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Post by Erasmus on Mar 29, 2004 13:06:21 GMT -5
To confirm what Genesda says here " Right. As long as one is in a combat zone and gets a scratch, one gets a purple heart. I could never allow anyone to build me up like Kerry does. "
I spoke with my dad who was in Vietnam and per my dad, the US started giving out medals like candy because they needed heroes because of the bad PR the war was getting. I think I'll take my dad's word for it, he was in the middle of things in Vietnam for his whole time, not like Kerry.
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Post by MorningStar on Mar 29, 2004 13:30:48 GMT -5
Did his organizing war protests against the USA on foreign soil bother you any? [/color][/quote] Why would it? He's just exercising his right to protest against the government's actions.
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Post by donkeydude on Mar 29, 2004 16:36:21 GMT -5
To confirm what Genesda says here " Right. As long as one is in a combat zone and gets a scratch, one gets a purple heart. I could never allow anyone to build me up like Kerry does. " I spoke with my dad who was in Vietnam and per my dad, the US started giving out medals like candy because they needed heroes because of the bad PR the war was getting. I think I'll take my dad's word for it, he was in the middle of things in Vietnam for his whole time, not like Kerry. Simply serving in Vietnam doesn't make a person and expert. My father too was in Vietnam he was Green Beret with the 5th Special Forces Group. He likes John Kerry. I asked him about the medals that John Kerry has and he tells me that he could buy into fact that perhaps he one Purple Heart just because of a scratch, but not 3. Nor, could he have received the Silver and Bronze Stars without displaying a good degree of heroism and disregard of ones self. Just because my dad said these things doesn’t make them any truer than what other vets of said. It's a very political issue and it will never be agreeable to everyone.
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Post by atomheart on Mar 29, 2004 17:30:50 GMT -5
Why would it? He's just exercising his right to protest against the government's actions. That's fine, but to do it on foreign soil I think is totally dis-respectful in the least! Now, imagine if it was discoverd that Bush did something like that. You would never hear the end of it from Rather and/or Jennings and I doubt you would be acting as if it was no big thing.
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Post by genesda on Mar 30, 2004 8:23:49 GMT -5
That's fine, but to do it on foreign soil I think is totally dis-respectful in the least! Now, imagine if it was discoverd that Bush did something like that. You would never hear the end of it from Rather and/or Jennings and I doubt you would be acting as if it was no big thing. You said a lot in these few words. [/color]
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Post by Panther on Mar 30, 2004 9:47:25 GMT -5
Treason??? LOL!! I think you'd better look up what is considered a treasonable offense before you go over the top with this one. You're right. I wrote too fast. What I should have said was that he is attempting to undermine the policies of the USA while being nothing more than a candidate for the commander-in-chief's job. Any way you look at Kerry, he's not the man he wants people to believe he is. He's nothing more than a gigilo.
[/color][/quote] A gigilo? haha! That was funny- I agree with ya here genesda- I took one look at him and didn't trust him!!! Nice to see ya, by the way! Lisa
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Post by masarap on Mar 30, 2004 22:26:07 GMT -5
A gigilo? haha! That was funny- I agree with ya here genesda- I took one look at him and didn't trust him!!! Nice to see ya, by the way! Lisa Lisa, if you don't trust him, you have judged him and thats the very thing you said we must not do on another thread. Why is it ok for you? You see we judge peoples character, actions words, etc... all the time and we should! But we should also judge ourselves according to Gods Word.... Blessings!!, Masarap
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Post by genesda on Mar 31, 2004 6:14:09 GMT -5
Lisa, if you don't trust him, you have judged him and thats the very thing you said we must not do on another thread. Why is it ok for you? You see we judge peoples character, actions words, etc... all the time and we should! But we should also judge ourselves according to Gods Word.... Blessings!!, Masarap I think it is wrong to judge in matters of one's salvation, but not in what their character reveals. I condemn no one, but will point out their error in matters of Christian belief. [/color]
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Post by masarap on Mar 31, 2004 22:38:43 GMT -5
Gene, this all started because I judged the fruit of an individual not the salvation of this particular person... I agree that no mere man can do that , THANKFULLY!!! I mean if Jefrey Dahmer can be saved, anyone can!!!! there are also very good moral people that will be separated from God for eternity because Jesus never knew them, and they either did not want to know Him or they made a "jesus" in their own image...
But to say that its not right to judge someones actions who claims Christ, yet calls good what God calls evil and evil what God calls good, is wrong also... You have done it, and so have many others!!
My point to Lisa was that she did the very thing that she critisized me for... judging the FRUIT of an individual. The Apostle Paul admonished believers, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17-18). This apostolic command could not be obeyed were it not right to judge. God wants us to know His Word and then test all teachers and teaching by it. Notice also that it is the false teachers who make the "divisions," and not those who protest against their false teaching. And these deceivers are not serving Christ, as they profess, "but their own belly," or their own "bread and butter," as we would put it. We are to "mark them and avoid them." There are many people here that I very much call brothers and sisters in Christ and care for them even though often times we disagree, why??? because of the fruit I have observed and there love for Jesus....
The one thing we must do as Christians is judge ourselves... "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves" (2 Corinthians 13:5). "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened [child trained] of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world" (1 Corinthians 11:31-32)
As Christians we should also feed on solid food and go on to maturity!!! Hebrews 5:11 says "Concerning this we have much to say which is hard to explain, since you have become dull in your [spiritual] hearing and sluggish [even slothful in achieving spiritual insight]. 12For even though by this time you ought to be teaching others, you actually need someone to teach you over again the very first principles of God's Word. You have come to need milk, not solid food. 13For everyone who continues to feed on milk is obviously inexperienced and unskilled in the doctrine of righteousness (of conformity to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action), for he is a mere infant [not able to talk yet]! 14But solid food is for full-grown men, for those whose senses and mental faculties are trained by practice to discriminate and distinguish between what is morally good and noble and what is evil and contrary either to divine or human law.
Tihs way we can discern what is good from bad doctrine and ideas ... I hope this makes sense!! NOW back to John Kerry ;D, Masarap
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Post by genesda on Apr 1, 2004 6:54:24 GMT -5
I don't see the problem you have with this statement. He voted "Yes" then he and Joe Biden decided to introduce and amendment that would roll back the tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans to pay for the 87 billion dollar price tag. The amendment was rejected on a party line vote then he changed his vote to "No". How is that wrong? Since the money was to benefit the soldiers in the field fighting a war, he is a hipocrite for saying he is supporting the soldiers. He's not honest, just like most of the Democrats. [/color]
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Post by genesda on Apr 1, 2004 7:00:16 GMT -5
Why would it? He's just exercising his right to protest against the government's actions. His right? How many american soldiers died as a result of Kerry's actions along with Jane Fonda's and Clinton for prolonging the war in Vietnam . Never forget, we have the word of the N. Vietnamese General Giap on this subject saying that they were about ready to give up in S.Vietnam until they saw the political tide turning in their favor because of the war protests. Those trairors were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of U.S. soldiers by their protests.
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Post by marysia on Apr 1, 2004 7:36:32 GMT -5
Why would it? He's just exercising his right to protest against the government's actions. His right? How many american soldiers died as a result of Kerry's actions along with Jane Fonda's and Clinton for prolonging the war in Vietnam . Never forget, we have the word of the N. Vietnamese General Giap on this subject saying that they were about ready to give up in S.Vietnam until they saw the political tide turning in their favor because of the war protests. Those trairors were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of U.S. soldiers by their protests.
[/color][/quote] unfortunately - no matter what - it was his right HOWEVER -- he then has no right IMO to tout himself as some type of war hero.
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Post by genesda on Apr 1, 2004 7:54:20 GMT -5
unfortunately - no matter what - it was his right HOWEVER -- he then has no right IMO to tout himself as some type of war hero. I disagree about what was his "right". I don't believe any demonstration against our soldiers in the field is a right of anyone. They are giving aid and support to the enemy by their actions and should be dealt with accordingly. The military is an arm of the government and any demonstration against the government is a defacto demonstration against the people carring out the will or purpose of the government, ie. the soldiers. He came back here and lied before Congress about out soldiers in the field generally, becvause of the actions of a few. He denegrated and accused them all with his lies.
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Post by MorningStar on Apr 1, 2004 9:01:38 GMT -5
The military is an arm of the government and any demonstration against the government is a defacto demonstration against the people carring out the will or purpose of the government, ie. the soldiers. [/color][/quote] I disagree here (big suprise). I think its possible to disagree with what the government is doing, yet not take it down to those just carring out the will of it. I don't think we should be in Iraq now (no secret), but I don't hold it against the solider - they are doing their job and following orders. I can imagine a lot of people have issues with taxes and whatnot, but if you met an IRS agent on the street, should you take it out on them? or rather on those in charge? Probably not the best example, hopefully my point got across.
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Post by genesda on Apr 1, 2004 9:21:02 GMT -5
I disagree here (big suprise). I think its possible to disagree with what the government is doing, yet not take it down to those just carring out the will of it. I don't think we should be in Iraq now (no secret), but I don't hold it against the solider - they are doing their job and following orders. I can imagine a lot of people have issues with taxes and whatnot, but if you met an IRS agent on the street, should you take it out on them? or rather on those in charge? Probably not the best example, hopefully my point got across. Kerry had a vote that affected the soldier directly. He hasn't changed hism spots as he would like everyone to believe. He is still anti-war/antisoldier. I am not in favor of war, but if it is necessary, let's win it and get it over with. [/color]
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