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Post by AuntRonda on Jan 27, 2005 8:56:54 GMT -5
OCALA, Fla. -- Two schoolboys in Florida are under arrest, accused of drawing violent stick figures that showed a cpkmtyollmate getting stabbed.
The 9- and 10-year-old boys from a special education cpkmtyoll in Ocala were hauled away in handcuffs, charged with a felony of threatening another person.
Police said the child depicted in the pencil-and-crayon drawings complained to his teacher, who alerted school authorities who called police.
One drawing shows two children stabbing the boy with knives. Another shows the victim hanging, with tears falling from his eyes, Other pieces of paper contained the victim's name and misspelled profanities.
Current Results of the Poll on whether or not they should be charged.
No, they are children. 10681 42%
No, nobody should face charges for a drawing. 8517 33%
Yes, a felony is appropriate for this type of drawing. 6331 25%
When it says Special Education......I would guess it was a Behavior Cpkmtyoll that these students were in. There are cpkmtyolles for kids with severe behavior problems.
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Post by christian on Mar 18, 2005 9:42:13 GMT -5
What if the bad children had gone on to murder the innocent child? What then? Evil is evil, and must be punished. It always begins as a thought. That child was being threatened with murder, and the teacher and the authorities acted swiftly and responsibly to those threats. By age 9 or 10 a child should know right from wrong. Hopefully they will have learnt their lesson, and won't behave in such a way ever again.
Andy.
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Post by heathen76 on Mar 18, 2005 9:47:55 GMT -5
What if the bad children had gone on to murder the innocent child? What then? Evil is evil, and must be punished. It always begins as a thought. That child was being threatened with murder, and the teacher and the authorities acted swiftly and responsibly to those threats. By age 9 or 10 a child should know right from wrong. Hopefully they will have learnt their lesson, and won't behave in such a way ever again. Andy. These are kids from a "special" education cpkmtyoll, which means that they have learning difficulties. It is unlikely that sticking them in jail is going to have any positive effect. |
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Post by christian on Mar 18, 2005 10:21:22 GMT -5
These are kids from a "special" education cpkmtyoll, which means that they have learning difficulties. It is unlikely that sticking them in jail is going to have any positive effect. And had the innocent child been murdered because the teacher and the authorities hadn't taken action, what would you have said, that "it was meant to be"? How do you think the parents of the child murderers and the murdered child, and the teacher, would have felt? What if those children had gone on to commit further acts of murder as adults, been arrested, and then been put to death? No, better that they learn from their mistakes now. A slap on the wrist is not sufficient. Every child has the right to go to school without having threats of murder being made against him/her. Andy. |
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Post by heathen76 on Mar 18, 2005 13:49:36 GMT -5
And had the innocent child been murdered because the teacher and the authorities hadn't taken action, what would you have said, that "it was meant to be"? How do you think the parents of the child murderers and the murdered child, and the teacher, would have felt? What if those children had gone on to commit further acts of murder as adults, been arrested, and then been put to death? No, better that they learn from their mistakes now. A slap on the wrist is not sufficient. Every child has the right to go to school without having threats of murder being made against him/her. Andy. As usual, you miss the point. Putting them in jail, spanking them, etc. may not let them "lean from their mistakes now". They are in a special education cpkmtyoll. They do not learn like you or I. My mother is a special ed teacher - these kids often have a lot of problems that they need to overcome (if they can) before they could be considered "normal" members of society. |
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Post by christian on Mar 19, 2005 7:14:33 GMT -5
As usual, you miss the point. Putting them in jail, spanking them, etc. may not let them "lean from their mistakes now". They are in a special education cpkmtyoll. They do not learn like you or I. My mother is a special ed teacher - these kids often have a lot of problems that they need to overcome (if they can) before they could be considered "normal" members of society. No, I'm not missing the point. Rather it's you. I went to a special school for children with learning difficulties. I fell out with some of them, but I didn't threaten to kill them. That is criminal behaviour, and I think that you have a serious difficulty with recognizing such behaviour for what it is: evil, threatening, unlawful behaviour. It is in the best interests of the young offenders that they are made to recognize that death threats won't be tolerated by the wider community, and that their intended target is entitled to protection from the authorities. Sometimes you have to instil a little fear in children so that they follow the right moral path in life, the path that is the path of life rather than death. Andy. |
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Post by beth on Mar 19, 2005 9:39:35 GMT -5
How much more stupidity are we going to swallow before we tell these overly eager enforcers of political correctness run amuck in this nation where to stick themselves? I know nobody wants to hear this, but this kind of stuff has been going on since little boys were invented. Heck my hubbie used to draw war scenes when he was these boys age. In cpkmtyoll even, he didn't turn out to be a serial killer like these folks want to flesh out these poor boys as being. The proper way to handle this is to explain to these kids where they are wrong, and why they are in the wrong. Make sure they understand that these pictures are mean and violent. They don't need to be locked up for doing what ever other little boy on the planet does and has done for the enitrety of history.  |
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Post by heathen76 on Mar 19, 2005 12:09:45 GMT -5
How much more stupidity are we going to swallow before we tell these overly eager enforcers of political correctness run amuck in this nation where to stick themselves? I know nobody wants to hear this, but this kind of stuff has been going on since little boys were invented. Heck my hubbie used to draw war scenes when he was these boys age. In cpkmtyoll even, he didn't turn out to be a serial killer like these folks want to flesh out these poor boys as being. The proper way to handle this is to explain to these kids where they are wrong, and why they are in the wrong. Make sure they understand that these pictures are mean and violent. They don't need to be locked up for doing what ever other little boy on the planet does and has done for the enitrety of history. Thank you, beth. This was my next point. Like it or not, drawing pictures like this is pretty normal for little boys. I am in agreement with you - tell them that it is wrong (or at least make them understand that violence is not good) and forget about throwing them in jail. When I was that age, the offenders would have probably been sent to the corner for an hour or so. |
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Post by marysia on Mar 19, 2005 14:10:43 GMT -5
Since I have not seen the pictures I can't really comment on the extent of the "punishment". However, i think making this a felony is absurd. If they were already in an EI cpkmtyoll, then this may be one of the reasons for which they are there. What one needs to look at is their home life, their upbringing. Are they being alowed to watch overtly violent shows, movies, the 6 o'clock news? Are they prone to seeing it in their everyday life where their home is placed? They may have felt it was totally appropriate in regards to getting their feelings out. While i agree it's a possible precussor of what may be to come - it was a drawing. I believe that the children need additional help, but i do not believe a felony arrest was warranted.
Ocala is a fairly quiet town, however it is growing in some areas in ways it shouldn't. IT's still nicknamed - slow-cala.
In regards to this being something that's always happened -- you're absolutely right! I remember the boys in my neighborhood playing cops and robbers and "killing" each other - GI Joe too. Heck when my dad was a kid in the 30's they were playing cowboys and indians and tag. unfortunately, when he put his hand on the "gool" (how would that be spelled??) the "indian" came town with his hatchet at the same time - bye bye finger! no law suits, no arrests - just stupid kids who all learned a lesson the hard way. we often tease my dad he was lucky he didn't get scapled.
IMO these boys do not deserve a felony arrest.
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Post by christian on Mar 20, 2005 10:17:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you folks. What those boys did was far more sinister than playing cowboys and indians. The way they behaved was far from normal. I can accept that putting them in jail isn't necessarily the answer. But this particular incident has to be taken very seriously. What does the word "felony" mean?
Andy.
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Post by babysis on Mar 20, 2005 15:03:18 GMT -5
fel·o·ny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fl-n) n. Law pl. fel·o·nies One of several grave crimes, such as murder, rape, or burglary, punishable by a more stringent sentence than that given for a misdemeanor. Any of several crimes in early English law that were punishable by forfeiture of land or goods and by possible loss of life or a bodily part. Andy, use www.dictionary.com it's a great resource. |
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Post by christian on Mar 23, 2005 11:54:33 GMT -5
Thank you, babysis.
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