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Post by compguy on Jan 25, 2005 20:07:47 GMT -5
Using the time dilation theory could it have happened that when God created earth and the universe that from where he was standing it was one (24hour) day and millions of years had pkmtyolped on earth?
Just a thought.
Compguy
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jan 26, 2005 9:57:21 GMT -5
Using the time dilation theory could it have happened that when God created earth and the universe that from where he was standing it was one (24hour) day and millions of years had pkmtyolped on earth? Just a thought. Compguy I have already posted that some authors speculate that this could very well have happenned, but most people just glossed over it. Lets assume that God created the "Big Bang." In that instant, all matter an energy in the universe would be concentrated in that one point. If that were true, then the gravitational force would be nearly infinite, and time would not be moving at all. As the universe expands, matter and energy become more spread out, more dilute, and so gravitational forces decrease. This means that time speeds up as the universe expands. So in the point of view of earth now, where the universe has expanded so much, time is much, much faster than it was back when God initially sparked the Big Bang. Hence what took a billion years in relative terms to how time pkmtyolpes here on earth could have only taken one day then.
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Post by compguy on Jan 26, 2005 18:51:19 GMT -5
I have already posted that some authors speculate that this could very well have happenned, but most people just glossed over it. Lets assume that God created the "Big Bang." In that instant, all matter an energy in the universe would be concentrated in that one point. If that were true, then the gravitational force would be nearly infinite, and time would not be moving at all. As the universe expands, matter and energy become more spread out, more dilute, and so gravitational forces decrease. This means that time speeds up as the universe expands. So in the point of view of earth now, where the universe has expanded so much, time is much, much faster than it was back when God initially sparked the Big Bang. Hence what took a billion years in relative terms to how time pkmtyolpes here on earth could have only taken one day then. I'd love to get more info about this. Can you tell me where you posted? We need to get off of this thread though as I feel I'm hijacking it. Compguy
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Jan 27, 2005 9:07:50 GMT -5
I'd love to get more info about this. Can you tell me where you posted? We need to get off of this thread though as I feel I'm hijacking it. Compguy Well, the whole theory is explained really well in this book I read called, "The Science of God" by Gerald Scroeder. You might be able to find it in a local library. I would recommend it.
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Post by christian on Mar 7, 2005 9:01:01 GMT -5
Philip,
Can you say beyond all reasonable doubt that time dilation has been proven? You see, I believe that time neither slows down nor speeds up. I believe the same about light.
Andy.
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Post by christian on Mar 7, 2005 9:08:55 GMT -5
As for the "Big Bang", I believe that there is far too much order in the universe for it to have happened. Explosions are usually a messy affair, but I suppose even they follow a pattern. Like "chaos" itself.....
Andy.
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Post by christian on Mar 7, 2005 9:10:20 GMT -5
Come to think of it, is there really such a thing as chance and luck?
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Mar 7, 2005 9:24:28 GMT -5
Come to think of it, is there really such a thing as chance and luck? It really depends on how you look at it and how much involvement you really believe that God takes in the mundane details of the universe. For example, some people believe that God micromanages every single detail in the universe, from where a fly lands, to how the wind blows. Therefore, there is not chance, and no luck, as it is all strictly dictated by God. Of course, this viewpoint plays very well into the free will vs predestination debate, with it favoring the predestination side. Others believer that God knows what will happen, but is not the cause of many of the mundane details. God invokes his will in ways that only He knows, but it is in the "grand scheme of the things" type way, and not in every single minute detail. This is the argument people use against saying that God goes into such detail as causing certain sports teams to win or lose championships, causing you to bowl a higher or lower score, causing a hurricane to hit or miss a certain area, etc. So, like I said, it depends on how involved in the mundane details you believe God to be. Does he allow small things to happen by chance, and is more focused on the bigger details, or does he micromanage every single detail in the entire universe?
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Post by christian on Mar 7, 2005 9:42:35 GMT -5
It really depends on how you look at it and how much involvement you really believe that God takes in the mundane details of the universe. For example, some people believe that God micromanages every single detail in the universe, from where a fly lands, to how the wind blows. Therefore, there is not chance, and no luck, as it is all strictly dictated by God. Of course, this viewpoint plays very well into the free will vs predestination debate, with it favoring the predestination side. Others believer that God knows what will happen, but is not the cause of many of the mundane details. God invokes his will in ways that only He knows, but it is in the "grand scheme of the things" type way, and not in every single minute detail. This is the argument people use against saying that God goes into such detail as causing certain sports teams to win or lose championships, causing you to bowl a higher or lower score, causing a hurricane to hit or miss a certain area, etc. So, like I said, it depends on how involved in the mundane details you believe God to be. Does he allow small things to happen by chance, and is more focused on the bigger details, or does he micromanage every single detail in the entire universe? I believe that because God has given us free-will, He won't violate our decision-making thought processes, but I do believe He occasionally intervenes in our affairs because He loves us and knows what's best for us, and we seldom see the full picture like He does. He guides us in all things, if we let Him. Andy.
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