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Post by larrygn on Oct 29, 2003 11:31:57 GMT -5
Traffic Demon: Well I must say that the science of your background is far better suited to the topic than mine; however, in that case, you should be familiar with all the statements I made, not unaware of them, and be able to refute those who made them, if they are wrong, not tell me they don't exisit since I can not give you direct references. I now understand what you are fascinated with your location of 1st man, but it does not make it correct. If the Bible is in error, then how much of it is in error? If it is false, then why are we even on this site. The world would be controled by people following the mold of Attlia the Hun if it were not for the soldiers of the cross, so maybe the Bible is relevant. Again I say, just because your science can not find traces of it, it does not mean the first man was not in the Garden of Eden, and the Garden of Eden was only into the small part of Africa, and certainly not the central, nor southern parts. God created man where He says, not where science belives him to have been created now. ( I believe at one time, it was thought maybe China had the oldest remants of man, but that was soon displaced ). Are you saying that there will never be a discovery to state that your areas of Africa are the first?
michaeldark: My opinions are my opinions, what do they have to do with my scientific background? You wish to attack my background, because I have different theological ideas than you. I see no sense to this. I do not state that science agrees with me, and I have certainly stated on numerous opkmtyolcions that no denominations I know of hold positions that I take. 1. They are put out for thought and debate. 2. They are theories that may or may not hold water. 3. They are there to cause people to think and respond.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by Kee on Oct 29, 2003 13:57:36 GMT -5
Hey, if Ten is Powerful we had better not upset it! It could be God in disguise! Joking. I just couldn't resist saying that. Got a strange sense of humour! ;D Smiling.... Andy, God is craftily hidden in ALL of his creations. You were more right than apparently you realize!
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Post by Traffic Demon on Oct 29, 2003 17:14:21 GMT -5
larrygn - "however, in that case, you should be familiar with all the statements I made, not unaware of them"
I don't believe that I've ever claimed absolute knowledge in any field, only a solid grounding.
"and be able to refute those who made them, if they are wrong, not tell me they don't exisit since I can not give you direct references."
I don't believe that I've ever claimed that a statement of yours was incorrect because you could not cite a reference, but only because the facts did not support that statement.
"If the Bible is in error, then how much of it is in error?
I don't believe that I've ever stated that any pkmtyolpage of the Bible was in error, only that certain pkmtyolpages cannot be interpreted literally if they are to remain true.
"Again I say, just because your science can not find traces of it, it does not mean the first man was not in the Garden of Eden"
No, but the farther back we go in the evolutionary history of our species, the farther we get from where the Garden of Eden is purported to have existed.
"Are you saying that there will never be a discovery to state that your areas of Africa are the first?"
Not at all, but every fossil that is found further confirms the theory that our ancestors arose in Africa. Go back far enough in our history, and you quickly find that all of the oldest fossils are found in Africa alone; unless an ancient hominid fossil is found outside of Africa, there is no logical basis for a conclusion that our ancestors originated anywhere else.
--War Traf
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Post by larrygn on Nov 2, 2003 16:03:17 GMT -5
Traffic Demon: I want to make perfectly clear that my posts to you are NOT ATTACKING YOU, only commenting in open, Christian, and friendly debate. I do hope you understand this. I often feel I am questioning you or attacking your positions. I know yours have many valid points, and feel that you also are questioning, as am I, we just have different perspectives and only want to find correct truth. I admire, and respect your positions,and am sorry that you have suffered some most non-Chrsitian attacks because you do not blindly follow others, do not count me in that group. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by Traffic Demon on Nov 2, 2003 19:18:07 GMT -5
larrygn - "I want to make perfectly clear that my posts to you are NOT ATTACKING YOU... I do hope you understand this."
I do.
"do not count me in that group."
I don't.
--TDv2.0
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Post by larrygn on Nov 3, 2003 10:59:29 GMT -5
Traffic Demon: You have a solid scientific background for us here, but if you accept the Bible in matters of faith and doctrine, then aren't you just really stating much of the OT is just story? I just want to know your correct position, so that I do not make incorrect assumptions, and I would love to have some time to talk with you at a conference or something. I do believe that your positions are such that many young people would be able to refute those who do not believe by looking at your positions, a little to strong on science only for me, but certainly better that the 6006 years BC theory, which is so far out as to loose many of our acedemically talented youth.
Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by Traffic Demon on Nov 3, 2003 17:09:42 GMT -5
larrygn - "if you accept the Bible in matters of faith and doctrine, then aren't you just really stating much of the OT is just story?"
Not really; when comparing Scripture to science, pretty much the only pkmtyolpages where a literal interpretation contradicts the evidence is in the first eleven chapters of Genesis. Everything else matches up pretty well.
--El Traf
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Post by larrygn on Nov 3, 2003 21:48:02 GMT -5
Traffic Demon: I see that you are saying only the first 11 chapters of genesis are suspect, the balance is isnpired by God, written by man, or what? Beyond that I do have a few points, but will have to admit that my background does not give me much ability to defend against solid evolutionists with phD's in the field, and and open and inquiring mind -- still I think there has to be more to things than what seems to appear. I do now question the pyramids of Giza, as my reading had stated everything was a flawless copy of the night sky for 12,500 BC. In any event, I shall be glad to see where this goes, Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by Traffic Demon on Nov 3, 2003 22:16:31 GMT -5
larrygn - "I see that you are saying only the first 11 chapters of genesis are suspect, the balance is isnpired by God, written by man, or what?"
I believe that the entire Bible, including those pkmtyolpages of Genesis, is inspired by God, and that those pkmtyolpages which I interpret as figurative were revealed to the biblical authors by God in a manner that they and their audience would be capable of understanding.
--TDv2.0
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Nov 4, 2003 11:08:42 GMT -5
larrygn - "I see that you are saying only the first 11 chapters of genesis are suspect, the balance is isnpired by God, written by man, or what?"I believe that the entire Bible, including those pkmtyolpages of Genesis, is inspired by God, and that those pkmtyolpages which I interpret as figurative were revealed to the biblical authors by God in a manner that they and their audience would be capable of understanding. Traffic, Why didn't God simply say to the Biblical authors that Man sinned from the very beginning by choosing to live independently of Him, and so evil increased in the land? Andy.
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Post by babysis on Nov 4, 2003 13:19:57 GMT -5
Why can't everyone just accept the fact that we are Christians and we will have different interpretations on things. We are all saved by the same blood of Jesus. Just accept that fact and deal with the fact that people are different, but that doesn't make them less saved by the blood.
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Post by larrygn on Nov 4, 2003 14:39:47 GMT -5
Traffic Demon: We are not as far apart as I thought. I just felt the stories had some special relevance, which we were to search to discover, and that clues to the reason laid within the stories themselves. I also know that a 5th century AD bishop did not get inspiration from God to date the world. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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Post by Traffic Demon on Nov 4, 2003 16:51:25 GMT -5
I2AM4GOD - "Why didn't God simply say to the Biblical authors that Man sinned from the very beginning by choosing to live independently of Him, and so evil increased in the land?"Possibly because that simply doesn't make as good of a story. larrygn - "We are not as far apart as I thought."Not too far at all, really --Traf E. Traf
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Nov 27, 2003 6:33:51 GMT -5
"Is everything made out of matter?" - does it matter? ;D
Andy.
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Post by larrygn on Nov 29, 2003 13:24:15 GMT -5
I2AM4GOD: Andy: yes, intersts of science as we know it today, everythiing we know of is made out of matter; however, this does not include God, as we do not "know" Him, only about Him. Yours in the Ever Living Christ, Larry
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