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Post by genesda on Jun 16, 2004 6:28:27 GMT -5
this is not judging? do not feel lahaye and jenkins are prophets. They are prophets of doom? ?<--------------- hmmmmmm what do you call that? just because they see it diff then you don't meen they are doomed we are here to bring people to christ not push what are view on things are and if lahaye and Jenkins are bring people to christ that is the main thing once they are brought to christ they can read the bible and let the holy spirit guide them to the truth I believe it's better to bring someone to Christ with truth and not fiction. [/color] I don't base it on one or two verses.I let the holy spirit guide me through the whole chapter not just one verse remeber we are all christians here we are all on the same team right?? We are supposed to be on the same team, but some beliefs are contrary to scripture and don't represent the right team. [/color] I can only tell you how I read into it not to tell you you need to see it my way because i think mine is the only one that is right I'm not like that.. That's good to know. Now maybe you'll examine what I write and determine if I'm correct and if not, you can show me my errors. [/color] I read your post and I will take my bible and find the truth for myself I don't take yours or anyone else's as truth.I read it for myself and let the holy spirit guide me to the truth O.K., what is the biblical truth on the teachings of a soul that lives on after the body dies? [/color] you have ask me how I would feel if there was not a rapture and I told you it wouldn't make me feel any diff.....How about YOU would you feel any diff if there was one would you be disappointed?? I won't be disappointed because I know where that teaching originated and I know it's a false doctrine. When Jesus returns, He will raise up the dead in Him along with the living and that will be the end of time as we know it on Earth. There will be no 7 year period for anyone to have a second chance at salvation. [/color] I'm not saying you have to believe in the rapture I'm just asking because you did....Just remember we are on the same team here(((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))) My purpose is to dispell the false notion of a second chance that many believe they'll have to "get right" with God.
Those books you mentioned are leading some to believe they are biblical and truthful. Tim Lehaye has been deceived and he doesn't know it, but he's making a fortune with his books that are leadfing many to destruction.
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Post by marysia on Jun 16, 2004 7:22:52 GMT -5
well ben -- i'm one of "them". although i'm not 100% certian on the whole "rapture" theory, I do believe CHrist WILL come again. Being an Rcc i've been taught that yes, Christ WILL come again. now the basic how, where and when -- I'll leave that up to God. The bible doesn't tell us exactly when, but it does tell us when we can know the time is near, as it is now. [/color] which is why my folks taught us as kids to always be "ready" - you don't know when Jesus will come. there was a poem - something like - the clock of life is wound but once and no man has the power to tell just whent he clock will stop at late or early hour... can't remember the rest but it basically said - that you should always be ready and strong in your relationship with God becuase it could be 5 minutes, years or life times away. although i do believe, with the state of our society - it will be cooner versus later.i think it is foolish for people to cast such negative light on the series. i think only the foolish people will see it for what it is NOT - biblical truth. i devoured the first 5 books in 4 days -- i became a hermit. my heart was so filled and my eyes so opened to what they had been closed to for sooooooo long - it was amazing. even to think -- hey what if that were to happen -- where would i be, where am i in my relationship with Christ -- i didn't like the asnwers i had for myself. Does this mean that you will now denounce the Rcc? After all, Tim Lehaye preaches a different gospel than what Rome does.
maybe you misread what i wrote -- i know they are fiction. however at the time of reading i was in a very bad place. after reading them and thinking what if - (i do that alot, even stupid things like hurricanes hitting, etc) i didn't like how i was living my life. i knew full on they were fiction and against what the Rcc teaches. i took them as one man's interprutation and his thoughts. i guess because i read a lot of fiction for enjoyment - it was just that. when i say it opened my eyes - it opened my heart really - well no, really it made me realize that i needed to open the door fully to Christ and let Him come in - not just keep looking through the peep hole or holding the door open a smidge saying - whadda want ; ) after reading those books, i started reading and learning - it was when i went out for myself and bought a study bible and actually started reading - becasue i wanted to! You've just proved that emotions are not to be trusted. The "left behind" series is a joke and a lie. they may have some truth, but that truth is distorted and is setting the world up to receive Satan as Jesus by impersonation. Tim Lehaye ansd others have been deceived by their refusal to accept biblical truths that they disagree with and others have bought into their deceptions. There will be no 7 year period after Christ comes for the saved and this is what Satan wants eyes closed to. By getting people to believe they will have a second chance at salvation when their eyes are opened by the "rapture" of the saved, they will be lost because they waited for proof rather than accept the biblical truths. [/color] gene, i think you know i do not believe in the whole rapture theory, however, i enjoyed reading this series and continue reading the kids series. there have been books throughout the years on this subject they just have better PR. i do not feel lahaye and jenkins are prophets. They are prophets of doom. [/color] i do feel that they opened a lot of eyes with their books. Actually, their eyes have been shut to the biblical truth. [/color] sure was it to make money -- yeah sure. however i'd rather buy that book and give them the money than a "smut" book. (won't name authors as that's not very polite). Both will cause some to be lost forever, so what difference does it make? I'll tell you the difference, Tim Lehaye's books will make some feel better about themselves while they are still lost! Pastors and "priests" can be deceived just like anyone else. If you don't believe that, just look at the 9 commandments they preach about. [/color][/quote] but gene, how many people read the books only because they wanted to see what all the hub-bub was about? how many of them then started looking, searching and have found God. i am sure there are those that think these books are more than what they are - a FICTIONAL series of one groups interprutation. do people really read books like in the 70's - Jaws - did they really believe - i sure hope not. however, did they maybe stop and do a little research about their next trip -- maybe ; )
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Post by babysis on Jun 16, 2004 7:33:13 GMT -5
ME!!!! That was me!
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Post by genesda on Jun 16, 2004 7:54:32 GMT -5
but gene, how many people read the books only because they wanted to see what all the hub-bub was about?
I don't know. Lehaye promises a look at the future from a biblical perspective, so I would imagine it's a lot more than you think it might be. how many of them then started looking, searching and have found God. Not as many as those who believe in God already and were looking for answers that Lehaye promises. [/color] i am sure there are those that think these books are more than what they are Absolutely!! That's where I have a problem. It does matter what you believe!! [/color] a FICTIONAL series of one groups interprutation. do people really read books like in the 70's - Jaws - did they really believe - i sure hope not. This isn't a good example. [/color] however, did they maybe stop and do a little research about their next trip -- maybe ; ) [/color] Marysia, come on now. There's a huge difference between what Tim Lahaye represents and what Jaws represented. People believe LeHaye's books are accurate biblically. They don't know their bibles very well because they depend on what they hear from the pulpits as most people do, so they cling to what they are told is correct. By the way, that's what you as a Rc do also, LOL. Admit it. You reject the plain simple instructions of the scriptures because you believe your popes can change God's word and that's what you follow.
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Post by marysia on Jun 16, 2004 8:28:37 GMT -5
but gene, how many people read the books only because they wanted to see what all the hub-bub was about?
I don't know. Lehaye promises a look at the future from a biblical perspective, so I would imagine it's a lot more than you think it might be. how many of them then started looking, searching and have found God. Not as many as those who believe in God already and were looking for answers that Lehaye promises. [/color] i am sure there are those that think these books are more than what they are Absolutely!! That's where I have a problem. It does matter what you believe!! [/color] a FICTIONAL series of one groups interprutation. do people really read books like in the 70's - Jaws - did they really believe - i sure hope not. This isn't a good example. [/color] however, did they maybe stop and do a little research about their next trip -- maybe ; ) [/color] Marysia, come on now. There's a huge difference between what Tim Lahaye represents and what Jaws represented. People believe LeHaye's books are accurate biblically. They don't know their bibles very well because they depend on what they hear from the pulpits as most people do, so they cling to what they are told is correct. By the way, that's what you as a Rc do also, LOL. Admit it. You reject the plain simple instructions of the scriptures because you believe your popes can change God's word and that's what you follow.
[/color][/quote] gene - fiction is fiction - jaws or lahaye. i did not know that the left behind series was ever touted as anything more than fiction. YOU can say all you want about the Rcc, because i know you are wrong - why becuase you yourself admit to a few things when it comes to the Rcc -- 1) you only read what you want until you see what you want 2) you will not actually read the catechism 3) you take the word of others versus what the Rcc has in print 4) you have been as taught by the SDA as yes, i have with the Rcc. when i question something within the Rcc, i look at "where they found that in the bible" and read and study for myself. you, however, do not and don't even try gene - on various other threads - you yourself have claimed all the above - including reading only what you want and not taking all the information for full context - just what you have said the Rcc does with certian pkmtyolpsages in the bible so. this thread is about the series - not the Rcc, you have a number of other threads to bash them all you'd like PS - just like within this post - you ony commented on what you found you could banter on - not the post as a whole.
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Post by genesda on Jun 16, 2004 9:32:08 GMT -5
gene - fiction is fiction - jaws or lahaye. i did not know that the left behind series was ever touted as anything more than fiction. It is a series of books about the rapture as it is commonly taught in many churches today. You are correct about them being fiction, but others don't believe they're fiction. They mislead. [/color] YOU can say all you want about the Rcc, because i know you are wrong - why becuase you yourself admit to a few things when it comes to the Rcc -- 1) you only read what you want until you see what you want Why should I read the writings of people who claim to have authority over God's word and have changed God's teachings? [/color] 2) you will not actually read the catechism Correct. It is another book of fiction with some truths. I don''t have the time or the inclination to sort through much selfrighteousness to find a glimmer of truth here or there. [/color] 3) you take the word of others versus what the Rcc has in print Actually, I've posted the quotes of Roman popes. You deny the quotes that have been shown to you because they're not in the catechisim. There is much more to the Roman church than what's in the catechisim. [/color] 4) you have been as taught by the SDA as yes, i have with the Rcc. when i question something within the Rcc, i look at "where they found that in the bible" and read and study for myself. I don't believe you actually study, but just look to see if those verses are there that are referred to. I might be wrong, but if you studied as you claim, then you'd come to the conclusion that Rome has distorted the scriptural teachings. That is the truth of the matter. [/color] you, however, do not and don't even try gene - on various other threads - you yourself have claimed all the above - including reading only what you want and not taking all the information for full context - just what you have said the Rcc does with certian pkmtyolpsages in the bible so. When I read things such as your pope saying it is foolish and presumptive to think that one can go directly to God for forgivness, or "our Lord God the pope, or "the pope can change even the Divine precepts(commandments) of God, or The pope can judge and excommunicate angels in heaven if they erred in the faith, why should I waste my time reading such foolishness? If you want to believe those things, go ahead, BUT THEY AREN'T BIBLICAL! [/color] this thread is about the series - not the Rcc, you have a number of other threads to bash them all you'd like ...."When in Rome do as the ......." [/color] PS - just like within this post - you ony commented on what you found you could banter on - not the post as a whole. My intent is to open eyes which are closed. When one refuses to wake up to the truth, they have no excuse to offer as to why they refuse to see the light. [/color]
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