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Smoking
Apr 1, 2005 20:54:07 GMT -5
Post by compguy on Apr 1, 2005 20:54:07 GMT -5
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Smoking
Apr 1, 2005 21:25:47 GMT -5
Post by Cohdra on Apr 1, 2005 21:25:47 GMT -5
People do all kinds of things that endanger their lives. Smoking, drinking, red meat, being overweight, extreme sports, driving, spending too much time in the sun, etc I find it a bit hypocritical when only one is singled out....too much proaganda from the anti-smoking lobby If you do some web surfing on unbiased research on smoking, you get much more honest data on the subject. It's terribly sad to see Christians embracing the secular "religion" of health, fitness, looking good, making lots of money, and having worldly status. Check out this link; it's a very short read, but very eye-opening www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33572God bless
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Post by babysis on Apr 2, 2005 0:06:18 GMT -5
No offense but you were around the age 8 (depending on when your birthday is) when the surgeon general told us that tobacco can and does kill. We have known this for 51 years.
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Post by compguy on Apr 2, 2005 8:32:41 GMT -5
No offense but you were around the age 8 (depending on when your birthday is) when the surgeon general told us that tobacco can and does kill. We have known this for 51 years. Actually I was around that age when I started. Once hooked I couldn't figure out why I had a problem stopping. Over the years it got worse till one day I decided I'd had it. Then I quit. Compguy
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Post by compguy on Apr 2, 2005 8:38:43 GMT -5
People do all kinds of things that endanger their lives. Smoking, drinking, red meat, being overweight, extreme sports, driving, spending too much time in the sun, etc I find it a bit hypocritical when only one is singled out....too much proaganda from the anti-smoking lobby If you do some web surfing on unbiased research on smoking, you get much more honest data on the subject. It's terribly sad to see Christians embracing the secular "religion" of health, fitness, looking good, making lots of money, and having worldly status. Check out this link; it's a very short read, but very eye-opening www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33572God bless The only thing I can say is that of all my friends and old school mates all those who quit smoking or never smoked at still alive and kicking. On the other hand all those who smoked and continued are all dead now. One died in the war but all the others could be traced back to something that smoking causes. It's sort of like seening a young person on a trail in the woods and you tell them not to continue cause there is a mad bear up ahead and it will kill them. The go around you and continue toward the bear anyway. Compguy
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Post by Cohdra on Apr 2, 2005 9:19:26 GMT -5
Smoking, drinking in moderation, etc are not sins
They are not condemned in scripture
I have always found it interesting how Christians are more than willing to "add" these in, then tell Catholics that they can use birth control because it does not explicitly state in scripture that you shouldn't use it (even though there are biblical texts that seem to go against it).
Hypocrisy? I think so...
So, they add things in at their convenience, but when it comes to something they find inconvenient (like being fruitful), suddenly they are biblical literalists....
That kind of hypocrisy does not sit well with God; manipulating the bible to suit our likes and dislikes is diabolical
Anyone that either places health above morality, or puts them on equal footing is not interpreting scripture correctly. They have been brain-washed by secular society that tells us that health, appearance and fitness are the goals; not mercy, compkmtyolpion, truth, forgiveness and humility which is what Christ taught us.
Whether you smoke or drink (in moderation) says nothing about your moral character.
I've heard Christians say vain things on here, like "I can't stand the smell", "It disgusts me", etc
It's all vanity
If you have severe allergies, or breathing difficulties, then you have a right to stay away from it, to not have it in your home, workplace, etc
But stop condemning and trying to control others. Christians shouldn't fear death either. The only grounds you have for condemning smoking is its unhealthy......ummm.....we are all going to die eventually.
The lifespan of smokers meets the mortality rate avg in the United States. Do some un-biased research, please
God bless
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Smoking
Apr 2, 2005 10:23:22 GMT -5
Post by RuneOfRed on Apr 2, 2005 10:23:22 GMT -5
Smoking, drinking in moderation, etc are not sins They are not condemned in scripture I have always found it interesting how Christians are more than willing to "add" these in, then tell Catholics that they can use birth control because it does not explicitly state in scripture that you shouldn't use it (even though there are biblical texts that seem to go against it). Hypocrisy? I think so... So, they add things in at their convenience, but when it comes to something they find inconvenient (like being fruitful), suddenly they are biblical literalists.... That kind of hypocrisy does not sit well with God; manipulating the bible to suit our likes and dislikes is diabolical Anyone that either places health above morality, or puts them on equal footing is not interpreting scripture correctly. They have been brain-washed by secular society that tells us that health, appearance and fitness are the goals; not mercy, compkmtyolpion, truth, forgiveness and humility which is what Christ taught us. Whether you smoke or drink (in moderation) says nothing about your moral character. I've heard Christians say vain things on here, like "I can't stand the smell", "It disgusts me", etc It's all vanity If you have severe allergies, or breathing difficulties, then you have a right to stay away from it, to not have it in your home, workplace, etc But stop condemning and trying to control others. Christians shouldn't fear death either. The only grounds you have for condemning smoking is its unhealthy......ummm.....we are all going to die eventually. The lifespan of smokers meets the mortality rate avg in the United States. Do some un-biased research, please God bless I beg to differ. "Your body is the temple of God" In other words, maintain it like you would your house.
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Smoking
Apr 2, 2005 10:37:34 GMT -5
Post by Cohdra on Apr 2, 2005 10:37:34 GMT -5
Bad interpretation on your part; profaning the body "temple of God" is referring to immoral acts, profanity, etc
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
God bless
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Smoking
Apr 2, 2005 10:42:41 GMT -5
Post by babysis on Apr 2, 2005 10:42:41 GMT -5
Actually I was around that age when I started. Once hooked I couldn't figure out why I had a problem stopping. Over the years it got worse till one day I decided I'd had it. Then I quit. Compguy I'm sorry to hear you were that young, but happy to hear you quit!
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Smoking
Apr 3, 2005 21:01:21 GMT -5
Post by RuneOfRed on Apr 3, 2005 21:01:21 GMT -5
Bad interpretation on your part; profaning the body "temple of God" is referring to immoral acts, profanity, etc 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.God bless Look, too many people really close to me have died cuz of that crap, but you know, you got your opinions, i just hope one day we will realize our opinions are nothing but ghosts in a shell of what we want it to be, there is only facts, and i just hope you arent defending smoking because youre scared, because if you do smoke, it is a scary thing to think about...death.
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Post by Cohdra on Apr 4, 2005 0:09:30 GMT -5
Look, too many people really close to me have died cuz of that crap, but you know, you got your opinions, i just hope one day we will realize our opinions are nothing but ghosts in a shell of what we want it to be, there is only facts, and i just hope you arent defending smoking because youre scared, because if you do smoke, it is a scary thing to think about...death. I don't defend it because I'm scared...I'm sick and tired of all the anti-smoking propaganda and mis-information that gets tossed about like fact. I hope you checked out the link in my first post; I am not saying that smoking is a "good" thing, I am saying it is not on an equal footing with morality. There is nothing morally wrong with smoking; If your a Christian, it is not something you should get excited or worried about. We all are going to die.....it's not so important how we die, it's more important that we are right with God when we do die God bless
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Post by compguy on Apr 5, 2005 6:50:02 GMT -5
Ok, on this topic I believe it is a sin as well as many other sins to include even thinking about such things. But that wasn't what I was trying to get at. (I'll cover this aspect another time).
You're correct Cohdra people die from all sorts of things but we don't intentionally drive cars or eat fattening foods knowing that we will certainly die from it. Might as well drink poison right? It's faster.
Putting all the stat's aside and even disregarding what doctors tell us about smoking I personally have witnessed it's effect on people and I know smoking kills.
Compguy
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Smoking
Apr 15, 2005 11:12:26 GMT -5
Post by SonWorshiper on Apr 15, 2005 11:12:26 GMT -5
I don't think having a cigarette now and then is a sin. I do believe allowing it to control you to the point where you become addicted is. And this goes for a lot of things. For example, occasional moderate sunbathing is perfectly acceptable. But being addicted to the sun, and going out all the time is not. It will become very unhealthy. Another example would be read meat. An occasional hamburger or steak is fine. But a constant diet of it is probably not.
Being addicted to cigarettes is very unhealthy, and I do not believe The Lord wants His children to do things that knowingly cause cancer (whether it's smoking or excessive sunbathing, or consuming lots of red meat) and other harmful things.
The sin is not in occasionally lighting up. The sin is doing it to the point of addiction, where the nicotine actually tells you when to smoke, rather then you telling it. When addiction sets in, and when one constantly obeys this addiction, it actually becomes a "lust of the flesh" and The Bible says we should obey the lusts of the flesh.
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