "There is more evidence that the grand canyon was created much quicker than the previously assumed millions of years now than there ever was."
While certain erosion events in the canyon certainly took place on a smaller time scale, the time scale for the carving of the entire canyon remains on the level of millions of years.
"Now geologists are saying that the grand canyon could have been formed in thousands, not millions of years."
Can I get a source for that? Also, what were these "good arguments as to why creation is a valid argument" that you mentioned earlier?
--TDv2.0 1:4:9
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Post by TarueBeliever on Oct 19, 2004 20:45:34 GMT -5
7-911-7-321-7 & B.D. Traf,
I'd like to hear your beliefs about going to Heaven.
Scott
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Post by Traffic Demon on Oct 19, 2004 21:12:08 GMT -5
TarueBeliever - Straight up to the pearly gates upon death, no waiting.
--TDv2.0 There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 20, 2004 5:57:56 GMT -5
7-911-7-321-7 & B.D. Traf, I'd like to hear your beliefs about going to Heaven. Scott Scott, I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord over all, and I can't get to Heaven by my own efforts as I am a sinner. I am saved by the grace of God and my acceptance of the fact that Christ paid the price for my sins, which separated me from God, on the Cross. He took my sin and shame, and on the third day He rose from the grave. He now sits at the right hand of His Father in Heaven. And one day soon, bro', we are going to be up there partying with Him. Praise the Lord!!! Hey Traffic, are you sure that there are pearly gates in heaven? Christian.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 20, 2004 6:10:03 GMT -5
7-911-7? , Actually, if you did a search of my recent posts, the post you question is a rare post of mine to TD after a long restful period where I've hardly spoken to him at all. So I guess, in answer to your question, I've already given it a rest, and being rested, could quite possibly get that spunky feeling again! I see. And don't worry, I haven't received the "Mark of the Beast". For a full explanation of the meaning of my new username, go to the discussion thread about "Biblical numbers". Christian.
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Post by marysia on Oct 20, 2004 7:58:55 GMT -5
PhilipDC78 - "There is more evidence that the grand canyon was created much quicker than the previously assumed millions of years now than there ever was."While certain erosion events in the canyon certainly took place on a smaller time scale, the time scale for the carving of the entire canyon remains on the level of millions of years. "Now geologists are saying that the grand canyon could have been formed in thousands, not millions of years."Can I get a source for that? Also, what were these "good arguments as to why creation is a valid argument" that you mentioned earlier? --TDv2.0 1:4:9 hi TD, i know i ask a lot of rather mind numbingly dorky questions but... why does it matter when the grand canyon "became"? why does it really matter in regards to creation and the arguments for or against this theory or that? i'm not really asking this of you, but rather just sending it out into the wind. i know of people who question Christ, Noah, Moses, Bible word -- everything. Isn't that what faith is all about -- belief period.
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Post by TarueBeliever on Oct 20, 2004 9:24:53 GMT -5
Scott, I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord over all, and I can't get to Heaven by my own efforts as I am a sinner. I am saved by the grace of God and my acceptance of the fact that Christ paid the price for my sins, which separated me from God, on the Cross. He took my sin and shame, and on the third day He rose from the grave. He now sits at the right hand of His Father in Heaven. And one day soon, bro', we are going to be up there partying with Him. Praise the Lord!!! Hey Traffic, are you sure that there are pearly gates in heaven? Christian. I'm sorry, Christian. I didn't phrase my request quite right. What I'd like to hear about about are your views about (1) going "straight to the gate" verses (2) waiting until the day of judgment and then going to New Jerusalem verses (3) some other option.
Scott
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Post by AlphaOmega on Oct 20, 2004 9:59:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Christian. I didn't phrase my request quite right. What I'd like to hear about about are your views about (1) going "straight to the gate" verses (2) waiting until the day of judgment and then going to New Jerusalem verses (3) some other option.
Scott I'm not sure. I really haven't given it much thought. I'm looking forward to being in Paradise. Will I be judged along with the ungodly? I hope not. The New Jerusalem - I'm looking forward to it. It's one piece of real estate that money can't buy. And only those of us who have been purchased by the blood of the Lamb are going to be allowed in. It didn't cost us anything to enter, but it cost our Lord dearly....... Christian.
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